Week 15: CLE @ NYG... Browns vs. The New York Football Giants... in New Jersey
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There's a misconception around here that the defense was overlooked on purpose, that the front office "couldn't fix everything in one offseason so they concentrated solely on the offense".
Actually, the Browns picked three defensive players directly after Wills in the 2nd and 3rd rounds... Problem is, they've contributed little.
More of a lack of comprehension by some around here.
No one has said "solely" and no one has focused on the draft alone. This FO emphasized the offensive side throughout the off-season in contract extensions, FA and the draft. It was a smart approach then and remains so today because Job 1 was to be sure of what we have in Mayfield. Of course one of those contract extensions went to MG, so again, not solely.
SdB mentioned Delpit availability issue... add Phillps to that list as well appearing on only 7 games to date. So that leaves Elliot who was drafted to be a backup as the primary contributor through 13 games. It's not surprising that their sum total is low to date.
Contrast that with John "The Football Guy" Dorsey's 2019 Defensive draft...
More of a lack of comprehension by some around here.
No one has said "solely" and no one has focused on the draft alone. This FO emphasized the offensive side throughout the off-season in contract extensions, FA and the draft. It was a smart approach then and remains so today because Job 1 was to be sure of what we have in Mayfield. Of course one of those contract extensions went to MG, so again, not solely.
SdB mentioned Delpit availability issue... add Phillps to that list as well appearing on only 7 games to date. So that leaves Elliot who was drafted to be a backup as the primary contributor through 13 games. It's not surprising that their sum total is low to date.
Contrast that with John "The Football Guy" Dorsey's 2019 Defensive draft...
Jesus, you are so laughably predictable.
I'm guessing Pavlov's dog's name was "Tour".
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More of a lack of comprehension by some around here.
No one has said "solely" and no one has focused on the draft alone. This FO emphasized the offensive side throughout the off-season in contract extensions, FA and the draft. It was a smart approach then and remains so today because Job 1 was to be sure of what we have in Mayfield. Of course one of those contract extensions went to MG, so again, not solely.
SdB mentioned Delpit availability issue... add Phillps to that list as well appearing on only 7 games to date. So that leaves Elliot who was drafted to be a backup as the primary contributor through 13 games. It's not surprising that their sum total is low to date.
Contrast that with John "The Football Guy" Dorsey's 2019 Defensive draft...
Jesus, you are so laughably predictable.
I'm guessing Pavlov's dog's name was "Tour".
Jesus, you are so laughably predictable.
I'm guessing Pavlov's dog's name was "Tour".
Better than being laughably wrong...
Arf...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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Wait....
Now we're scared of Colt?
Better than being laughabl-e
Garrett and McCoy share a financial adviser, the Browns defensive end said Friday. And yes, that does factor into Garrett’s motivation heading into Sunday’s contest.
“Me and Colt have the same financial adviser so if he’s under center I’m going to bust his a– and tell our adviser about it,” ? #95
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Final Practice Reports for the week.
As others have mentioned above Sendejo and Teller are Out. Njoku appears as a DNP. Tretter got a day off. Hodge, KJ and Ward looking iffy. Hoop, Ogun and Stewart lok good to go.
And NYG's report...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
No I get it, I do. We got a taste of what we can do in one offseason with the OFFENSE, so my mind drifts toward, "OK...what can we do with the DEFENSE!"
I think we're now in a pickle with Vernon. For a long while it was a given that he's toast, but now...I'm not sure. If Vernon closes out the season strongly, and I expect him to absolutely blow UP tomorrow, that decision is difficult. Other than that, I think Ogunjobi is gone, and virtually every linebacker probably gone except maybe Goodson and possibly Taki.
There's a misconception around here that the defense was overlooked on purpose, that the front office "couldn't fix everything in one offseason so they concentrated solely on the offense".
Actually, the Browns picked three defensive players directly after Wills in the 2nd and 3rd rounds... Problem is, they've contributed little.
There's a misconception around here that the defense was overlooked on purpose, that the front office "couldn't fix everything in one offseason so they concentrated solely on the offense".
Actually, the Browns picked three defensive players directly after Wills in the 2nd and 3rd rounds... Problem is, they've contributed little.
I know injuries happen every team, but that Delpit injury really altered what we wanted to do defensively. The silver lining is the injury directly lead to us getting Harrison, who is without a doubt one of our best players. We wanted to run a triple safety defense with Delpit at the LoS and moving all around.
We deliberately avoided the linebacker position and it has cost us dearly. The really fun thing to think about is what our secondary is going to look like assuming Delpit returns healthy. Unfortunately we can't count on Greedy, and I'm not even sure he's better than Mitchell ANYWAY. We HAVE to re-sign Kevin Johnson as our nickel (he'll command a shitload btw) and then you'd be looking at Denzel Ward, Terrence Mitchell, Ronnie Harrison, and Grant Delpit. It's hypothetically the best secondary in the NFL.
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Final Practice Reports for the week.
As others have mentioned above Sendejo and Teller are Out. Njoku appears as a DNP. Tretter got a day off. Hodge, KJ and Ward looking iffy. Hoop, Ogun and Stewart lok good to go.
And NYG's report...
As others have mentioned above Sendejo and Teller are Out. Njoku appears as a DNP. Tretter got a day off. Hodge, KJ and Ward looking iffy. Hoop, Ogun and Stewart lok good to go.
The KJ injury is absolutely killer. He HAS to play or else it's Tavierre Thomas...and that can't happen.
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Jesus, you are so laughably predictable.
I'm guessing Pavlov's dog's name was "Tour".
Better than being laughably wrong...
Arf...
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Giants media reporter..
Colt McCoy starts Sunday night vs. the Browns. Daniel Jones had too much to overcome. Right hamstring strain not gone. Left ankle sprain added in. Giants doing what had to be done.Bad news. Colt doesn’t do stupid things
Bad news. Colt doesn’t do stupid things
After Dimes beating last week? I thought Dimes was a no go all week... In 1 start & 2 mop up duties, Colt in 2020
Passing Rushing Fumbles Off. Snaps Def. Snaps ST Snaps Rk Date G# Week Age Tm Opp Result GS Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A Att Yds Y/A TD Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD Num Pct Num Pct Num Pct 3 Games 2-1-0 21 35 60.00 154 1 1 68.0 4 17 4.40 3.69 7 9 1.29 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 2020-11-29 11 12 34.085 NYG @ CIN W 19-17 6 10 60.00 31 0 0 65.0 0 0 3.10 3.10 5 7 1.40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 30 37% 0 0% 0 0% 2 2020-12-06 12 13 34.092 NYG @ SEA W 17-12 * 13 22 59.09 105 1 1 67.4 2 5 4.77 3.64 2 2 1.00 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 56 100% 0 0% 0 0% 3 2020-12-13 13 14 34.099 NYG ARI L 7-26 2 3 66.67 18 0 0 82.6 2 12 6.00 6.00 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 5 10% 0 0% 0 0% Covid:: Teams can't even get back into building till Wednesday.. Giants practice was called off one day w/Garrett covid report.. I'm not even sure if NY media was aloud at any practices this week? But, I'm fairly certain Colt got most the starter reps regardless of the NY media reports
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There's a misconception around here that the defense was overlooked on purpose, that the front office "couldn't fix everything in one offseason so they concentrated solely on the offense".
Actually, the Browns picked three defensive players directly after Wills in the 2nd and 3rd rounds... Problem is, they've contributed little.
I know injuries happen every team, but that Delpit injury really altered what we wanted to do defensively. The silver lining is the injury directly lead to us getting Harrison, who is without a doubt one of our best players. We wanted to run a triple safety defense with Delpit at the LoS and moving all around.
We deliberately avoided the linebacker position and it has cost us dearly. The really fun thing to think about is what our secondary is going to look like assuming Delpit returns healthy. Unfortunately we can't count on Greedy, and I'm not even sure he's better than Mitchell ANYWAY. We HAVE to re-sign Kevin Johnson as our nickel (he'll command a shitload btw) and then you'd be looking at Denzel Ward, Terrence Mitchell, Ronnie Harrison, and Grant Delpit. It's hypothetically the best secondary in the NFL.
The silver lining is the injury directly lead to us getting Harrison, who is without a doubt one of our best players.
We HAVE to re-sign Kevin Johnson as our nickel (he'll command a shitload btw) and then you'd be looking at Denzel Ward, Terrence Mitchell, Ronnie Harrison, and Grant Delpit. It's hypothetically the best secondary in the NFL.
That is one helluva hypothetical considering how often Ward and Harrison are not on the field, and the fact that Delpit has all of zero minutes of NFL experience.
The young players on the defensive side of the ball have answered no answers going into the offseason. I can't think of a rookie or second year player on defense that has made Berry's job easier by putting a visegrip on a starting job and claiming it as his.
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Teller is out.
This is the absolute killer. Teller always seems to go out right when we need him. I hope he heals up quickly!
Both teams are obviously bitten by the injury bug, but what most don't realize is how bad the Sendejo injury hurts us. I know he hasn't been good this year, I get it, but just wait until you get a load of Shedrick Redwine. Good grief is he bad. Redwine will make a few plays that get you thinking he's pretty good, and then he'll go straight ass clown and you'll be wishing for Sendejo. Remember when Mike Glennon threw it deep on us? Colt McCoy WILL hit several deep TDs on us, too. No team can prevent TDs with their 5th and 6th string safeties. There WILL be people open.
Hubbard played well in Teller's previous absence, but he's nowhere NEAR the run blocker Teller is. The GOOD news is that Hubbs is a better pass blocker than Teller, and Teller was beaten multiple times in the past several games, so it's possible we're getting an upgrade.
Just so everyone knows, Jabrill Peppers is going to have the game of his life tomorrow night. Doesn't it just seem like it's ordained? Lol! He's gonna cause a fumble, have a pick 6, and lord knows what else. I just see it. ?
This is the absolute killer. Teller always seems to go out right when we need him. I hope he heals up quickly!
Both teams are obviously bitten by the injury bug, but what most don't realize is how bad the Sendejo injury hurts us. I know he hasn't been good this year, I get it, but just wait until you get a load of Shedrick Redwine. Good grief is he bad. Redwine will make a few plays that get you thinking he's pretty good, and then he'll go straight ass clown and you'll be wishing for Sendejo. Remember when Mike Glennon threw it deep on us? Colt McCoy WILL hit several deep TDs on us, too. No team can prevent TDs with their 5th and 6th string safeties. There WILL be people open.
Hubbard played well in Teller's previous absence, but he's nowhere NEAR the run blocker Teller is. The GOOD news is that Hubbs is a better pass blocker than Teller, and Teller was beaten multiple times in the past several games, so it's possible we're getting an upgrade.
Just so everyone knows, Jabrill Peppers is going to have the game of his life tomorrow night. Doesn't it just seem like it's ordained? Lol! He's gonna cause a fumble, have a pick 6, and lord knows what else. I just see it. ?
Boy- you get the Negative Nancy Award of the week....
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Wait....
Now we're scared of Colt?
There's a reason he's been a career backup. 60% completions, about a 1:1 TD\Int ratio, and 78 QBR. Those woe is us guys- we're going to get beat by another backup QB.
How about Baker passes for 300+ yards and 3 TDs against a depleted Giants secondary, Chubb and Hunt combine for 200+ yards rushing instead? Show a little optimism for a change...
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The silver lining is the injury directly lead to us getting Harrison, who is without a doubt one of our best players.
We HAVE to re-sign Kevin Johnson as our nickel (he'll command a shitload btw) and then you'd be looking at Denzel Ward, Terrence Mitchell, Ronnie Harrison, and Grant Delpit. It's hypothetically the best secondary in the NFL.
That is one helluva hypothetical considering how often Ward and Harrison are not on the field, and the fact that Delpit has all of zero minutes of NFL experience.
The young players on the defensive side of the ball have answered no answers going into the offseason. I can't think of a rookie or second year player on defense that has made Berry's job easier by putting a visegrip on a starting job and claiming it as his.
That is one helluva hypothetical considering how often Ward and Harrison are not on the field, and the fact that Delpit has all of zero minutes of NFL experience.
Big time hypothetical! But maybe not as much as you think. Kevin Johnson is one of the best slot corners in the league. If you don't believe me, you can verify for yourself. He's going to demand a hefty payday, as nickel corners are kind of a niche market and useful as hell. KJ is so good you almost don't know he's out there. People don't throw at him hardly and he's one of the best at his position. Ronnie Harrison was rated in the top 5 last time I saw him at PFF (pretty sure) and Ward is a top corner. That's pretty robust!
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Good ole Colt McCoy. Read this below, I agree with it - if the Giants can't run well, they are toast. Although, our pass defense may help Colt on a good day - the ratbirds couldn't stop our offense - their defense won't stop it either. My guess is, the Browns get sacks and turnovers,
Without Bradberry - their secondary is in a worse? shape than the Browns, maybe. I predict the Browns win the turnover battle, Baker and the offense have a great day, and we're going to be 10-4.
https://nypost.com/2020/12/19/colt-mccoy-starting-over-daniel-jones-in-must-win-giants-game/
"With Garrett, the Giants have averaged just 18.3 points a game — only the Jets (14.1) are worse — so Kitchens does not have a high bar to vault. The challenge is tailoring the offense to what McCoy does well, which is getting the ball out of his hands quickly. The main reason he was able to pull off the upset against the Seahawks is because the Giants ran for a season-high 190 yards, led by Wayne Gallman with a career-high 135 yards. The Browns are middle-of-the-pack (16th in the league) in run defense, allowing 114.1 yards per game. If the Giants cannot run it often and well, it is highly unlikely McCoy can pass them into much success. "
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But...but...but.... JOHN DORSEY! ?
Well... your boy is getting a foothold in Philly. https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/12/19/22190472/john-dorsey-eagles-nfl-news-philadelphia-general-manager-howie-roseman-chiefs-browns-draft-record-gm
I may keep replying (and always will), but you are the one always blowing the fucking whistle... so there's that.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
there goes the giants offensive assistant https://www.nfl.com/news/giants-assistant-coach-stephen-brown-tests-positive-for-covid-19 no news yet on tracer contacts
there goes the giants offensive assistant https://www.nfl.com/news/giants-assistant-coach-stephen-brown-tests-positive-for-covid-19 no news yet on tracer contacts
the all clear..
The Giants found no “close contacts” with offensive assistant Stephen Brown, who tested positive for COVID-19, after doing their contact tracing. So all remaining coaches and players are cleared to go against the Browns on Sunday night, barring any further positive tests. (1 more test result Sunday)6:23 PM · Dec 19, 2020
Ralph Vacchiano@RalphVacchianoThe Giants found no “close contacts” with offensive assistant Stephen Brown, who tested positive for COVID-19, after doing their contact tracing.
So all remaining coaches and players are cleared to go against the Browns on Sunday night, barring any further positive tests. -
But...but...but.... JOHN DORSEY! ?
Well... your boy is getting a foothold in Philly. https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/12/19/22190472/john-dorsey-eagles-nfl-news-philadelphia-general-manager-howie-roseman-chiefs-browns-draft-record-gm
I may keep replying (and always will), but you are the one always blowing the fucking whistle... so there's that.
Well... your boy is getting a foothold in Philly. https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2020/12/19/22190472/john-dorsey-eagles-nfl-news-philadelphia-general-manager-howie-roseman-chiefs-browns-draft-record-gm
I may kept replying (and always will), but you are the one always blowing the fucking whistle... so there's that.
Oh stop.
Recently someone complained about the defense and you almost had a coronary defending Berry... "YOU CAN'T FUCKING FIX EVERYTHING IN ONE GODDAMN OFFSEASON!" ? Yeah, I guess I blew THAT whistle too.
You went "full Gipper responding to someone saying the Ravens are the old Browns".
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Giants make several final roster moves Saturday... https://www.giants.com/news/roster-moves-giants-add-two-quarterbacks-three-db-s-to-active-roster
Giants also lose 3rd coaching staff member, since 2 went down to Covid-reserve this week.. https://nypost.com/2020/12/19/giants-lose-bret-bielema-to-illinois/
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