Objective Look @ The Browns
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Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fantatical to see the big picture:
The Browns are a 6 to 8 win team depending on injuries/breaks etc. and that is with a relatively soft out of division schedule.
The QB situation is obviously a hot topic, but all you need to know is that the long list of GMs who passed on Brady Quinn and the two coaching staffs who have coached him are a lot smarter in all things football than you are. Outside of Cleveland, what I have heard is bits and pieces like "Brady Quinn involved in gay-bar-altercation, denies involvement... Brady Quinn punched in the weigh-room by teammate, denies wrongdoing" etc. Again, I don't follow every practice and blog, just trying to show you a different perspective and that is that BQ is a dink and dunk quarterback who is not a great leader and has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor (1st round pick, bad team so no reason not to start him etc).
Derek Anderson obviously has an NFL arm, lousy mobility, and can throw 5 touchdowns one game and 4 INTs the next (I was surprised to see his INT % below 3% to be honest). As an NFL fan, I much prefer to see him play because his cannon arm is must-see tv entertainment-wise whether he is on or off, but he will never be a good or upper tier quarterback without a good running game and improved defense (not playing from behind all the time).
The O-Line is average compared to other NFL teams and the running game is too.
Mangini to replace Romeo was interesting as they both fell off of the same coaching tree. Again, average compared to the NFL at large.
The D is the biggest problem as it seems the Browns are consistantly ranked in the bottom third of the league which will not do in trying to compete with the Ravens and Steelers (and the Bengals are no longer awful on defense)
I appreciate the passion you all have, but you need to know that realistically this is a bad team and whoever ends up quarterbacking is going to look bad until the running game and D improve. And Braylon Edwards can be a good and bad game-changer as you are all aware. Young quarterbacks need time and Anderson has better NFL tools, but whoever wins the job is in for a long season.
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
nineteen
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* Week 1 - Browns vs. Vikings Loss
* Week 2 - Browns @ Broncos Win
* Week 3 - Browns @ Ravens Loss
* Week 4 - Browns vs. Bengals Win
* Week 5 - Browns @ Bills Win
* Week 6 - Browns @ Steelers Loss
* Week 7 - Browns vs. Packers Loss
* Week 8 - Browns @ Bears Loss
* Week 9 - BYE
* Week 10 - Browns vs. Ravens Win
* Week 11 - Browns @ Lions Win
* Week 12 - Browns @ Bengals Win
* Week 13 - Browns vs. Chargers Loss
* Week 14 - Browns vs. Steelers Loss
* Week 15 - Browns @ Chiefs Win
* Week 16 - Browns vs. Raiders Win
* Week 17 - Browns vs. Jaguars Win
Without response to what you think of the Browns That is how I see the season going. 9 wins 7 losses Home Record 4 Wins 4 losses Road Record 5 Wins 3 losses. Miss the playoffs.
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I agree with all of the points in the OP except for BQ being a dink and dunk QB with no leadership qualities, because he has proven that to not be true. Yes, I am agreeing that BQ has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor, that our defense is a huge problem (though we have seen improvements with Rob Ryan), and that realistically.... this is still a bad team with a lot of issues. Our conference kills us, and we need a hardcore defense to match Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
Honestly I would be more than happy with 8 wins.... I am expecting 6-7, and desperately want to beat Big Gay Ben and the Steelers.
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I think "6 to 8" wins is being generous.
I see 4 wins. We should beat the Lions, Broncs, Raiders, and Bengals once. BUT!, we'll lose one of those games that we're "not supposed to" lose, which will be offset by winning one game that we're "not supposed to" win.
You're right about our QBs. There's nothing special to see here...move along...The off the field stuff is rather negligible. It's not like Quinn is some kind of drunken 'roid rager.
I think you're off about the running game and the D. the D will be somewhat improved, perhaps moving to the middle of the pack, while Jamal "One Yard Loss and a Cloud of Dust" Lewis will make the running game below average.
OLine...average, on it's best day.
The depth at WR should be the biggest improvement, but with no one to throw to them...who knows...
-Al
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- 6-7 wins may be likely, but it's preseason, we're fans, and you can't be surprised we dream a little and add a win or two more to the total.
- During the recent draft, teams were calling about Quinn, not DA
- We want to see a first round draft choice take the place of a 32nd ranked QB of a 4-12 team.
- Agree with most of what you've said, but as Lums recently pointed out, the Browns were picked dead last before the 10-6 season. There's always a team or two who breaks through and surprises. We're just hoping it's us. But, from the outside, it's easy to pick against us sitting in the AFC North.
All good.
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I'll be bookmarking this thread and I'll come check back in a few months....
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Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fantatical to see the big picture:
The Browns are a 6 to 8 win team depending on injuries/breaks etc. and that is with a relatively soft out of division schedule.
The QB situation is obviously a hot topic, but all you need to know is that the long list of GMs who passed on Brady Quinn and the two coaching staffs who have coached him are a lot smarter in all things football than you are. Outside of Cleveland, what I have heard is bits and pieces like "Brady Quinn involved in gay-bar-altercation, denies involvement... Brady Quinn punched in the weigh-room by teammate, denies wrongdoing" etc. Again, I don't follow every practice and blog, just trying to show you a different perspective and that is that BQ is a dink and dunk quarterback who is not a great leader and has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor (1st round pick, bad team so no reason not to start him etc).
Derek Anderson obviously has an NFL arm, lousy mobility, and can throw 5 touchdowns one game and 4 INTs the next (I was surprised to see his INT % below 3% to be honest). As an NFL fan, I much prefer to see him play because his cannon arm is must-see tv entertainment-wise whether he is on or off, but he will never be a good or upper tier quarterback without a good running game and improved defense (not playing from behind all the time).
The O-Line is average compared to other NFL teams and the running game is too.
Mangini to replace Romeo was interesting as they both fell off of the same coaching tree. Again, average compared to the NFL at large.
The D is the biggest problem as it seems the Browns are consistantly ranked in the bottom third of the league which will not do in trying to compete with the Ravens and Steelers (and the Bengals are no longer awful on defense)
I appreciate the passion you all have, but you need to know that realistically this is a bad team and whoever ends up quarterbacking is going to look bad until the running game and D improve. And Braylon Edwards can be a good and bad game-changer as you are all aware. Young quarterbacks need time and Anderson has better NFL tools, but whoever wins the job is in for a long season.
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
The Browns are a 6 to 8 win team depending on injuries/breaks etc. and that is with a relatively soft out of division schedule.
I see between 5-9 wins, so hard to disagree.
just trying to show you a different perspective and that is that BQ is a dink and dunk quarterback who is not a great leader and has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor (1st round pick, bad team so no reason not to start him etc).
Dink and dunk, no leadership? Based on what? Also, what full advantages? His competetitor who won the QB contest fell flat on his face, and when Brady had 2 days to prepare he put up 30 points and then got hurt. So really you don't know much from on outside perspective. His head coach picked the wrong guy.
but he will never be a good or upper tier quarterback without a good running game and improved defense (not playing from behind all the time).
Well no shit sherlock- take a look around the league and that applies to 31 other teams. Hello? This isn't rocket science. Flacco excelled and Ben R excelled in this division with this VERY FORMULA. It has nothing to do with DA or BQ needing that - every QB in this division needs that. Our team should be much more worried about stopping the run and running the ball than who suits up under center.
The O-Line is average compared to other NFL teams and the running game is too.
Our OL is average? Well compared to who? We have a pretty good OL, and yes I would say above avg.
The D is the biggest problem as it seems the Browns are consistantly ranked in the bottom third of the league which will not do in trying to compete with the Ravens and Steelers (and the Bengals are no longer awful on defense)
We'll agree on this. It is not in the same league as those two, and theykeep getting richer and richer.
this is a bad team and whoever ends up quarterbacking is going to look bad until the running game and D improve.
No this is not a bad team, it was a badly coached team. Ya'll said the same thning in 2007. But yes to the second part, we need to play better D and run the ball for either of these two guys to have a chance. But so does Kerry Collins, Eli Manning, McNabb, Flacco and on down the line (except maybe Manning, Brady, Brees, Warner and Ben).
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Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fantatical to see the big picture:
The Browns are a 6 to 8 win team depending on injuries/breaks etc. and that is with a relatively soft out of division schedule.
The QB situation is obviously a hot topic, but all you need to know is that the long list of GMs who passed on Brady Quinn and the two coaching staffs who have coached him are a lot smarter in all things football than you are. Outside of Cleveland, what I have heard is bits and pieces like "Brady Quinn involved in gay-bar-altercation, denies involvement... Brady Quinn punched in the weigh-room by teammate, denies wrongdoing" etc. Again, I don't follow every practice and blog, just trying to show you a different perspective and that is that BQ is a dink and dunk quarterback who is not a great leader and has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor (1st round pick, bad team so no reason not to start him etc).
Derek Anderson obviously has an NFL arm, lousy mobility, and can throw 5 touchdowns one game and 4 INTs the next (I was surprised to see his INT % below 3% to be honest). As an NFL fan, I much prefer to see him play because his cannon arm is must-see tv entertainment-wise whether he is on or off, but he will never be a good or upper tier quarterback without a good running game and improved defense (not playing from behind all the time).
The O-Line is average compared to other NFL teams and the running game is too.
Mangini to replace Romeo was interesting as they both fell off of the same coaching tree. Again, average compared to the NFL at large.
The D is the biggest problem as it seems the Browns are consistantly ranked in the bottom third of the league which will not do in trying to compete with the Ravens and Steelers (and the Bengals are no longer awful on defense)
I appreciate the passion you all have, but you need to know that realistically this is a bad team and whoever ends up quarterbacking is going to look bad until the running game and D improve. And Braylon Edwards can be a good and bad game-changer as you are all aware. Young quarterbacks need time and Anderson has better NFL tools, but whoever wins the job is in for a long season.
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fanatical to see the big picture:
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
Good post. A lot of us Browns fans have a hard time being unbiased, and rational about our Browns. I am not one of them however. I don't like either QB, I think our o-line is highly over-rated and our defense lacks talent at all 3 levels. Our special teams are among the best in the league.
2009 record? 6-10
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The Browns have a good OL? I would like some of the dope you are smoking, probably Southern Mexican variety, the good brown stuff............
The Browns OL sucks at guard and is weak at RT. Bleh.
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Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fanatical to see the big picture:
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
Good post. A lot of us Browns fans have a hard time being unbiased, and rational about our Browns. I am not one of them however. I don't like either QB, I think our o-line is highly over-rated and our defense lacks talent at all 3 levels. Our special teams are among the best in the league.
2009 record? 6-10
Good post. A lot of us Browns fans have a hard time being unbiased, and rational about our Browns. I am not one of them however. I don't like either QB, I think our o-line is highly over-rated and our defense lacks talent at all 3 levels. Our special teams are among the best in the league.
2009 record? 6-10
So true. It will take Mangini 5 years to get us to where we want ideally. But I suspect a "shocking" deep playoff run year 2 or 3 as the core gets in place.
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The Browns have a good OL? I would like some of the dope you are smoking, probably Southern Mexican variety, the good brown stuff............
The Browns OL sucks at guard and is weak at RT. Bleh.
The Browns have a good OL? I would like some of the dope you are smoking, probably Southern Mexican variety, the good brown stuff............
The Browns OL sucks at guard and is weak at RT. Bleh.
That is an assumption because they are still in preseason. Come November, maybe you can say that, but then again, we'll see. Steinbach is a solid guard and so is Womack, Hadnot and even Tucker. There is a problem at RT but St. Clair has been a starting tackle in this league, so pissing on him before the season starts shows that again you speak without thinking..............................which you seem to do alot.
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Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fantatical to see the big picture:
The Browns are a 6 to 8 win team depending on injuries/breaks etc. and that is with a relatively soft out of division schedule.
The QB situation is obviously a hot topic, but all you need to know is that the long list of GMs who passed on Brady Quinn and the two coaching staffs who have coached him are a lot smarter in all things football than you are. Outside of Cleveland, what I have heard is bits and pieces like "Brady Quinn involved in gay-bar-altercation, denies involvement... Brady Quinn punched in the weigh-room by teammate, denies wrongdoing" etc. Again, I don't follow every practice and blog, just trying to show you a different perspective and that is that BQ is a dink and dunk quarterback who is not a great leader and has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor (1st round pick, bad team so no reason not to start him etc).
Derek Anderson obviously has an NFL arm, lousy mobility, and can throw 5 touchdowns one game and 4 INTs the next (I was surprised to see his INT % below 3% to be honest). As an NFL fan, I much prefer to see him play because his cannon arm is must-see tv entertainment-wise whether he is on or off, but he will never be a good or upper tier quarterback without a good running game and improved defense (not playing from behind all the time).
The O-Line is average compared to other NFL teams and the running game is too.
Mangini to replace Romeo was interesting as they both fell off of the same coaching tree. Again, average compared to the NFL at large.
The D is the biggest problem as it seems the Browns are consistantly ranked in the bottom third of the league which will not do in trying to compete with the Ravens and Steelers (and the Bengals are no longer awful on defense)
I appreciate the passion you all have, but you need to know that realistically this is a bad team and whoever ends up quarterbacking is going to look bad until the running game and D improve. And Braylon Edwards can be a good and bad game-changer as you are all aware. Young quarterbacks need time and Anderson has better NFL tools, but whoever wins the job is in for a long season.
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fantatical to see the big picture
Whoa...great start to your post. How could we NOT take your "analysis" seriously after you come in here immediately throwing barbs?
You seem like a dick.
PS Which piece-of-shit team are you a fan of?
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Some of the posters on this board amaze me....
How do the Browns finish second in the league in INT's in 2008 (while having no pass rushing) and have no talent in the secondary?
I don't think the Browns are a Super Bowl team by any stretch, but to believe they are a 4-win team is laughable. Last years' out of sync and injury depleted squad won four games.
Given the schedule, if the Browns are healthy, you should expect more than last season.
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The Browns have a good OL? I would like some of the dope you are smoking, probably Southern Mexican variety, the good brown stuff............
The Browns OL sucks at guard and is weak at RT. Bleh.
probably Southern Mexican variety, the good brown stuff............
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??Brown, like after you smoke it?
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Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fantatical to see the big picture:
The Browns are a 6 to 8 win team depending on injuries/breaks etc. and that is with a relatively soft out of division schedule.
The QB situation is obviously a hot topic, but all you need to know is that the long list of GMs who passed on Brady Quinn and the two coaching staffs who have coached him are a lot smarter in all things football than you are. Outside of Cleveland, what I have heard is bits and pieces like "Brady Quinn involved in gay-bar-altercation, denies involvement... Brady Quinn punched in the weigh-room by teammate, denies wrongdoing" etc. Again, I don't follow every practice and blog, just trying to show you a different perspective and that is that BQ is a dink and dunk quarterback who is not a great leader and has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor (1st round pick, bad team so no reason not to start him etc).
Derek Anderson obviously has an NFL arm, lousy mobility, and can throw 5 touchdowns one game and 4 INTs the next (I was surprised to see his INT % below 3% to be honest). As an NFL fan, I much prefer to see him play because his cannon arm is must-see tv entertainment-wise whether he is on or off, but he will never be a good or upper tier quarterback without a good running game and improved defense (not playing from behind all the time).
The O-Line is average compared to other NFL teams and the running game is too.
Mangini to replace Romeo was interesting as they both fell off of the same coaching tree. Again, average compared to the NFL at large.
The D is the biggest problem as it seems the Browns are consistantly ranked in the bottom third of the league which will not do in trying to compete with the Ravens and Steelers (and the Bengals are no longer awful on defense)
I appreciate the passion you all have, but you need to know that realistically this is a bad team and whoever ends up quarterbacking is going to look bad until the running game and D improve. And Braylon Edwards can be a good and bad game-changer as you are all aware. Young quarterbacks need time and Anderson has better NFL tools, but whoever wins the job is in for a long season.
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
Just thought it would be good for you guys to get an outsider's view on the Browns because you all seem in your own little C-Town world and too fantatical to see the big picture:
The Browns are a 6 to 8 win team depending on injuries/breaks etc. and that is with a relatively soft out of division schedule. I would say anywhere from 6 to 9 wins, most likely 7 or 8
The QB situation is obviously a hot topic, but all you need to know is that the long list of GMs who passed on Brady Quinn and the two coaching staffs who have coached him are a lot smarter in all things football than you are. Outside of Cleveland, what I have heard is bits and pieces like "Brady Quinn involved in gay-bar-altercation, denies involvement... Brady Quinn punched in the weigh-room by teammate, denies wrongdoing" etc. Again, I don't follow every practice and blog, just trying to show you a different perspective and that is that BQ is a dink and dunk quarterback who is not a great leader and has not distinguished himself with all advantages in his favor (1st round pick, bad team so no reason not to start him etc). Quinn is not a bomber...but I don't see dink and dunk either. Control QB is what I would term him. As for leadership, that is something the guy has in spades.
Derek Anderson obviously has an NFL arm, lousy mobility, and can throw 5 touchdowns one game and 4 INTs the next (I was surprised to see his INT % below 3% to be honest). As an NFL fan, I much prefer to see him play because his cannon arm is must-see tv entertainment-wise whether he is on or off, but he will never be a good or upper tier quarterback without a good running game and improved defense (not playing from behind all the time). Funny thing about your 'not playing from behind' comment...we well documented that MOST of those cases were caused by DA's turnovers. He had more 1st half turnovers than any QB in the league...so much for blaming the run game...he is what killed our run game last year. Now...if he reduces those turnovers...yeah, I like his arm.
The O-Line is average compared to other NFL teams and the running game is too. Average RUN OL, but excellent pass OL
Mangini to replace Romeo was interesting as they both fell off of the same coaching tree. Again, average compared to the NFL at large.
The D is the biggest problem as it seems the Browns are consistantly ranked in the bottom third of the league which will not do in trying to compete with the Ravens and Steelers (and the Bengals are no longer awful on defense)hopefully we actually have DL this year...so it may change a little.
I appreciate the passion you all have, but you need to know that realistically this is a bad team and whoever ends up quarterbacking is going to look bad until the running game and D improve. And Braylon Edwards can be a good and bad game-changer as you are all aware. Young quarterbacks need time and Anderson has better NFL tools, but whoever wins the job is in for a long season.
Which leads me to my question: how many wins are you realistically expecting this season?
Just wait and see...competition is lesser this year...and the Browns actually addressed some needs. Should be interesting.
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The Browns have a good OL? I would like some of the dope you are smoking, probably Southern Mexican variety, the good brown stuff............
The Browns OL sucks at guard and is weak at RT. Bleh.
That is an assumption because they are still in preseason. Come November, maybe you can say that, but then again, we'll see. Steinbach is a solid guard and so is Womack, Hadnot and even Tucker. There is a problem at RT but St. Clair has been a starting tackle in this league, so pissing on him before the season starts shows that again you speak without thinking..............................which you seem to do alot.
That is an assumption because they are still in preseason. Come November, maybe you can say that, but then again, we'll see. Steinbach is a solid guard and so is Womack, Hadnot and even Tucker. There is a problem at RT but St. Clair has been a starting tackle in this league, so pissing on him before the season starts shows that again you speak without thinking..............................which you seem to do alot.
Mercy................you! Steinbach is a solid guard? Uh, yeah right. He was adequete in the more finesse system we had the last 2 years, but the guy is a sore thumb and getting old fast. Womack is fat and sucks. Always has always will. That pickup was just to get a body in here.
Listen Ytown, we can live in fantasy, but this is rediculous. Just admit the line will be at best average and likely below average.
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OBJECTIVE LOOK AT THE BROWNS??? On BROWNSBOARD????
(I can hear the chant, Ban him, ban him, ban him, ban him.)
(Ready? all the cool kids, let's let him have it) You Idiot! Jerk! YOU DON'T KNOW FOOTBALL!!!@!!!
You take your "objective look" at post elsewhere young man. We base success on positive articles prior to the season and claiming the Steelers cheat.
SO THERE!
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OBJECTIVE LOOK AT THE BROWNS??? On BROWNSBOARD????
(I can hear the chant, Ban him, ban him, ban him, ban him.)
(Ready? all the cool kids, let's let him have it) You Idiot! Jerk! YOU DON'T KNOW FOOTBALL!!!@!!!
You take your "objective look" at post elsewhere young man. We base success on positive articles prior to the season and claiming the Steelers cheat.
SO THERE!
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Haha RIP I stand by my previous comments about your continued hatred for all things Browns. Everything about this team sucks.
And Soldier, optimism? This Board is full of pure pessimism. There are a few of us that always try to look on the bright side because we're diehards. But were you even around after the Packers game? Or the entire offseason?
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Hey - I'm optimistic.
We play yinz twice, it don't get any better than that.
Regards
..... an'at
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