STEELER WEEK..... v2.0 ..... and this one is in 2021!
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But at what cost....
I get what you're saying.
However, I do believe Tomlin was coaching when the Colts rested their regulars in week 17, and the Steelers came in to Indy and beat the Colts in a playoff game. The game where Big Ben somehow tackled the Colts' safety, who was going to score on a fumble return, but the safety got stabbed by his girlfriend the night before and he had no speed
Sorry for the tangent. Damn, the Steelers have been good, and very lucky for a long, long time.
I get what you're saying.
However, I do believe Tomlin was coaching when the Colts rested their regulars in week 17, and the Steelers came in to Indy and beat the Colts in a playoff game. The game where Big Ben somehow tackled the Colts' safety, who was going to score on a fumble return, but the safety got stabbed by his girlfriend the night before and he had no speed
Sorry for the tangent. Damn, the Steelers have been good, and very lucky for a long, long time.
How much does history of resting and not resting vs. current circumstances come into play? We will find out here.
I hate to say this but they have earned some of this luck getting the three most important positions filled with HOF type players- Ownership, QB and HC. And then they have a defensive scheme for decades that they just plug in their guys that fit certain desired skill sets. Most of the guys over the years weren’t even blue chip draft prospects. Although I do see more first round talent on the defense. -
Cleveland opening up as 7 point favorite = Tomlin sitting his key players. Vegas doesn't play when it comes to $$. Ink that!
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I am talking historically.....like the past 25 years. While the Bengals had a few decent years.....for the most part this has been a two team division in terms of competitiveness. Fair to say?
Yeah the Steelers and the Ravens. The 0-16, 1-15 Browns were penciled in as a W. Maybe the current players heard from their dad or grandpa about the big rivalry with the Browns. Outside of the Kosar years, it's been lopsided. Roethlisberger has more wins in First Energy than any Cleveland qb since 1999.
Yeah the Steelers and the Ravens. The 0-16, 1-15 Browns were penciled in as a W. Maybe the current players heard from their dad or grandpa about the big rivalry with the Browns. Outside of the Kosar years, it's been lopsided. Roethlisberger has more wins in First Energy than any Cleveland qb since 1999.
Actually, Baker has overtaken that.
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Steelers haven't been able to run the ball for weeks.
He's rested players.
Case in point was 2017 when in Week 16 Ben and Bell played vs. HOU, but both sat Week 17 vs. their bitter, bitter rivals, The Cleveland Browns.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712250htx.htm ...................... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712310pit.htm
lmao at how many times can one man can be wrong.
Thank you for looking that up...
I think there is still remnants of the rivalry. I think Ben certainly enjoys beating us. I think they (Tomlin, Front Office) prefer us being down and making a playoff spot doesn’t fall in line with that...but I think they actually want to play us more this year than say the Ravens.I think they are worried too if Mason starts there is jawing, maybe suspension type altercations and you can’t have that the week before the playoffs. In that case, I’d probably play Hobbs instead of Mason.
Thank you for looking that up...
I think there is still remnants of the rivalry. I think Ben certainly enjoys beating us. I think they (Tomlin, Front Office) prefer us being down and making a playoff spot doesn’t fall in line with that...but I think they actually want to play us more this year than say the Ravens.I think they are worried too if Mason starts there is jawing, maybe suspension type altercations and you can’t have that the week before the playoffs. In that case, I’d probably play Hobbs instead of Mason.
For the umpteenth time.....the #2 seed may be on the line for the Steelers...as opposed to the #3 seed. Which would mean the difference of possibly having a game against Buffalo at home instead of having to travel to Buffalo for the second round game.......assuming they both get past their first game. Sitting their main players would be counterproductive to that end.
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Cleveland opening up as 7 point favorite = Tomlin sitting his key players. Vegas doesn't play when it comes to $$. Ink that!
Cleveland opening up as 7 point favorite = Tomlin sitting his key players. Vegas doesn't play when it comes to $$. Ink that!
You are wrong. Cleveland is a 7 point favorite because they are seen as the better team at this point (at full strength)....and they are playing at home. Home usually means 3 pts. on the spread....though I wonder about this year.
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Cleveland opening up as 7 point favorite = Tomlin sitting his key players. Vegas doesn't play when it comes to $$. Ink that!
You are wrong. Cleveland is a 7 point favorite because they are seen as the better team at this point (at full strength)....and they are playing at home. Home usually means 3 pts. on the spread....though I wonder about this year.
You are wrong. Cleveland is a 7 point favorite because they are seen as the better team at this point (at full strength)....and they are playing at home. Home usually means 3 pts. on the spread....though I wonder about this year.
Lol. No no.
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Thank you for looking that up...
I think there is still remnants of the rivalry. I think Ben certainly enjoys beating us. I think they (Tomlin, Front Office) prefer us being down and making a playoff spot doesn’t fall in line with that...but I think they actually want to play us more this year than say the Ravens.I think they are worried too if Mason starts there is jawing, maybe suspension type altercations and you can’t have that the week before the playoffs. In that case, I’d probably play Hobbs instead of Mason.
For the umpteenth time.....the #2 seed may be on the line for the Steelers...as opposed to the #3 seed. Which would mean the difference of possibly having a game against Buffalo at home instead of having to travel to Buffalo for the second round game.......assuming they both get past their first game. Sitting their main players would be counterproductive to that end.
For the umpteenth time.....the #2 seed may be on the line for the Steelers...as opposed to the #3 seed. Which would mean the difference of possibly having a game against Buffalo at home instead of having to travel to Buffalo for the second round game.......assuming they both get past their first game. Sitting their main players would be counterproductive to that end.
Understood.
Does the 2 seed get a bye?
Will the 2 seed Buffalo Bills being playing in front a loud crowd making Steeler calls difficult?
But There is no right or wrong answer to sit or not sit obviously if TJ Watt pulls a hammy next week or Ben breaks a collar bone. Steeler fans will say it was the wrong answer
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I think a lot of you have the wrong idea with Mike Tomlin. I don't think he gives a single shit about "keeping the Browns down". The man is focused on his team and only his team. I frankly expect a lot of starters to sit seeing as we really didn't get a bye week. A week 4 bye doesn't do a fucking thing and the team is on the record saying they are mentally exhausted because of moving stuff around with covid. Tj is one sack away from Harrison sack record but I don't think he or tomlin give a damn. I have no idea what to expect.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
A quick perusal of the stats Tour. The Steelers had 20 count 'em 20 rushing yards against the Colts. We may not be able to beat them- but with that pathetic running game the Steelers are one and done in the playoffs...
A quick perusal of the stats Tour. The Steelers had 20 count 'em 20 rushing yards against the Colts. We may not be able to beat them- but with that pathetic running game the Steelers are one and done in the playoffs...
We looked awful in the first half and woke up in the second. The issues with the run game are two fold. Randy and his calls and a banged up on-line. We didn't have many rushing carries either. Dotson is in and healthy and he's what we've needed so we shall see if the ground game struggles continue. However with Ben throwing the ball down field and our arsenal at wr it opened up the run game. Sooooo much of our run game problem outside of what I already mentioned is teams haven't been afraid of the pass because randy has been calling dink and dunks. All of which worked early until teams started scheming for it. The second half yesterday was throwing the ball down field and Ben lit them up. No idea what team is showing up next week or in the playoffs but if it's the team in the second half against the Colts I'm feeling much better about things moving forward.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
A quick perusal of the stats Tour. The Steelers had 20 count 'em 20 rushing yards against the Colts. We may not be able to beat them- but with that pathetic running game the Steelers are one and done in the playoffs...
We looked awful in the first half and woke up in the second. The issues with the run game are two fold. Randy and his calls and a banged up on-line. We didn't have many rushing carries either. Dotson is in and healthy and he's what we've needed so we shall see if the ground game struggles continue. However with Ben throwing the ball down field and our arsenal at wr it opened up the run game. Sooooo much of our run game problem outside of what I already mentioned is teams haven't been afraid of the pass because randy has been calling dink and dunks. All of which worked early until teams started scheming for it. The second half yesterday was throwing the ball down field and Ben lit them up. No idea what team is showing up next week or in the playoffs but if it's the team in the second half against the Colts I'm feeling much better about things moving forward.
We looked awful in the first half and woke up in the second. The issues with the run game are two fold. Randy and his calls and a banged up on-line. We didn't have many rushing carries either. Dotson is in and healthy and he's what we've needed so we shall see if the ground game struggles continue. However with Ben throwing the ball down field and our arsenal at wr it opened up the run game. Sooooo much of our run game problem outside of what I already mentioned is teams haven't been afraid of the pass because randy has been calling dink and dunks. All of which worked early until teams started scheming for it. The second half yesterday was throwing the ball down field and Ben lit them up. No idea what team is showing up next week or in the playoffs but if it's the team in the second half against the Colts I'm feeling much better about things moving forward.
Kind of what we thought before our matchup. But obviously Woods didn’t take it to heart.
Ben wasn’t going downfield and it is easier to scheme against that approach. -
A quick perusal of the stats Tour. The Steelers had 20 count 'em 20 rushing yards against the Colts. We may not be able to beat them- but with that pathetic running game the Steelers are one and done in the playoffs...
We looked awful in the first half and woke up in the second. The issues with the run game are two fold. Randy and his calls and a banged up on-line. We didn't have many rushing carries either. Dotson is in and healthy and he's what we've needed so we shall see if the ground game struggles continue. However with Ben throwing the ball down field and our arsenal at wr it opened up the run game. Sooooo much of our run game problem outside of what I already mentioned is teams haven't been afraid of the pass because randy has been calling dink and dunks. All of which worked early until teams started scheming for it. The second half yesterday was throwing the ball down field and Ben lit them up. No idea what team is showing up next week or in the playoffs but if it's the team in the second half against the Colts I'm feeling much better about things moving forward.
We looked awful in the first half and woke up in the second. The issues with the run game are two fold. Randy and his calls and a banged up on-line. We didn't have many rushing carries either. Dotson is in and healthy and he's what we've needed so we shall see if the ground game struggles continue. However with Ben throwing the ball down field and our arsenal at wr it opened up the run game. Sooooo much of our run game problem outside of what I already mentioned is teams haven't been afraid of the pass because randy has been calling dink and dunks. All of which worked early until teams started scheming for it. The second half yesterday was throwing the ball down field and Ben lit them up. No idea what team is showing up next week or in the playoffs but if it's the team in the second half against the Colts I'm feeling much better about things moving forward.
Agreed, Ben looked like his old self in the 2nd half.
Keys for the Browns? Who's going to be able to play? Harrison was kept out for an additional week against the Jets, and that hurt us badly on some busted coverages. What's with Teller's ankle, and Wills "mystery" illness that kept him out against NY? Garrett obviously isn't back to 100% either.
Then we have the whole covid crew to worry about. Just my medical POV on that one. NFL overkill. You don't magically become infectious 24 or even 36 hours after being exposed. It takes a while for the virus load to build up to the point where you can spread it. If it means anything, couple months ago we had a restaurant gathering with 10 friends, one table for over a hour with no masks. Turns out one of the group was positive. No one else came up positive afterwards. FWIW Lucky? Who knows.
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Playoff time comes one week early for Browns fans..... what more could any of us want?
You wanna be someone Browns? Then go be someone.
Playoff time comes one week early for Browns fans..... what more could any of us want?
You wanna be someone Browns? Then go be someone.
Exactly. Win or go home. Can't be praying for a minor miracle for the Texans to beat the Titans and get in through the back door. EDIT: and it's not that simple...
The complete Browns scenarios...
CLE win OR
IND loss OR (fat chance- they play the hapless Jags)
TEN loss + MIA win or tie + BAL win or tie OR
CLE tie + BAL loss OR
CLE tie + MIA loss OR
CLE tie + TEN loss OR
CLE tie + IND tie OR
CLE tie + TEN tie + BAL win + MIA win
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Steelers haven't been able to run the ball for weeks.
He's rested players.
Case in point was 2017 when in Week 16 Ben and Bell played vs. HOU, but both sat Week 17 vs. their bitter, bitter rivals, The Cleveland Browns.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712250htx.htm ...................... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/201712310pit.htm
lmao at how many times can one man can be wrong.
Thank you for looking that up...
I think there is still remnants of the rivalry. I think Ben certainly enjoys beating us. I think they (Tomlin, Front Office) prefer us being down and making a playoff spot doesn’t fall in line with that...but I think they actually want to play us more this year than say the Ravens.I think they are worried too if Mason starts there is jawing, maybe suspension type altercations and you can’t have that the week before the playoffs. In that case, I’d probably play Hobbs instead of Mason.
Thank you for looking that up...
I think there is still remnants of the rivalry. I think Ben certainly enjoys beating us. I think they (Tomlin, Front Office) prefer us being down and making a playoff spot doesn’t fall in line with that...but I think they actually want to play us more this year than say the Ravens.I think they are worried too if Mason starts there is jawing, maybe suspension type altercations and you can’t have that the week before the playoffs. In that case, I’d probably play Hobbs instead of Mason.
First, you're welcome...
The only reason I see PTG playing all their starters is to keep their momentum going. After three losses and and a bad looking 1st-half yesterday they finally clicked in the 2nd half. I think this brings up a hybrid approach ala the 2nd or 3rd Preseason game where starters start, but then sit as soon as they have gotten work in and look good.
Rivalry impact? Minimal to none. As our frequent visitor from Steelerdom reminds us we've been so noncompetitive for so long that PTG fans have lost interest in our "rivalry". To the extent one exists it is in the minds of Browns fans and as we've repeatedly seen here the intensity on our side is highly variable. As for PTG ownership I can't see any view other than the more rivalries, intense rivalries, the better. Doesn't mean they'll roll over for us, but also doesn't mean they'll work to keep us "down".
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Thank you for looking that up...
I think there is still remnants of the rivalry. I think Ben certainly enjoys beating us. I think they (Tomlin, Front Office) prefer us being down and making a playoff spot doesn’t fall in line with that...but I think they actually want to play us more this year than say the Ravens.I think they are worried too if Mason starts there is jawing, maybe suspension type altercations and you can’t have that the week before the playoffs. In that case, I’d probably play Hobbs instead of Mason.
First, you're welcome...
The only reason I see PTG playing all their starters is to keep their momentum going. After three losses and and a bad looking 1st-half yesterday they finally clicked in the 2nd half. I think this brings up a hybrid approach ala the 2nd or 3rd Preseason game where starters start, but then sit as soon as they have gotten work in and look good.
Rivalry impact? Minimal to none. As our frequent visitor from Steelerdom reminds us we've been so noncompetitive for so long that PTG fans have lost interest in our "rivalry". To the extent one exists it is in the minds of Browns fans and as we've repeatedly seen here the intensity on our side is highly variable. As for PTG ownership I can't see any view other than the more rivalries, intense rivalries, the better. Doesn't mean they'll roll over for us, but also doesn't mean they'll work to keep us "down".
First, you're welcome...
The only reason I see PTG playing all their starters is to keep their momentum going. After three losses and and a bad looking 1st-half yesterday they finally clicked in the 2nd half. I think this brings up a hybrid approach ala the 2nd or 3rd Preseason game where starters start, but then sit as soon as they have gotten work in and look good.
Rivalry impact? Minimal to none. As our frequent visitor from Steelerdom reminds us we've been so noncompetitive for so long that PTG fans have lost interest in our "rivalry". To the extent one exists it is in the minds of Browns fans and as we've repeatedly seen here the intensity on our side is highly variable. As for PTG ownership I can't see any view other than the more rivalries, intense rivalries, the better. Doesn't mean they'll roll over for us, but also doesn't mean they'll work to keep us "down".
I could definitely see a hybrid approach (play half) especially on Offense.
Defensively, I think they sit some guys...but remember The Steelers are playing with backups now (LBs) on defense but guys like Watt, Heyward, Tuitt, Fitzpatrick- they are already rolling, communicating well and mostly playing well. The rest factor IMO outweighs the need for reps and they need to win a somewhat meaningless game.
As much as the rivalry is seemingly not thought of as big concern in this matchup (and you have a point) the outcome of the game is not a large concern either. If they controlled their own destiny for a bye- I would certainly expect the outcome to be more important.
And as much as we hate to hear it- they want to play us in the playoffs. They don’t think we are ready and our defense poses a smaller challenge than say the Ravens and Colts. I think everyone wants the Dolphins- good story this year but they are overrated hot garbage. I think we would have beat the Dolphins Sunday.
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I think a lot of you have the wrong idea with Mike Tomlin. I don't think he gives a single shit about "keeping the Browns down". The man is focused on his team and only his team. I frankly expect a lot of starters to sit seeing as we really didn't get a bye week. A week 4 bye doesn't do a fucking thing and the team is on the record saying they are mentally exhausted because of moving stuff around with covid. Tj is one sack away from Harrison sack record but I don't think he or tomlin give a damn. I have no idea what to expect.
I think a lot of you have the wrong idea with Mike Tomlin. I don't think he gives a single shit about "keeping the Browns down". The man is focused on his team and only his team. I frankly expect a lot of starters to sit seeing as we really didn't get a bye week. A week 4 bye doesn't do a fucking thing and the team is on the record saying they are mentally exhausted because of moving stuff around with covid. Tj is one sack away from Harrison sack record but I don't think he or tomlin give a damn. I have no idea what to expect.
I agree mostly. Put in the course of being just worried about his team I would think that he would want the number two seed so they could have Homefield vantage for the first two games. Fair to say. And that would mean playing for tilt boogie this week.
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I think a lot of you have the wrong idea with Mike Tomlin. I don't think he gives a single shit about "keeping the Browns down". The man is focused on his team and only his team. I frankly expect a lot of starters to sit seeing as we really didn't get a bye week. A week 4 bye doesn't do a fucking thing and the team is on the record saying they are mentally exhausted because of moving stuff around with covid. Tj is one sack away from Harrison sack record but I don't think he or tomlin give a damn. I have no idea what to expect.
I agree mostly. Put in the course of being just worried about his team I would think that he would want the number two seed so they could have Homefield vantage for the first two games. Fair to say. And that would mean playing for tilt boogie this week.
I agree mostly. Put in the course of being just worried about his team I would think that he would want the number two seed so they could have Homefield vantage for the first two games. Fair to say. And that would mean playing for tilt boogie this week.
Home field advantage? Steelers don’t have to take a 45min. Flight? Don’t have to Stay in a Suite in downtown Buffalo?
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I agree mostly. Put in the course of being just worried about his team I would think that he would want the number two seed so they could have Homefield vantage for the first two games. Fair to say. And that would mean playing for tilt boogie this week.
Home field advantage? Steelers don’t have to take a 45min. Flight? Don’t have to Stay in a Suite in downtown Buffalo?
Home field advantage? Steelers don’t have to take a 45min. Flight? Don’t have to Stay in a Suite in downtown Buffalo?
Bubble Up
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Tomlin hasn't said if he's sitting any starters yet but I'd be VERY surprised if they sat anyone who wasn't injured. In other words, get ready for Ben and Watt.
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Tomlin hasn't said if he's sitting any starters yet but I'd be VERY surprised if they sat anyone who wasn't injured. In other words, get ready for Ben and Watt.
... get ready for Ben and Watt.
Watt was the very first member of their D I thought of as I read SdB's above post... then I thought of Heyward. Those are the two of their front seven Tomlin dare not get hurt in an unimportant game. Of their back four Fitz comes to mind.
As I wrote above on Offense I can see Ben and the rest starting, but if they play well early, then sitting down.
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