2021 'Who are you watching?' NFL prospect thread.
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Has anyone been watching jacoby stevens for LSU? They play him at FS but he's a 4.7 - slow only by NFL safety standards - so he'll be a fast OLB with plus coverage skills. Him and Hilliard and a round2 DI [Tufele/USC, Nixon/Iowa] could be good for our front seven.
Watching that ND LB Owusu-something get trucked by Najee Harris suggests he'll receive the same from other NFL power runners -- undersized. Let someone else take him.
Has anyone been watching jacoby stevens for LSU? They play him at FS but he's a 4.7 - slow only by NFL safety standards - so he'll be a fast OLB with plus coverage skills. Him and Hilliard and a round2 DI [Tufele/USC, Nixon/Iowa] could be good for our front seven.
Watching that ND LB Owusu-something get trucked by Najee Harris suggests he'll receive the same from other NFL power runners -- undersized. Let someone else take him.
Just moving from DB to LB because of a lack of footspeed doesn't guarantee success. Many have tried and failed, especially at 6ft tall and 220lbs. You spoke of Owusu from ND being undersized... Jacoby would be right there with him.
At least a player like UNC's Surbatt has been playing the position a year and change along with being a bit on the smaller side of an NFL backer.
Also I wouldn't mind seeing what kind of reasonable contract the Browns could pick up Goodson on. He has been surprisingly effect in the middle and I believe he could be better, or at worst a consistently reliable starter while we make investments elsewhere.
As for DI? Not worried about until later day 3 at the moment. Oh and Haskell Garrett is going top 50 if he repeats last night against Bama.
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Has anyone been watching jacoby stevens for LSU? They play him at FS but he's a 4.7 - slow only by NFL safety standards - so he'll be a fast OLB with plus coverage skills. Him and Hilliard and a round2 DI [Tufele/USC, Nixon/Iowa] could be good for our front seven.
Watching that ND LB Owusu-something get trucked by Najee Harris suggests he'll receive the same from other NFL power runners -- undersized. Let someone else take him.
Just moving from DB to LB because of a lack of footspeed doesn't guarantee success. Many have tried and failed, especially at 6ft tall and 220lbs. You spoke of Owusu from ND being undersized... Jacoby would be right there with him.
At least a player like UNC's Surbatt has been playing the position a year and change along with being a bit on the smaller side of an NFL backer.
Also I wouldn't mind seeing what kind of reasonable contract the Browns could pick up Goodson on. He has been surprisingly effect in the middle and I believe he could be better, or at worst a consistently reliable starter while we make investments elsewhere.
As for DI? Not worried about until later day 3 at the moment. Oh and Haskell Garrett is going top 50 if he repeats last night against Bama.
As for DI? Not worried about until later day 3 at the moment. Oh and Haskell Garrett is going top 50 if he repeats last night against Bama.
I don't know tia, Ogunjobi is a free agent after this season and Richardson is over 30 at the DTackle spot, and I'm not sure there's any young guy on the roster ready to step in to a starting spot. I'd also love to see the Browns get a long-term complement to Garrett at DE.
I think the LB position can be filled in Rounds 3-5.
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As for DI? Not worried about until later day 3 at the moment. Oh and Haskell Garrett is going top 50 if he repeats last night against Bama.
I don't know tia, Ogunjobi is a free agent after this season and Richardson is over 30 at the DTackle spot, and I'm not sure there's any young guy on the roster ready to step in to a starting spot. I'd also love to see the Browns get a long-term complement to Garrett at DE.
I think the LB position can be filled in Rounds 3-5.
I don't know tia, Ogunjobi is a free agent after this season and Richardson is over 30 at the DTackle spot, and I'm not sure there's any young guy on the roster ready to step in to a starting spot. I'd also love to see the Browns get a long-term complement to Garrett at DE.
I think the LB position can be filled in Rounds 3-5.
Jobi's play has leveled off a bit, although I wonder if he's still dealing with some nagging injury from week 7? Groin pulls linger. Sheldon, plus his availability, has played well enough for a 2 year extension IMHO.
Jordan Elliot has shown flashes. But like any rookie, has hit a wall. Needs an off-season of full camps, condition and coaching. But his ceiling is considerable and his floor is still playing time worthy.
Then you have Billings back next year which I believe will make a world of difference. I'm not saying to not always look for young talent, but unless the player outclasses the need - then LB, DB are tops in the pecking order.
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I don't know tia, Ogunjobi is a free agent after this season and Richardson is over 30 at the DTackle spot, and I'm not sure there's any young guy on the roster ready to step in to a starting spot. I'd also love to see the Browns get a long-term complement to Garrett at DE.
I think the LB position can be filled in Rounds 3-5.
Jobi's play has leveled off a bit, although I wonder if he's still dealing with some nagging injury from week 7? Groin pulls linger. Sheldon, plus his availability, has played well enough for a 2 year extension IMHO.
Jordan Elliot has shown flashes. But like any rookie, has hit a wall. Needs an off-season of full camps, condition and coaching. But his ceiling is considerable and his floor is still playing time worthy.
Then you have Billings back next year which I believe will make a world of difference. I'm not saying to not always look for young talent, but unless the player outclasses the need - then LB, DB are tops in the pecking order.
Jobi's play has leveled off a bit, although I wonder if he's still dealing with some nagging injury from week 7? Groin pulls linger.
In the time he’s been here this is how l’ve come to see Ogunjobi, a guy that starts the season off on fire but levels off from there.
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I don't know tia, Ogunjobi is a free agent after this season and Richardson is over 30 at the DTackle spot, and I'm not sure there's any young guy on the roster ready to step in to a starting spot. I'd also love to see the Browns get a long-term complement to Garrett at DE.
I think the LB position can be filled in Rounds 3-5.
Jobi's play has leveled off a bit, although I wonder if he's still dealing with some nagging injury from week 7? Groin pulls linger. Sheldon, plus his availability, has played well enough for a 2 year extension IMHO.
Jordan Elliot has shown flashes. But like any rookie, has hit a wall. Needs an off-season of full camps, condition and coaching. But his ceiling is considerable and his floor is still playing time worthy.
Then you have Billings back next year which I believe will make a world of difference. I'm not saying to not always look for young talent, but unless the player outclasses the need - then LB, DB are tops in the pecking order.
Jobi's play has leveled off a bit, although I wonder if he's still dealing with some nagging injury from week 7? Groin pulls linger. Sheldon, plus his availability, has played well enough for a 2 year extension IMHO.
Jordan Elliot has shown flashes. But like any rookie, has hit a wall. Needs an off-season of full camps, condition and coaching. But his ceiling is considerable and his floor is still playing time worthy.
Then you have Billings back next year which I believe will make a world of difference. I'm not saying to not always look for young talent, but unless the player outclasses the need - then LB, DB are tops in the pecking order.
Do you feel comfortable going into training camp with Ronnie Harrison and Grant Delpit as the starters at SS and FS respectively, and then concentrate on adding corners? Or are you still looking at safeties?
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In the time he’s been here this is how l’ve come to see Ogunjobi, a guy that starts the season off on fire but levels off from there.
And that's the thing, you're going to have that with several players along your offense and defense every given year. Not everybody can play at an elite level. You'll have your great players and your supporting cast. Jobi is supporting cast and there's nothing wrong with that.
Do you feel comfortable going into training camp with Ronnie Harrison and Grant Delpit as the starters at SS and FS respectively,
and then concentrate on adding corners?
Or are you still looking at safeties?
To answer in order.
- No
- If a quality DB presents himself in the draft at any point, I'd have no issue with the Browns taking him
- Of course
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Non Browns related Draft Question- Has Trevor Lawrence improved much over the past three years?
And Haskell Garrett is moving up boards FAST. The guy was shot in the face this year. Overshadowed in years past. He’s a dude this year.
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As for DI? Not worried about until later day 3 at the moment. Oh and Haskell Garrett is going top 50 if he repeats last night against Bama.
I don't know tia, Ogunjobi is a free agent after this season and Richardson is over 30 at the DTackle spot, and I'm not sure there's any young guy on the roster ready to step in to a starting spot. I'd also love to see the Browns get a long-term complement to Garrett at DE.
I think the LB position can be filled in Rounds 3-5.
I don't know tia, Ogunjobi is a free agent after this season and Richardson is over 30 at the DTackle spot, and I'm not sure there's any young guy on the roster ready to step in to a starting spot. I'd also love to see the Browns get a long-term complement to Garrett at DE.
I think the LB position can be filled in Rounds 3-5.
I’m leaning toward best available Front Four or Back 7 in this coming draft- first round. If it’s not a backer in Round 1 then I go two backers with the next three picks (2nd round and/or our 3rd or the Saints 3rd).
I will say this if we are rolling with Joe Woods who doesn’t like pressure outside of his front 4 we need some dudes upfront.
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Non Browns related Draft Question- Has Trevor Lawrence improved much over the past three years?
And Haskell Garrett is moving up boards FAST. The guy was shot in the face this year. Overshadowed in years past. He’s a dude this year.
Non Browns related Draft Question- Has Trevor Lawrence improved much over the past three years?
And Haskell Garrett is moving up boards FAST. The guy was shot in the face this year. Overshadowed in years past. He’s a dude this year.
I believe so. He's still a good QB despite the diminished Oline play and shift in offensive philosophy from year 2 to 3. Previous season Clemson loved to attack the perimeter with their taller receivers. Now with their shaky line, he's been finding his backs and TE's a bit more often this season while using his legs in "run to throw" situations. That, to me at least, shows a mental progression and understanding of a shift in offensive play in order to still produce results.
Like I said with Haskell, he was a 6-7 before the NU game, he'll be a day 2 pick unless some stupidity happens against Bama.
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Non Browns related Draft Question- Has Trevor Lawrence improved much over the past three years?
And Haskell Garrett is moving up boards FAST. The guy was shot in the face this year. Overshadowed in years past. He’s a dude this year.
Has Trevor Lawrence improved much over the past three years?
Not that I can see, but then his supporting cast seems to have declined this season. Case in point is tia's shift which to me looks like a game-planning acknowledgment of their decline especially along the OL.
The one thing he has mastered is the "chuck n duck". While he completed a couple last nite there were more that he did not including the final one ending in an INT. I've no issue when a QB does so out of self-preservation with a hit imminent, some last nite were under relatively light pressure. That said Trevor's stats are up excepting his INT rate which is roughly the same as last season. I can't recall him "standing in" and delivering once last nite.
I do have to add that IMO he's going to look very ordinary at the next level after being drafted by a bad team, i.e., JAX.
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Has Trevor Lawrence improved much over the past three years?
Not that I can see, but then his supporting cast seems to have declined this season. Case in point is tia's shift which to me looks like a game-planning acknowledgment of their decline especially along the OL.
The one thing he has mastered is the "chuck n duck". While he completed a couple last nite there were more that he did not including the final one ending in an INT. I've no issue when a QB does so out of self-preservation with a hit imminent, some last nite were under relatively light pressure. That said Trevor's stats are up excepting his INT rate which is roughly the same as last season. I can't recall him "standing in" and delivering once last nite.
I do have to add that IMO he's going to look very ordinary at the next level after being drafted by a bad team, i.e., JAX.
I do have to add that IMO he's going to look very ordinary at the next level after being drafted by a bad team, i.e., JAX.
Safe to say you were much higher on Burrow at this time last year entering the Draft than you are Lawrence now?
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Has Trevor Lawrence improved much over the past three years?
Not that I can see, but then his supporting cast seems to have declined this season. Case in point is tia's shift which to me looks like a game-planning acknowledgment of their decline especially along the OL.
The one thing he has mastered is the "chuck n duck". While he completed a couple last nite there were more that he did not including the final one ending in an INT. I've no issue when a QB does so out of self-preservation with a hit imminent, some last nite were under relatively light pressure. That said Trevor's stats are up excepting his INT rate which is roughly the same as last season. I can't recall him "standing in" and delivering once last nite.
I do have to add that IMO he's going to look very ordinary at the next level after being drafted by a bad team, i.e., JAX.
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Whoever this kid from Iowa State is - #88. Yeah... He's going to be worth a watch for a lot of teams.
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Whoever this kid from Iowa State is - #88. Yeah... He's going to be worth a watch for a lot of teams.
Whoever this kid from Iowa State is - #88. Yeah... He's going to be worth a watch for a lot of teams.
88 Charlie Kolar TE 6-6 257 Jr NFL Draft Diamonds Scouting Notes:
Charlie Kolar is one of the best pass catching tight ends in the country. He has great hands, and runs great routes. He is a little lanky, but I would expect him to gain some weight this year. He has a Jimmy Graham type of body frame, and he plays a lot of like Jimmy Graham. I am a fan of his, I think he will blow up this season for the Cyclones, and I would not be surprised if he leaves early. – Damond Talbot, Owner, NFL Draft Diamonds
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Whoever this kid from Iowa State is - #88. Yeah... He's going to be worth a watch for a lot of teams.
88 Charlie Kolar TE 6-6 257 Jr NFL Draft Diamonds Scouting Notes:
Charlie Kolar is one of the best pass catching tight ends in the country. He has great hands, and runs great routes. He is a little lanky, but I would expect him to gain some weight this year. He has a Jimmy Graham type of body frame, and he plays a lot of like Jimmy Graham. I am a fan of his, I think he will blow up this season for the Cyclones, and I would not be surprised if he leaves early. – Damond Talbot, Owner, NFL Draft Diamonds
88 Charlie Kolar TE 6-6 257 Jr NFL Draft Diamonds Scouting Notes:
Charlie Kolar is one of the best pass catching tight ends in the country. He has great hands, and runs great routes. He is a little lanky, but I would expect him to gain some weight this year. He has a Jimmy Graham type of body frame, and he plays a lot of like Jimmy Graham. I am a fan of his, I think he will blow up this season for the Cyclones, and I would not be surprised if he leaves early. – Damond Talbot, Owner, NFL Draft Diamonds
Jimmy Graham was exactly who I was thinking. Tall, a bit lean(er) basically a converted small forward. Kid looks like he has great hands, natural pass catcher.
Tell me about Bobby Brown on your DI. Kid looks like a giant.
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Another mid-round LB: UMich's Cam McGrone. 235 pounds and seems really agile/quick change of direction for coverage. The few clips I saw looked like he has tools. May not have much experience [10 starts] but that's why many thought he shouldn't declare. NFLdraftscout apparently has him at #3 for ILB so he may not be a round4 guy.
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88 Charlie Kolar TE 6-6 257 Jr NFL Draft Diamonds Scouting Notes:
Charlie Kolar is one of the best pass catching tight ends in the country. He has great hands, and runs great routes. He is a little lanky, but I would expect him to gain some weight this year. He has a Jimmy Graham type of body frame, and he plays a lot of like Jimmy Graham. I am a fan of his, I think he will blow up this season for the Cyclones, and I would not be surprised if he leaves early. – Damond Talbot, Owner, NFL Draft Diamonds
Jimmy Graham was exactly who I was thinking. Tall, a bit lean(er) basically a converted small forward. Kid looks like he has great hands, natural pass catcher.
Tell me about Bobby Brown on your DI. Kid looks like a giant.
Jimmy Graham was exactly who I was thinking. Tall, a bit lean(er) basically a converted small forward. Kid looks like he has great hands, natural pass catcher.
Tell me about Bobby Brown on your DI. Kid looks like a giant.
Well kept secret I was hoping will come back for his senior year. 1st Team All-SEC DT whose job it is to shut down the inside game and push interior OLs into the QB on passing downs. 6-4 325lbs. Like most of their DL he shares time so that they can play as a group as strong in the 4th Q as they play in the 1st.
EDIT: I started to post this early in the game last night, but got superstitious and did not want to jinx him or them. NC was missing some players, but the A&M defense was also missing 3 senior starters last night. Just was not declared until game time.
Anyway because he was rested throughout the game as A&M does with their DLs, he ended up making the key 3rd and 4th down stops late to get the ball back with the 7 point lead, by doing just what his job is, disrupt the inside blockers and force the RB off his designated hole through the line. I really hope he returns for his senior season because I think coming out he will just be a mid-round pick even though he did make 1st team SEC DL. If we could get him in the 4th, it would be a steal IMO.
EDIT #2: Keep an eye on this kid the next couple of years. He came in for the injured starting RB Spiller and showed exactly why I think he will be a starting NFL RB some day. 4.3 40 speed and state HS champ in the 200m dash combined with great balance and vision.
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Safe to say you were much higher on Burrow at this time last year entering the Draft than you are Lawrence now?
Yup... I can't recall an easier QB evaluation than Burrow. But don't get me wrong, I think Lawrence has a nice future in the NFL, it just is going to happen for him out of the gate as it did with Burrow.
Meanwhile it's confirmed... Kellen Mond is my 2021 Darkhorse. Love his mechanics... very quick release... plenty of arm... good legs... 6'3... and more than enough evidence of gray matter.
DraftScout has him on the Round 3/4 cusp. While I suspect he climbs some, if I was in the Browns' war room and he is around late round three I start pounding the table hard...
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Safe to say you were much higher on Burrow at this time last year entering the Draft than you are Lawrence now?
Yup... I can't recall an easier QB evaluation than Burrow. But don't get me wrong, I think Lawrence has a nice future in the NFL, it just is going to happen for him out of the gate as it did with Burrow.
Meanwhile it's confirmed... Kellen Mond is my 2021 Darkhorse. Love his mechanics... very quick release... plenty of arm... good legs... 6'3... and more than enough evidence of gray matter.
DraftScout has him on the Round 3/4 cusp. While I suspect he climbs some, if I was in the Browns' war room and he is around late round three I start pounding the table hard...
Yup... I can't recall an easier QB evaluation than Burrow. But don't get me wrong, I think Lawrence has a nice future in the NFL, it just is going to happen for him out of the gate as it did with Burrow.
Meanwhile it's confirmed... Kellen Mond is my 2021 Darkhorse. Love his mechanics... very quick release... plenty of arm... good legs... 6'3... and more than enough evidence of gray matter.
DraftScout has him on the Round 3/4 cusp. While I suspect he climbs some, if I was in the Browns' war room and he is around late round three I start pounding the table hard...
And my dark horse from A&M is DT Bobby Brown (if he comes out) from A&M, 1st team All-SEC. Round 4 steal for somebody. Clogs up the middle and ability to power-push OLs into a QB.
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Yup... I can't recall an easier QB evaluation than Burrow. But don't get me wrong, I think Lawrence has a nice future in the NFL, it just is going to happen for him out of the gate as it did with Burrow.
Meanwhile it's confirmed... Kellen Mond is my 2021 Darkhorse. Love his mechanics... very quick release... plenty of arm... good legs... 6'3... and more than enough evidence of gray matter.
DraftScout has him on the Round 3/4 cusp. While I suspect he climbs some, if I was in the Browns' war room and he is around late round three I start pounding the table hard...
And my dark horse from A&M is DT Bobby Brown (if he comes out) from A&M, 1st team All-SEC. Round 4 steal for somebody. Clogs up the middle and ability to power-push OLs into a QB.
And my dark horse from A&M is DT Bobby Brown (if he comes out)
It's his prerogative. He can do what he wants to do (His prerogative).
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