Meyer to JAX?
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Your argument was that he is better suited for college, which could certainly be true. But guys like Urban (not meaning that negative at all) aren't just going to go anywhere. I'll explain it like this: Saban, Sweeney, Day, Kelly, Fisher, etc. Aren't going to go somewhere they don't have a chance to immediately compete for a championship in college. It's different in the NFL because of how those jobs are looked at. And it is not like Urban is out of a job. He is handsomely rewarded for his currently.
And before you point out that all these guys already have jobs, something anyone can see, Fisher left FSU 3 years removed from a CFP appearance and 4 from a championship.
And again, there is the HUGE part of getting the most sought after recruits, and that is much harder to do at a school like Arizona. Yes Urban was a great recruiter, but part of his (and the other top guys) getting the guys is the university, tradition, and exposure they get at them. This is a big reason why Herman is gone at Texas even with a pretty good record. He annually got Top 10 classes and then underperformed.
Well, then, what programs may he go to? Or I guess you are saying that none of the ones that may open up are prestigious enough to attract him......leaving the NFL as basically his only option.....and challenge?
Well, then, what programs may he go to? Or I guess you are saying that none of the ones that may open up are prestigious enough to attract him......leaving the NFL as basically his only option.....and challenge?
You answered your own question. Why would someone take a lesser job?
Whatever reason (all above board or not) you want to attribute to UM leaving schools, he has absolutely improved his situation every time. He didn't leave anywhere because he was struggling.
So since you like your history, go ahead and name a coach who "traded down" jobs when they weren't let go at the previous?
If you want a comparison with UM currently, use Gruden. He had a very nice high paying job in the booth. 10 years between coaching jobs. Do you really think that Raiders was the only opportunity he had in those 10 years?
You would think so, wouldn't you. But no. A sparkler burns bright, but then burns out, yet some people still remember the thrill of the sparkle thereafter. You are living on remembrance.
This is just obvious OSU bias Gipper, or at the very least just disliking Harbaugh. He is routinely talked about for NFL jobs.
While I don't think he is the best candidate for any of these jobs, there is no denying the success he had in the NFL. There also is no denying that he seems to wear out his welcome quickly.
Take out this year, as should be done with any Big 10 and Pac 12 with the number of games played. Two losing records (both at Stanford) in 12 years in college. 0 losing records in NFL. Total record of 151-68-1. 72% win percentage.
I swear it is personal feelings/judgments based on rivalries that gets you on these tangents that are based in anything but facts and then you go full defend position no matter what.
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Well, then, what programs may he go to? Or I guess you are saying that none of the ones that may open up are prestigious enough to attract him......leaving the NFL as basically his only option.....and challenge?
You answered your own question. Why would someone take a lesser job?
Whatever reason (all above board or not) you want to attribute to UM leaving schools, he has absolutely improved his situation every time. He didn't leave anywhere because he was struggling.
So since you like your history, go ahead and name a coach who "traded down" jobs when they weren't let go at the previous?
If you want a comparison with UM currently, use Gruden. He had a very nice high paying job in the booth. 10 years between coaching jobs. Do you really think that Raiders was the only opportunity he had in those 10 years?
You would think so, wouldn't you. But no. A sparkler burns bright, but then burns out, yet some people still remember the thrill of the sparkle thereafter. You are living on remembrance.
This is just obvious OSU bias Gipper, or at the very least just disliking Harbaugh. He is routinely talked about for NFL jobs.
While I don't think he is the best candidate for any of these jobs, there is no denying the success he had in the NFL. There also is no denying that he seems to wear out his welcome quickly.
Take out this year, as should be done with any Big 10 and Pac 12 with the number of games played. Two losing records (both at Stanford) in 12 years in college. 0 losing records in NFL. Total record of 151-68-1. 72% win percentage.
I swear it is personal feelings/judgments based on rivalries that gets you on these tangents that are based in anything but facts and then you go full defend position no matter what.
You answered your own question. Why would someone take a lesser job?
Whatever reason (all above board or not) you want to attribute to UM leaving schools, he has absolutely improved his situation every time. He didn't leave anywhere because he was struggling.
So since you like your history, go ahead and name a coach who "traded down" jobs when they weren't let go at the previous?
Well....who was the one that said that because of the Zach Smith thing and the suspension involved there that he was likely to have been disinvited to have come back? And, of course, the primary reason for his "retirement" was his tumor. But, to answer your question: I think you (or at least I) can say that Jimbo Fisher traded down when he went from FSU to Texas A&M. Now, maybe TAMU has all the resources...or more than FSU.....but the TAMU in no way matched the prestige...i.e. record of success that FSU had over the years...including under Fisher.
If you want a comparison with UM currently, use Gruden. He had a very nice high paying job in the booth. 10 years between coaching jobs. Do you really think that Raiders was the only opportunity he had in those 10 years?
This is just obvious OSU bias Gipper, or at the very least just disliking Harbaugh. He is routinely talked about for NFL jobs.
Is it? I know their is media talk....but is there valid NFL GM/front office talk....now? Maybe 3-4 years ago. But lately? Maybe they see a spark burning out in that regard. I just don't know if he is being given any run. I would like to see some evidence there...
While I don't think he is the best candidate for any of these jobs, there is no denying the success he had in the NFL. There also is no denying that he seems to wear out his welcome quickly.
Operative term: HAD. Question is can that apply to the belief in him in the future. Though, if you say he has signed to 2026 then I believe fully that due to that no NFL team will give him a thought. And that is apparently where he wants to be.
Take out this year, as should be done with any Big 10 and Pac 12 with the number of games played. Two losing records (both at Stanford) in 12 years in college. 0 losing records in NFL. Total record of 151-68-1. 72% win percentage.
I swear it is personal feelings/judgments based on rivalries that gets you on these tangents that are based in anything but facts and then you go full defend position no matter what.
No, not at all. I am perfectly willing to change my assessment if evidence can be provided that some NFL teams or team may still be highly interested in Harbaugh for one of their jobs. Like I said...2-3 years ago I would definitely say there was. Now, not so sure.
I would even say that at this point it seems that Harbaugh would still be a more likely candidate for an NFL job than Meyer.....because of his previous successful NFL experience, where Urban has none. (plus I still think NFL teams could have concerns about his health)
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Well, then, what programs may he go to? Or I guess you are saying that none of the ones that may open up are prestigious enough to attract him......leaving the NFL as basically his only option.....and challenge?
You answered your own question. Why would someone take a lesser job?
Whatever reason (all above board or not) you want to attribute to UM leaving schools, he has absolutely improved his situation every time. He didn't leave anywhere because he was struggling.
So since you like your history, go ahead and name a coach who "traded down" jobs when they weren't let go at the previous?
If you want a comparison with UM currently, use Gruden. He had a very nice high paying job in the booth. 10 years between coaching jobs. Do you really think that Raiders was the only opportunity he had in those 10 years?
You would think so, wouldn't you. But no. A sparkler burns bright, but then burns out, yet some people still remember the thrill of the sparkle thereafter. You are living on remembrance.
This is just obvious OSU bias Gipper, or at the very least just disliking Harbaugh. He is routinely talked about for NFL jobs.
While I don't think he is the best candidate for any of these jobs, there is no denying the success he had in the NFL. There also is no denying that he seems to wear out his welcome quickly.
Take out this year, as should be done with any Big 10 and Pac 12 with the number of games played. Two losing records (both at Stanford) in 12 years in college. 0 losing records in NFL. Total record of 151-68-1. 72% win percentage.
I swear it is personal feelings/judgments based on rivalries that gets you on these tangents that are based in anything but facts and then you go full defend position no matter what.
I swear it is personal feelings/judgments based on rivalries that gets you on these tangents that are based in anything but facts and then you go full defend position no matter what.
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I personally don't think it is a great idea. I still see him as a college guy.
You know, Texas now has an opening.
That's the job I would take if I were him.
I have serious questions about his offensive philosophy working in the NFL, and he is a fantastic recruiter, which means his teams almost always are more talented than the opposition in college. Who different world in the NFL.
That's the job I would take if I were him.
By all accounts the tu job is one of the worst due to heavy meddling by Alums.
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Story of the Day: Harbaugh resigning with Michigan through 2026
Could today get any better? I submit to you that it cannot!
Story of the Day: Harbaugh resigning with Michigan through 2026
Could today get any better? I submit to you that it cannot!
Probably making him stay he beats tOSU....
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Well, then, what programs may he go to? Or I guess you are saying that none of the ones that may open up are prestigious enough to attract him......leaving the NFL as basically his only option.....and challenge?
You answered your own question. Why would someone take a lesser job?
Whatever reason (all above board or not) you want to attribute to UM leaving schools, he has absolutely improved his situation every time. He didn't leave anywhere because he was struggling.
So since you like your history, go ahead and name a coach who "traded down" jobs when they weren't let go at the previous?
If you want a comparison with UM currently, use Gruden. He had a very nice high paying job in the booth. 10 years between coaching jobs. Do you really think that Raiders was the only opportunity he had in those 10 years?
You would think so, wouldn't you. But no. A sparkler burns bright, but then burns out, yet some people still remember the thrill of the sparkle thereafter. You are living on remembrance.
This is just obvious OSU bias Gipper, or at the very least just disliking Harbaugh. He is routinely talked about for NFL jobs.
While I don't think he is the best candidate for any of these jobs, there is no denying the success he had in the NFL. There also is no denying that he seems to wear out his welcome quickly.
Take out this year, as should be done with any Big 10 and Pac 12 with the number of games played. Two losing records (both at Stanford) in 12 years in college. 0 losing records in NFL. Total record of 151-68-1. 72% win percentage.
I swear it is personal feelings/judgments based on rivalries that gets you on these tangents that are based in anything but facts and then you go full defend position no matter what.
If you want a comparison with UM currently, use Gruden. He had a very nice high paying job in the booth. 10 years between coaching jobs. Do you really think that Raiders was the only opportunity he had in those 10 years?
Of course not, but it likely was not until the Raiders that he was made an offer he could not refuse.... 10 years... essentially total control including selection of the "GM". I love Mayock, but he's a head scout with a title... and a fair amount of influence with his HC.
Gruden is smart enough to know his limitations. And Mayock is strong enough in self-belief to pound the table when he thinks Chuckie is off-base. I see it as one of those relationships where they can go at it hammer and tong all afternoon... and then go out for a drink.
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If you want a comparison with UM currently, use Gruden. He had a very nice high paying job in the booth. 10 years between coaching jobs. Do you really think that Raiders was the only opportunity he had in those 10 years?
Of course not, but it likely was not until the Raiders that he was made an offer he could not refuse.... 10 years... essentially total control including selection of the "GM". I love Mayock, but he's a head scout with a title... and a fair amount of influence with his HC.
Gruden is smart enough to know his limitations. And Mayock is strong enough in self-belief to pound the table when he thinks Chuckie is off-base. I see it as one of those relationships where they can go at it hammer and tong all afternoon... and then go out for a drink.
Of course not, but it likely was not until the Raiders that he was made an offer he could not refuse.... 10 years... essentially total control including selection of the "GM". I love Mayock, but he's a head scout with a title... and a fair amount of influence with his HC.
Gruden is smart enough to know his limitations. And Mayock is strong enough in self-belief to pound the table when he thinks Chuckie is off-base. I see it as one of those relationships where they can go at it hammer and tong all afternoon... and then go out for a drink.
I think you didn't fully get my point.
Like you alluded to, and that my point was pointing out to Gipper is that unless a GREAT opportunity (that would be perceived by that individual) is extended, there is no need to jump back in.
For Urban, maybe that is NFL, maybe it comes with one of the top NCAA schools, but in my estimation, it wouldn't come from a BIG downgrade in college jobs.
Just having a want to get back in doesn't mean you jump at the 1st decent job, where you certainly wouldn't be afforded the same opportunity as your previous gig.
That's all I was pointing out.
Well, I mean these things can't be "proven" unless they interview, but it would seem awfully far fetched to believe that multiple jobs every year he is one of the names brought up.
Like I said, I don't think he would be the best hire, but the more likely scenario is that he in fact wants to stay where he is. Whether that is a good decision or not is debatable, but when you factor in its his Alma mater, none of us know what kind of control he would be offered in NFL, etc.
As for Jimbo Fisher, I think you are looking at it too much on history and tradition. I'll say it like this, at worst it could be considered a SMALL step down (which doesn't factor in salary, etc). Florida, Texas, and California are the 3 highest producing states for prospects which is already a built in advantage, then you have the programs like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State that can get prospects based solely on success and exposure.
There is a HUGE difference in going from Florida State to Texas AM and Ohio State to Arizona.
Just a rough estimate, but...
ACC: Florida State is probably 3rd in their conference as the destination (Clemson, Miami). Thst can change here and there between 2-5.
Big 10: That is obviously a no Brainerd
Big 12: Texas and Oklahoma 1-2 every year there, usually in thst order.
SEC: Texas AM probably 5, behind Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida
Pac 12: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford all easily ahead.
I'll put it simple, I will come on and gladly accept I was wrong if Urban became the coach at ANY school other than the following.
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, USC.
That gives me 9 schools, you get the rest. Care to take those odds?
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Can't hate on Urban for that -- OSU was his dream college job; pro is an entirely different ballgame.
Even though Urban's run game is relatively well documented, Urban's most trusted thing was QB runs.. which gets QB's killed in the NFL because there's only one Lamar Jackson. Can he call his games [esp close ones] differently?
Might be where Dwayne Haskins winds up....
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From B/ R....
Urban Meyer has been linked to the head coaching vacancy with the Jacksonville Jaguars, but he won't come cheap.
According to Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, Meyer is seeking $12 million per year to come out of retirement and become the head coach of Jacksonville.
....... edit, if true that would be about just based on games as $750,000/game. Not a bad game check.
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Again....not at all. I just think the shine is off that bauble. . Show anywhere that he was being pursued for an NFL job the last couple of years. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
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Of course not, but it likely was not until the Raiders that he was made an offer he could not refuse.... 10 years... essentially total control including selection of the "GM". I love Mayock, but he's a head scout with a title... and a fair amount of influence with his HC.
Gruden is smart enough to know his limitations. And Mayock is strong enough in self-belief to pound the table when he thinks Chuckie is off-base. I see it as one of those relationships where they can go at it hammer and tong all afternoon... and then go out for a drink.
I think you didn't fully get my point.
Like you alluded to, and that my point was pointing out to Gipper is that unless a GREAT opportunity (that would be perceived by that individual) is extended, there is no need to jump back in.
For Urban, maybe that is NFL, maybe it comes with one of the top NCAA schools, but in my estimation, it wouldn't come from a BIG downgrade in college jobs.
Just having a want to get back in doesn't mean you jump at the 1st decent job, where you certainly wouldn't be afforded the same opportunity as your previous gig.
That's all I was pointing out.
Well, I mean these things can't be "proven" unless they interview, but it would seem awfully far fetched to believe that multiple jobs every year he is one of the names brought up.
Like I said, I don't think he would be the best hire, but the more likely scenario is that he in fact wants to stay where he is. Whether that is a good decision or not is debatable, but when you factor in its his Alma mater, none of us know what kind of control he would be offered in NFL, etc.
As for Jimbo Fisher, I think you are looking at it too much on history and tradition. I'll say it like this, at worst it could be considered a SMALL step down (which doesn't factor in salary, etc). Florida, Texas, and California are the 3 highest producing states for prospects which is already a built in advantage, then you have the programs like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State that can get prospects based solely on success and exposure.
There is a HUGE difference in going from Florida State to Texas AM and Ohio State to Arizona.
Just a rough estimate, but...
ACC: Florida State is probably 3rd in their conference as the destination (Clemson, Miami). Thst can change here and there between 2-5.
Big 10: That is obviously a no Brainerd
Big 12: Texas and Oklahoma 1-2 every year there, usually in thst order.
SEC: Texas AM probably 5, behind Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida
Pac 12: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford all easily ahead.
I'll put it simple, I will come on and gladly accept I was wrong if Urban became the coach at ANY school other than the following.
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, USC.
That gives me 9 schools, you get the rest. Care to take those odds?
I think you didn't fully get my point.
Like you alluded to, and that my point was pointing out to Gipper is that unless a GREAT opportunity (that would be perceived by that individual) is extended, there is no need to jump back in.
All I would ask for is a media report stating that he is being contemplated for something...not that he even has to interview.
For Urban, maybe that is NFL, maybe it comes with one of the top NCAA schools, but in my estimation, it wouldn't come from a BIG downgrade in college jobs.
Just having a want to get back in doesn't mean you jump at the 1st decent job, where you certainly wouldn't be afforded the same opportunity as your previous gig.
That's all I was pointing out.
And I don't disagree at all with any of that.
Well, I mean these things can't be "proven" unless they interview, but it would seem awfully far fetched to believe that multiple jobs every year he is one of the names brought up.
Like I said, I don't think he would be the best hire, but the more likely scenario is that he in fact wants to stay where he is. Whether that is a good decision or not is debatable, but when you factor in its his Alma mater, none of us know what kind of control he would be offered in NFL, etc.
As for Jimbo Fisher, I think you are looking at it too much on history and tradition. I'll say it like this, at worst it could be considered a SMALL step down (which doesn't factor in salary, etc). Florida, Texas, and California are the 3 highest producing states for prospects which is already a built in advantage, then you have the programs like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State that can get prospects based solely on success and exposure.
Well....what else do we have to look at besides history? (money?) In this case I was looking at recent history. In the last 20 years how many times had FSU competed for a national title? Likely....numerous. A&M....has not competed for a National title since the 1950s as far as I can recall.
There is a HUGE difference in going from Florida State to Texas AM and Ohio State to Arizona.
Absolutely no argument.
Just a rough estimate, but...
ACC: Florida State is probably 3rd in their conference as the destination (Clemson, Miami). Thst can change here and there between 2-5.
Clemson only made that jump in the last 5 years. In the previous 25.....FSU clearly was predominant.
Big 10: That is obviously a no Brainerd. Oh, you betcha....but, wait..... Brainerd is in Minnesota.....home of Margie Gunderson....What are you saying here? ?
Big 12: Texas and Oklahoma 1-2 every year there, usually in thst order.
SEC: Texas AM probably 5, behind Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida
Pac 12: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford all easily ahead.
I'll put it simple, I will come on and gladly accept I was wrong if Urban became the coach at ANY school other than the following.
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, USC.
That gives me 9 schools, you get the rest. Care to take those odds?
I don't think I was accusing you of being wrong about anything. I only mentioned Arizona because I thought it could be a "soft spot" for a guy like Urban to land....as a sort of semi-retirement job.
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I think you didn't fully get my point.
Like you alluded to, and that my point was pointing out to Gipper is that unless a GREAT opportunity (that would be perceived by that individual) is extended, there is no need to jump back in.
All I would ask for is a media report stating that he is being contemplated for something...not that he even has to interview.
For Urban, maybe that is NFL, maybe it comes with one of the top NCAA schools, but in my estimation, it wouldn't come from a BIG downgrade in college jobs.
Just having a want to get back in doesn't mean you jump at the 1st decent job, where you certainly wouldn't be afforded the same opportunity as your previous gig.
That's all I was pointing out.
And I don't disagree at all with any of that.
Well, I mean these things can't be "proven" unless they interview, but it would seem awfully far fetched to believe that multiple jobs every year he is one of the names brought up.
Like I said, I don't think he would be the best hire, but the more likely scenario is that he in fact wants to stay where he is. Whether that is a good decision or not is debatable, but when you factor in its his Alma mater, none of us know what kind of control he would be offered in NFL, etc.
As for Jimbo Fisher, I think you are looking at it too much on history and tradition. I'll say it like this, at worst it could be considered a SMALL step down (which doesn't factor in salary, etc). Florida, Texas, and California are the 3 highest producing states for prospects which is already a built in advantage, then you have the programs like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State that can get prospects based solely on success and exposure.
Well....what else do we have to look at besides history? (money?) In this case I was looking at recent history. In the last 20 years how many times had FSU competed for a national title? Likely....numerous. A&M....has not competed for a National title since the 1950s as far as I can recall.
There is a HUGE difference in going from Florida State to Texas AM and Ohio State to Arizona.
Absolutely no argument.
Just a rough estimate, but...
ACC: Florida State is probably 3rd in their conference as the destination (Clemson, Miami). Thst can change here and there between 2-5.
Clemson only made that jump in the last 5 years. In the previous 25.....FSU clearly was predominant.
Big 10: That is obviously a no Brainerd. Oh, you betcha....but, wait..... Brainerd is in Minnesota.....home of Margie Gunderson....What are you saying here? ?
Big 12: Texas and Oklahoma 1-2 every year there, usually in thst order.
SEC: Texas AM probably 5, behind Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida
Pac 12: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford all easily ahead.
I'll put it simple, I will come on and gladly accept I was wrong if Urban became the coach at ANY school other than the following.
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, USC.
That gives me 9 schools, you get the rest. Care to take those odds?
I don't think I was accusing you of being wrong about anything. I only mentioned Arizona because I thought it could be a "soft spot" for a guy like Urban to land....as a sort of semi-retirement job.
I certainly am not going to get into another back and forth with you, especially when a guy (Fisher), who would still be considered one of the Top coaches made that choice, so for whatever reason HE didn't see it as a step down???
But since you asked:
And I am not going back 20 years, and it certainly would be foolish to go back any further, and it certainly depends on what is considered competed for a championship, but:
2008: Utah, Texas Tech, Boise State all Top 10; no FSU OR TAM
2009: Cincinnati, Boise State, Georgia Tech Top 10; no FSU or TAM
2010: Arkansas, Boise State Top 10; TAM-17, FSU 23
2011: Arkansas, Boise State Top 10; no FSU or TAM
2012: TAM 9, FSU 12
2013: Florida State won title, TAM 21
1st 3 years of CFP, Florida State was ranked and TAM wasn't. Coincidently (sarcasm), that was with Fisher. Then in 4 years since, TAM twice in, FSU 0.
But, by your logic here, whether your intention or not, Boise State is a better job than either.
And I don't think you believe that. My point in showing that is that using one metric backs you into a corner when there are many variables.
But just to answer your other question as to what else base it on; salary, existing roster, exposure, etc.
As far as the rest, you should know me well enough to know that I am not just pulling this Harbaugh stuff out of the air. It has been discussed A LOT (which would be a media report) every year. He obviously didn't take those jobs. But there are others who have been reported the same way and didn't take the job.
As far as the Urban stuff, I am not the one that brought up Arizona, you did. And you did that without any other thought about what could be seen as serious downfalls for why he would probably never do that. There is obviously nothing wrong with not thinking of those, but when they are pointed out, instead of just saying something like didn't think thst way, you dig in to further explain yourself.
So ask yourself this, since Arizona was viewed that way in your mind; would you also think that way about: UCF, South Florida, San Jose State, Fresno State, etc? I picked those teams for a reason, good weather, all finished better than Arizona, and quite a few yearly finish better.
And it also doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, for someone who has certainly had his fair share of health issues to just jump back in to coaching for a "soft spot" where as pointed out multiple times, 1. He doesn't need to and 2. Would be at a competitive disadvantage to competing for titles.
I just ask for you to actually think about it, why would Urban do that? What would be his motivation? And why, if that was the best option he had (with his obviously big status and track record) would he not just wait until a better option reached out?
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I suspect tam offered a pile of money. On FSU I am sure that I am Thinking of all the Bobby Bowden years when he was regularly fighting for the National title
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Again....not at all. I just think the shine is off that bauble. . Show anywhere that he was being pursued for an NFL job the last couple of years. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
Again....not at all. I just think the shine is off that bauble. . Show anywhere that he was being pursued for an NFL job the last couple of years. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
This literally comes up every off season. But you aren't going to get concrete "Harbaugh is being considered for ___" when he's still coaching somewhere else. That's not how this works...
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Again....not at all. I just think the shine is off that bauble. . Show anywhere that he was being pursued for an NFL job the last couple of years. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
This literally comes up every off season. But you aren't going to get concrete "Harbaugh is being considered for ___" when he's still coaching somewhere else. That's not how this works...
This literally comes up every off season. But you aren't going to get concrete "Harbaugh is being considered for ___" when he's still coaching somewhere else. That's not how this works...
Except there were all kinds of media speculations that he may go back to the NFL earlier in his tenure at FMU. That is all I asked....has there been any media speculation of that nature in the last couple of years? So, I had to do your job for you. See these:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/06/jim-harbaugh-eyes-a-potential-nfl-return/
https://sportsnaut.com/jim-harbaugh-nfl/
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/jim-harbaugh-nfl-rumors-lead-to-colin-kaepernick-speculation
https://thespun.com/big-ten/michigan-wolverines/report-michigan-jim-harbaugh-five-nfl-teams-future
So...I was wrong...there HAS been media speculation just in December about him wanting to go back into the NFL.
Of course, maybe he was just using the alleged interest in him, or in him wanting to go as leverage for his new deal.
Has that been signed.
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Of course not, but it likely was not until the Raiders that he was made an offer he could not refuse.... 10 years... essentially total control including selection of the "GM". I love Mayock, but he's a head scout with a title... and a fair amount of influence with his HC.
Gruden is smart enough to know his limitations. And Mayock is strong enough in self-belief to pound the table when he thinks Chuckie is off-base. I see it as one of those relationships where they can go at it hammer and tong all afternoon... and then go out for a drink.
I think you didn't fully get my point.
Like you alluded to, and that my point was pointing out to Gipper is that unless a GREAT opportunity (that would be perceived by that individual) is extended, there is no need to jump back in.
For Urban, maybe that is NFL, maybe it comes with one of the top NCAA schools, but in my estimation, it wouldn't come from a BIG downgrade in college jobs.
Just having a want to get back in doesn't mean you jump at the 1st decent job, where you certainly wouldn't be afforded the same opportunity as your previous gig.
That's all I was pointing out.
Well, I mean these things can't be "proven" unless they interview, but it would seem awfully far fetched to believe that multiple jobs every year he is one of the names brought up.
Like I said, I don't think he would be the best hire, but the more likely scenario is that he in fact wants to stay where he is. Whether that is a good decision or not is debatable, but when you factor in its his Alma mater, none of us know what kind of control he would be offered in NFL, etc.
As for Jimbo Fisher, I think you are looking at it too much on history and tradition. I'll say it like this, at worst it could be considered a SMALL step down (which doesn't factor in salary, etc). Florida, Texas, and California are the 3 highest producing states for prospects which is already a built in advantage, then you have the programs like Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State that can get prospects based solely on success and exposure.
There is a HUGE difference in going from Florida State to Texas AM and Ohio State to Arizona.
Just a rough estimate, but...
ACC: Florida State is probably 3rd in their conference as the destination (Clemson, Miami). Thst can change here and there between 2-5.
Big 10: That is obviously a no Brainerd
Big 12: Texas and Oklahoma 1-2 every year there, usually in thst order.
SEC: Texas AM probably 5, behind Alabama, Georgia, LSU and Florida
Pac 12: USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, Stanford all easily ahead.
I'll put it simple, I will come on and gladly accept I was wrong if Urban became the coach at ANY school other than the following.
Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Notre Dame, Georgia, Texas, Oklahoma, LSU, USC.
That gives me 9 schools, you get the rest. Care to take those odds?
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The great thing about TTUN fan getting on the moral high ground is that they get a great view of Ohio State beating their favorite team's ass every year...
Well, ALMOST every year. A convenient Covid scare saved them this year.
The “moral” high ground over OSU (most of time) is a stretch and is the only thing they can celebrate these days. They have been relegated to rooting for teams to beat OSU while losing to their in state rivals that they refer to as little brother.
There is no other program in college football that pounds it’s chest better in September but then quietly retreats to a moral high ground in November.
But they have cool uniforms and great players from Cleveland that still hang onto the past prestige of the program.
The “moral” high ground over OSU (most of time) is a stretch and is the only thing they can celebrate these days. They have been relegated to rooting for teams to beat OSU while losing to their in state rivals that they refer to as little brother.
There is no other program in college football that pounds it’s chest better in September but then quietly retreats to a moral high ground in November.
But they have cool uniforms and great players from Cleveland that still hang onto the past prestige of the program.
But but but they kind of won half of a national title a quarter century ago
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Oh, I believe your story too. I think both him being mad at getting suspended and his that his health was bothering him were true.
Right, both may have been true. The tumor though, is a know fact. The other, is still a rumor or speculation.....but it may have been true. Of course ....Icecube has all his "inside information" on the OBJ situation may have been as accurate as this.
Right, both may have been true. The tumor though, is a know fact. The other, is still a rumor or speculation.....but it may have been true. Of course ....Icecube has all his "inside information" on the OBJ situation may have been as accurate as this.
Tumor? I heard he had an arachnoid cyst. I suppose cyst and tumor are somewhat interchangeable though, aren't they?
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The “moral” high ground over OSU (most of time) is a stretch and is the only thing they can celebrate these days. They have been relegated to rooting for teams to beat OSU while losing to their in state rivals that they refer to as little brother.
There is no other program in college football that pounds it’s chest better in September but then quietly retreats to a moral high ground in November.
But they have cool uniforms and great players from Cleveland that still hang onto the past prestige of the program.
But but but they kind of won half of a national title a quarter century ago
But but but they kind of won half of a national title a quarter century ago
I don’t believe in kicking teams/people etc. when they are down but through all this they are still so dang insufferable.
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