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Week 18: Browns vs Steelers Wild Card Game

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  • @gunz41 said:

    Come on man, you are making yourself look like a troll with some of these posts.

    1. You never replied to being pointed out that your argument how unfair 3 games in 12 days was sooooooo unfair, when most teams do that yearly (Sunday, Sunday, Thursday or vice versa)

    2. You want us to believe you that the team the 1st 11 weeks was the REAL Steelers, yet you continue to point out the amount of injuries they have had. 

    These things can certainly be looked at as just being a fan. So you are given a pass on them as not "excuses", BUT...

    3. The notion that Pittsburgh (as the example being used) has turned everything back around based on ONE HALF of football is (in my best Stephen A Smith voice, "Asinine, Asiten, Asieleven, Asitwelve"

    Here are some notable games THIS year of games that one half didn't tell the story:

    Week 2: Chargers over Chiefs

    Week 4: Chargers over Bucs

    Week 5: Vikings over Seahawks; Raiders over Chiefs; Bonus entire game: Titans by 26 over Bills

    Week 6: Eagles over Ravens (2nd half like yours); Bonus- Bucs by 28 over Packers

    Week 7: Titans 2nd half over Steelers

    Week 8: Vikings over Packers

    Week 10: Patriots over Ravens; Colts 2nd half over Titans

    Week 11: Colts over Packers

    Week 12: Falcons over Raiders by 37

    Week 13: Washington over Steelers, Browns 1st half vs Titans

    Week 14: Eagles vs Saints

    Week 15: Bengals over Steelers, Jets over Rams, Falcons 1st half vs Bucs

    Week 16: Jets over Browns, Falcons most of game vs. Chiefs; Bonus- since you want to point that game out, what about the FIRST HALF of Colts Steelers

    Now, do you see how strange it seems that you want to use one half of football to say that your whole season has turned around?

    You see man, I think that Pittsburgh was better than both Washington and Cincinnati by A LOT. I think they are better than the Colts. But they lost those 1st two for whatever reason. I just think it is ridiculous to use one half of a football game to justify being back, just as either one half/or game above didn't show that for those teams. 

    I mean couldn't the Colts do the EXACT same thing and say they lost it for a period of time, but "look at what we did 1st half."

    Or did the Chiefs "lose it" every week in playoffs last year? Or if the Browns jump to a big lead and Steelers come back, did you turn it all around again? Or if Steelers jump out and Browns come back, did they get it all back?

    Instead of just saying "Steelers had a great half and showed what they are capable of", you went with what you did. I don't know how a team can be worn down by all they went through and rejuvenate at halftime of a game???

    3 games in 12 days with a week 4 bye week which was hardly a bye week in the first place.  It isn't the same and I did respond whenever that was mentioned last month. I also mentioned the second half of the colts game because the team was starting to get healthy and Ben was calling the plays.  I really don't care to be frank but i think a lot of the crying here is ridiculous.  As far as one half is concerned you all very nearly lost with a ton of our backups in so maybe you want to reevaluate that one. If mason didn't throw that INT in a panic you WOULD have lost. 

    @vagitron said:

    I really don't care to be frank but i think a lot of the crying here is ridiculous.

    Something that never happens on a Steeler forum, I'm sure...

  • "Enemies" is a tad strong, but here's an article, and maybe a book, some here will be interested in...

    https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports/nfl/browns/cleveland-browns-pittsburgh-steelers-enemies-national-football-league/95-41382d85-edfa-4d8e-89c9-10eba07f48d3

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  • Couple updates at the top of our injury Report...

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    Nothing new in PTG's, but here's reminder of who they'll be missing...

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    GO BROWNS!

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  • @vagitron said:

    I will be on this board no matter the outcome.

    Cool... you can continue to explain to me how the Eagles are a "good team"... 😉

    And feel free to join us in The Tavern tomorrow nite... at any point where we are winning...

    @tour2ma said:

    Cool... you can continue to explain to me how the Eagles are a "good team"... 😉

    And feel free to join us in The Tavern tomorrow nite... at any point where we are winning...

    I never said the eagles are a "good team" but i did say they were better than their record and their defensive line is very stout.  I don't think anyone saw the Wentz implosion coming. I might pop in the tavern but my goofy ass friend scheduled our NHL fantasy draft for tomorrow so i'm going to be doing some lite multi-tasking.  Appreciate the invite. ?

  • @vagitron said:

    I really don't care to be frank but i think a lot of the crying here is ridiculous.

    Something that never happens on a Steeler forum, I'm sure...

    @tour2ma said:

    Something that never happens on a Steeler forum, I'm sure...

    Oh we have em in spades, I just avoid it.  The majority of that is via facebook and the pittsburgh local news stations, it's the worst of our fan base there and it's a cesspool.  I follow the Steelersdepot which does incredible coverage if you have even a passing interest and it's objective.  I get most of that via twitter which is UNRIVALED for sports coverage if you follow the right people. I'm on reddit otherwise which is normally pretty objective too but has it's share of fucking crying. (I avoid it)

  • @tour2ma said:

    Update on Peeps not reflected in our Injury Report... 😕

    https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/01/browns-donovan-peoples-jones-cleared-from-concussion-protocol-jack-conkin-idle-with-illness-chad-oshea-returns.html

    Just mail in the "game". Our biggest strength (OL) being decimated will be like the game Denver played with a WR at QB. Totally laughable. Here is a preview. ??

  • @tour2ma said:

    Cool... you can continue to explain to me how the Eagles are a "good team"... 😉

    And feel free to join us in The Tavern tomorrow nite... at any point where we are winning...

    I never said the eagles are a "good team" but i did say they were better than their record and their defensive line is very stout.  I don't think anyone saw the Wentz implosion coming. I might pop in the tavern but my goofy ass friend scheduled our NHL fantasy draft for tomorrow so i'm going to be doing some lite multi-tasking.  Appreciate the invite. ?

    @vagitron said:

    my goofy ass friend scheduled our NHL fantasy draft f

    Let's GO Fly-ers... clap clap.... clap clap clap...

    @vagitron said:

    I don't think anyone saw the Wentz implosion coming.

    Clearly you've never read my Wentz posts over the years.

    Let's just say it was a very lonely existence... 🙁

  • @gunz41 said:

    Come on man, you are making yourself look like a troll with some of these posts.

    1. You never replied to being pointed out that your argument how unfair 3 games in 12 days was sooooooo unfair, when most teams do that yearly (Sunday, Sunday, Thursday or vice versa)

    2. You want us to believe you that the team the 1st 11 weeks was the REAL Steelers, yet you continue to point out the amount of injuries they have had. 

    These things can certainly be looked at as just being a fan. So you are given a pass on them as not "excuses", BUT...

    3. The notion that Pittsburgh (as the example being used) has turned everything back around based on ONE HALF of football is (in my best Stephen A Smith voice, "Asinine, Asiten, Asieleven, Asitwelve"

    Here are some notable games THIS year of games that one half didn't tell the story:

    Week 2: Chargers over Chiefs

    Week 4: Chargers over Bucs

    Week 5: Vikings over Seahawks; Raiders over Chiefs; Bonus entire game: Titans by 26 over Bills

    Week 6: Eagles over Ravens (2nd half like yours); Bonus- Bucs by 28 over Packers

    Week 7: Titans 2nd half over Steelers

    Week 8: Vikings over Packers

    Week 10: Patriots over Ravens; Colts 2nd half over Titans

    Week 11: Colts over Packers

    Week 12: Falcons over Raiders by 37

    Week 13: Washington over Steelers, Browns 1st half vs Titans

    Week 14: Eagles vs Saints

    Week 15: Bengals over Steelers, Jets over Rams, Falcons 1st half vs Bucs

    Week 16: Jets over Browns, Falcons most of game vs. Chiefs; Bonus- since you want to point that game out, what about the FIRST HALF of Colts Steelers

    Now, do you see how strange it seems that you want to use one half of football to say that your whole season has turned around?

    You see man, I think that Pittsburgh was better than both Washington and Cincinnati by A LOT. I think they are better than the Colts. But they lost those 1st two for whatever reason. I just think it is ridiculous to use one half of a football game to justify being back, just as either one half/or game above didn't show that for those teams. 

    I mean couldn't the Colts do the EXACT same thing and say they lost it for a period of time, but "look at what we did 1st half."

    Or did the Chiefs "lose it" every week in playoffs last year? Or if the Browns jump to a big lead and Steelers come back, did you turn it all around again? Or if Steelers jump out and Browns come back, did they get it all back?

    Instead of just saying "Steelers had a great half and showed what they are capable of", you went with what you did. I don't know how a team can be worn down by all they went through and rejuvenate at halftime of a game???

    3 games in 12 days with a week 4 bye week which was hardly a bye week in the first place.  It isn't the same and I did respond whenever that was mentioned last month. I also mentioned the second half of the colts game because the team was starting to get healthy and Ben was calling the plays.  I really don't care to be frank but i think a lot of the crying here is ridiculous.  As far as one half is concerned you all very nearly lost with a ton of our backups in so maybe you want to reevaluate that one. If mason didn't throw that INT in a panic you WOULD have lost. 

    @vagitron said:

    3 games in 12 days with a week 4 bye week which was hardly a bye week in the first place.  It isn't the same and I did respond whenever that was mentioned last month. I also mentioned the second half of the colts game because the team was starting to get healthy and Ben was calling the plays.  I really don't care to be frank but i think a lot of the crying here is ridiculous.  As far as one half is concerned you all very nearly lost with a ton of our backups in so maybe you want to reevaluate that one. If mason didn't throw that INT in a panic you WOULD have lost. 

    Obviously you just aren't comprehending or actively trying to avoid.

    1. At NO time when you were complaining (along with A LOT of others) about the 3 games did you mention anything aside from how unfair it was to play 3 games in 12 days, in fact I have seen (maybe you, maybe somewhere else that it has never been done. Just go ahead and admit it man, you didn't think about anyone else or what those 12 days could resemble.

    But, since you have now moved the goalposts, lets score again. Jets AND 49ers both had week 4 Bye Weeks in 2019. And guess what, BOTH had 3 games in 12 days.

    So again, YOU using this as history is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.

    Now, are you prepared for that crow that you said others would be eating?

    2. Obviously with you bringing up last week to try and make your point you think that it proves it?

    But I am not sure what point you think you are making? 

    IF the point you are trying to make is that the Steelers are better than the Browns based on that game (especially when you factor in full strength), I won't argue with you. If I were a betting man, I probably would say that.

    But trying to use it as an opposition to my point it is incredibly weak attempt. But maybe it is that you didnt understand my point and how it counteracts previous statements by you.

    1. You used that ONE HALF (For whatever reason you want to use, healthy, Ben calling plays, etc), to justify them being back. And since you are at least insinuating that they are back to pre slide form, then you are now the "undefeated" Steelers. That doesn't factor in losing 2 really good LBS, lack of running game, etc.

    2. It still doesn't explain how a team gets healthy at halftime of a game. 

    3. The other games mentioned obviously went over your head, or at the very least you just ignored. Since I said that Steelers were better than Colts, you can't say I am using it as some way to discredit your team. And my post has absolutely ZERO to do with the Browns. I am pointing out that your reasoning is extremely flawed, especially when coupled with the above games. A half or even full game can skew data and thus conclusion.

    So just answer this, IF the Browns were to win today, does that mean that what happened in the Colts 2nd half was an illusion? Or does it mean that the 1st 11 games was an illusion? Or conversely, if the Steelers blow the Browns out, does it mean that the 1st half vs. Titans was an illusion?

    Or even look at it in an even more simpler way. Since we can throw out last week since the Steelers played some backups, lets say Pittsburgh wins today 28-24 (just a random score), does that mean the Browns are better without Stefanski? I mean off of 2 halves, they made a +27 point differential. 

    Or again, say the Browns jump to a 21-7 halftime lead, and Steelers win 28-24, does that mean that Steelers got healthy and turned season around at halftime? Or vice versa, does it mean Browns did the same and turned everything around?

    Or since the Browns aren't a match for Steelers, lets say that Steelers play Bills next week. If the Bills beat Steelers 12+ next week, does that mean that Steelers were actually better during that time they were so limited? Or even more, does it mean they were just out of gas by then? 

    Maybe it's just me, and maybe I just have too much experience, but I seem to think that when someone wins its because they were better (whether it was that day or that season). So instead of some huge meaning behind one half of football (which could be true or could be false), maybe it was the fact that Pittsburgh was better than Indianapolis. I know, such a novel idea.

    As for the last point about Rudolph, where do I start? 1, there is a reason he isn't a starting QB, but let's look past that. 2. He certainly wasn't throwing an INT on purpose. 3. Every QB, from GOATs to 3rd stringers make mistakes. Brady, Brees, Montana, Rodgers, Mahomes, Roethlisberger, Bradshaw, etc all have thrown INTs, some of them came at terrible times and cost their team a game. 

  • @vagitron said:

    my goofy ass friend scheduled our NHL fantasy draft f

    Let's GO Fly-ers... clap clap.... clap clap clap...

    @vagitron said:

    I don't think anyone saw the Wentz implosion coming.

    Clearly you've never read my Wentz posts over the years.

    Let's just say it was a very lonely existence... 🙁

    @tour2ma said:

    Clearly you've never read my Wentz posts over the years.

    Let's just say it was a very lonely existence... 🙁

    Don't let Tour bullshit you Vag...

    His anti-Wentz posts were just a blind hope that his boy Sashi would somehow get validated. ?

  • ** Sigh **

  • Hehehehe. 

    It's starting to get real, huh? I've come to grips on either outcome today. Obviously I'd lose my mind with a victory, but I certainly don't expect it. I guess the frustrating thing is I actually WOULD expect a win if we were full strength, but that's neither here nor there. I'm watching the game with a few Browns fans and we're having a fun tiny party that will have way too much food and probably more drink. Can't think of a better way to potentially send off a terrific year. 

  • Hehehehe. 

    It's starting to get real, huh? I've come to grips on either outcome today. Obviously I'd lose my mind with a victory, but I certainly don't expect it. I guess the frustrating thing is I actually WOULD expect a win if we were full strength, but that's neither here nor there. I'm watching the game with a few Browns fans and we're having a fun tiny party that will have way too much food and probably more drink. Can't think of a better way to potentially send off a terrific year. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Hehehehe. 

    It's starting to get real, huh? I've come to grips on either outcome today. Obviously I'd lose my mind with a victory, but I certainly don't expect it. I guess the frustrating thing is I actually WOULD expect a win if we were full strength, but that's neither here nor there. I'm watching the game with a few Browns fans and we're having a fun tiny party that will have way too much food and probably more drink. Can't think of a better way to potentially send off a terrific year. 

    7 hours till kick off getting ready to crack open my first beer of the day me thinks i better record the game so i can re watch it tommorow morning  

    hell yes Go Browns

  • @jiggins7919 said:

    Yeesh. I never bet, but me thinks I'd be ALL over this line. I mean, a team who barely beat the backup QB has to go to THEIR house in a week to take on the varsity squad AND you have to factor in the fact that we literally NEVER beat them there. Like, virtually never. That HAS to factor into it. 

    On the flip side...we are playing with house money and the Steelers haven't exactly looked like world beaters in the past month. Here's a hot take, and feel free to laugh in my face:

    Either they kick our ass, or we kick theirs. This game won't be close. 

    Looked pretty damn unstoppable second half against the Colts.  I'm happy you all made the playoffs, truly and i really don't want to rain on parades. The Steelers were pretty damn beaten down courtesy of essentially losing a bye week.  Sure they had the week off in week 4 but in what world is a week 4 bye truly a bye? Tomlin rested those starters for a reason and frankly im surprised he didn't rest even more.  The Steelers need to be the team that played in the second half of the colts game.  We are gonna find out.  Any given sunday, especially in division. 

    @vagitron said:

    Looked pretty damn unstoppable second half against the Colts.  I'm happy you all made the playoffs, truly and i really don't want to rain on parades. The Steelers were pretty damn beaten down courtesy of essentially losing a bye week.  Sure they had the week off in week 4 but in what world is a week 4 bye truly a bye? Tomlin rested those starters for a reason and frankly im surprised he didn't rest even more.  The Steelers need to be the team that played in the second half of the colts game.  We are gonna find out.  Any given sunday, especially in division. 

    Hmm.

    I guess it was like I said, one good half.

    Or maybe it was that the Steelers lost it again??? 

    Oh wait, they were worn out coming into this game.

    See, your team, the one you wanted to tout as best in the league, they even had the same opportunity to do what they did against Colts.

    If it will make it easier on you, I will go out and get the crow for you, I'll even cook it. You want it Baked? Grilled? Fried? What it in a meal?

  • If Ward and KJ played... that game would have been a total blowout.

  • If Ward and KJ played... that game would have been a total blowout.

    @hx214 said:

    If Ward and KJ played... that game would have been a total blowout.

    next week man next week

  • Man... gonna be hard to sleep. Not sure how your ESTers can even think about bed! 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Something that never happens on a Steeler forum, I'm sure...

    Oh we have em in spades, I just avoid it.  The majority of that is via facebook and the pittsburgh local news stations, it's the worst of our fan base there and it's a cesspool.  I follow the Steelersdepot which does incredible coverage if you have even a passing interest and it's objective.  I get most of that via twitter which is UNRIVALED for sports coverage if you follow the right people. I'm on reddit otherwise which is normally pretty objective too but has it's share of fucking crying. (I avoid it)

    @vagitron said:

    Oh we have em in spades, I just avoid it.  The majority of that is via facebook and the pittsburgh local news stations, it's the worst of our fan base there and it's a cesspool.  I follow the Steelersdepot which does incredible coverage if you have even a passing interest and it's objective.  I get most of that via twitter which is UNRIVALED for sports coverage if you follow the right people. I'm on reddit otherwise which is normally pretty objective too but has it's share of fucking crying. (I avoid it)

    Steelers fans- now ready to kill themselves losing badly to an undermanned Browns team. That shot of Ben on the bench after the game said it all priceless. 

  • @vagitron said:

    Oh we have em in spades, I just avoid it.  The majority of that is via facebook and the pittsburgh local news stations, it's the worst of our fan base there and it's a cesspool.  I follow the Steelersdepot which does incredible coverage if you have even a passing interest and it's objective.  I get most of that via twitter which is UNRIVALED for sports coverage if you follow the right people. I'm on reddit otherwise which is normally pretty objective too but has it's share of fucking crying. (I avoid it)

    Steelers fans- now ready to kill themselves losing badly to an undermanned Browns team. That shot of Ben on the bench after the game said it all priceless. 

    @hoorta said:

    Steelers fans- now ready to kill themselves losing badly to an undermanned Browns team. That shot of Ben on the bench after the game said it all priceless. 

    And absolutely this WAS an undermanned Browns team.   No HC....no...2-3 other coaches.  No OBJ.  No 3/4ths of our starting DBs. No practice practically all week. 

    Who else were we missing?

    Steelers:   the only guy I know that was out for them was Joe Haden.