2021 'Who are you watching?' NFL prospect thread.

[MLD Woody]

@sdbacker80 said:

Day 3 guys...

Nico Collins- better WR at UM than DPJ.

Sage Surratt (wake)

Trevon  Grimes (Fla)

Nico has been mocked higher than Day 3 a few times, but those were mostly before the season. I am not super knowledgeable on the entire WR class yet, so I'm not sure where he sits, but I could see him going earlier. Combine will be important to see how he moves at his size. 

But then again I never thought DPJ would go as late as he did so who knows...

[Tour2ma]

OK.... Adams aside...

I feel like we need to go the opposite route at WR... small and waterbug quick.

Feel like we have our strong WR in Landry. He's not big, but he is strong. OBJ gives us our speed. Higgins/Hodge are fine for the possession role. What we lack is that WR whose elusiveness scares the shit out of a D when he gets his hands on the ball. We need a Tyreek Hill-ish kinda guy.

While I don't have a list (yet) I did fall across one in one of my "way-too-early" mocks... Louisville's Tutu Atwell. No where near the bulk on his little frame that hill has, but Lord this kid is lightening quick. Only issue may be that he is rising up boards. Apparently he went off vs. FSU in late October. He's risen in Walter's positional rankings from the mid-50s to #12.

[The Gipper]

Olave 

[Dutch Oven]

@tour2ma said:

OK.... Adams aside...

I feel like we need to go the opposite route at WR... small and waterbug quick.

Feel like we have our strong WR in Landry. He's not big, but he is strong. OBJ gives us our speed. Higgins/Hodge are fine for the possession role. What we lack is that WR whose elusiveness scares the shit out of a D when he gets his hands on the ball. We need a Tyreek Hill-ish kinda guy.

While I don't have a list (yet) I did fall across one in one of my "way-too-early" mocks... Louisville's Tutu Atwell. No where near the bulk on his little frame that hill has, but Lord this kid is lightening quick. Only issue may be that he is rising up boards. Apparently he went off vs. FSU in late October. He's risen in Walter's positional rankings from the mid-50s to #12.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't know the ins-and-outs of the salary cap, but I wonder how much longer Landry and OBJ have in Cleveland.

Both make a ton of money, Landry is a possession receiver and OBJ misses a lot of time. 

IMO, I don't think either are in the Browns longterm plans, especially considering all the young players coming up on extensions. 

[SdBacker80]

@the-gipper said:

Olave 

Agree but I don’t see us taking one early.  Olave is a Late First rounder after he runs a great 40 time. 

[Tour2ma]

Landry's locked up thru 2022 and OBJ thru 2023. OBJ costs about $15mm/year; Landry $14.8 and then $16.6mm.

No dead money tied up in OBJ. Landry has $3mm and then $1.5mm.

https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/cleveland-browns/

[Unsympathetic]

Taywan Taylor / JoJo Natson are currently on our IR but may not be answers to any question. 

Both have deep speed.  The question is if they are complete players; both former teams didn't think so.

Taylor was a 2017 3rd rounder who we paid a 2020 7th round pick to acquire ; Natson was UDFA and saw snaps the last 2 yrs at NYJ. 

Note, of course, that Taylor was a late day3 2017 prospect at WalterFootball.. Although our pick was the correct 2017 value for him, he was healthy for us until the last couple of games in 2020 and barely made the field even after OBJ's injury.

[ballpeen]

Kadarius Toney.  Problem solved.

[tiamat63]

At this point I'm just watching DB's and Dline.  LB and Oline depth is a less pressing priority.

[Nero]

@tiamat63 said:

At this point I'm just watching DB's and Dline.  LB and Oline depth is a less pressing priority.

Dline? I have felt some kind of problem in the rotation, we have a decent Dline but for example Myles needs a breather more often than not. 

I don't know about contract on that group (Richardson, Vernon?) but another body would be welcome. Are you thinking 2nd, 3rd round? 

[Tour2ma]

@unsympathetic said:

Taywan Taylor / JoJo Natson are currently on our IR but may not be answers to any question. 

Both have deep speed.  The question is if they are complete players; both former teams didn't think so.

Taylor was a 2017 3rd rounder who we paid a 2020 7th round pick to acquire ; Natson was UDFA and saw snaps the last 2 yrs at NYJ. 

Note, of course, that Taylor was a late day3 2017 prospect at WalterFootball.. Although our pick was the correct 2017 value for him, he was healthy for us until the last couple of games in 2020 and barely made the field even after OBJ's injury.

Taylor is Fool's Gold. Yes, he's fast (4.4-ish ET) and quick (6.57 3-cone) so team's pick him up hoping they can turn him into a WR only to dump him when they can't. We will as well.

I've no idea what potential Natson has, but while fast (mid-4.4's), he does not appear to be quick (7.20 3-cone). However, the surprisingly slow 3-cone may be because he did not train for the drills as do Combine invitees... like Taywan.

Did I mention Taywan has really bad hands?

[ATOM]

@dutch-oven said:

Tom Tupa - I believe - is the first player to score a 2pt conversion too... 

not unless he played for the Browns

[The Gipper]

@atom said:

not unless he played for the Browns

He did....and the first two point extra point was, I believe, accomplished when he was with the Browns. 

[Dutch Oven]

@the-gipper said:

He did....and the first two point extra point was, I believe, accomplished when he was with the Browns. 

Vs Cincinnati

[SdBacker80]

Wade played himself into the second round.  He may even be a bust there too.  Have to question his effort on a few of the plays too.

[SdBacker80]

Shaun Wade pathetic effort tonight 

[tiamat63]

@sdbacker80 said:

Have to question his effort on a few of the plays too.

You're 8 weeks late to this part.

Go back and watch the Penn State game.  If I was Ryan Day, I would have benched him at the half.

[ATOM]

@dutch-oven said:

Vs Cincinnati

i mean i knew we were the first but did not remember tupa being on are team

[gumby73]

I've seen most the Tyreek Hill comparisons to Gators WR Kadarius Toney?.. He'd surely help our kick/punt returns. Also, think Toney will blow his combine numbers out of our reach & higher position needs..Juice at age 28, don't look to be losing any steps either... Toney would be a fun watch, with Juice tutoring him though... 

Every draft season, I look for that small school kid to root for.. Can't wait to see this Charleston, D2 kid at senior bowl/combine.... I was shocked to see Walt even found this guy & ranked him #34    Meet 6'5" 225 Mike Strachan 

AJ Brown'ish comes to my mind ?  Some say 4.5 speed..  But, I want to see more, if this big cat, can turn & get out of breaks..Not much tape out there on route tree, but can see a Gordon getting off the LOS... any thoughts of having 2 twin towers on the outside of Peeps & a 6'5 ?

[Tour2ma]

@gumby73 said:

I've seen most the Tyreek Hill comparisons to Gators WR Kadarius Toney?.. He'd surely help our kick/punt returns. Also, think Toney will blow his combine numbers out of our reach & higher position needs..Juice at age 28, don't look to be losing any steps either... Toney would be a fun watch, with Juice tutor him though... 

Every draft season, I look for that small school kid to root for.. Can't wait to see this Charleston, D2 kid at senior bowl/combine.... I was shocked to see Walt even found this guy & ranked him #34    Meet 6'5" 225 Mike Strachan 

AJ Brown'ish comes to my mind ?  Some say 4.5 speed..  But, I want to see more, if this big cat, can turn & get out of breaks..Not much tape out there on route tree, but can see a Gordon getting off the LOS... any thoughts of having 2 twin towers on the outside of Peeps & a 6'5 ?

I like the added bulk of your little guy, but wonder about his quicks at 5'11. Does he seem expensive to you if he's a 2nd-rounder?

Strachan seems to be more of unknown... at least at draftscout. If the 4.6 is close, then he'd better cut on a dime to separate.

Twin Towers?  I could see taking a chance on Olajuwon, but Sampson? Not so much...