***WILDCARD: Browns AT Steelers Gameday Thread***
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One week you're saying that the Browns won against a backup team and the next one, being the Browns the one with more adversities, it was only the Steelers losing.
If every time the Browns win the Steelers there is going to be some kind of excuse instead of some credit, then I'm sorry but I'm not that interested in your opinion.
I have given credit plenty of times. I just think those that believe the demise of the steelers is here is comical. I guess we are going to find out. I'm not happy with the steelers and it has absolutely zero to do with losing to the browns.
I have given credit plenty of times. I just think those that believe the demise of the steelers is here is comical. I guess we are going to find out. I'm not happy with the steelers and it has absolutely zero to do with losing to the browns.
You're subscribing to the Steeler fantasy- we're going to be good next year because we've always been good.
Regarding beer- I don't understand the support Yen-ling that Chinese beer gets.
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I have given credit plenty of times. I just think those that believe the demise of the steelers is here is comical. I guess we are going to find out. I'm not happy with the steelers and it has absolutely zero to do with losing to the browns.
You're subscribing to the Steeler fantasy- we're going to be good next year because we've always been good.
Regarding beer- I don't understand the support Yen-ling that Chinese beer gets.
You're subscribing to the Steeler fantasy- we're going to be good next year because we've always been good.
Regarding beer- I don't understand the support Yen-ling that Chinese beer gets.
It's not a fantasy, the team is built for the future. There may be a couple down years but the talent is there and the organization has had continued success for a reason. Organizations like the steelers or the penguins dont stay down for long, they are built different. The same can be said about several other franchises. It is what it is. I also don't care much for yuengling but it was always around. My dad nor I were big drinkers tho.
Edit: and I assume the Chinese thing was tongue in cheek. Lol. If not it's the oldest American brewery and obviously based in PA. ?
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Bit east of you, but you don't happen to remember a restaurants named Bonvechio's, do you? Around Wainwright somewhere... south of New Philadelphia.
My Dad loved the place and we'd make the fairly long drive down from CLE a couple times a year for dinner... and a long drive back home.
Primarily a steakhouse they used to age beef on premises in their cellar. Dad told me you could go down and pick out your own steak, but he did not recommend it. Said he did it once and damn near couldn't eat the thing after seeing the mold on it.
May have closed in the early 60's....
Yea no idea. I've been in Columbus off and on for a little over ten years now I'd say but the area where we are has so much stuff we never really have to drive to far to get something really good. Delaware, Dublin, Powell, Westerville and of course columbus as a whole. It definitely sounds good tho. One place I really miss is Mike's place in Kent. It's a brownsbacker place too. Lol. X-wing out front and really good greasy spoon breakfast.
I will try and ask around about that steakhouse. Ive never been to new Philly tho or Wainright.
Yea no idea. I've been in Columbus off and on for a little over ten years now I'd say but the area where we are has so much stuff we never really have to drive to far to get something really good. Delaware, Dublin, Powell, Westerville and of course columbus as a whole. It definitely sounds good tho. One place I really miss is Mike's place in Kent. It's a brownsbacker place too. Lol. X-wing out front and really good greasy spoon breakfast.
I will try and ask around about that steakhouse. Ive never been to new Philly tho or Wainright.
Ever go to Thurman's?
Damn good burger.
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But, but, but....he wouldn't trade his entire roster for ours. I on the other hand did say that I would trade his LBs for ours.
BTW- Vag is "technically" right- Bens "dead cap" is only $22 million, as opposed to a "cap hit" of $40 million. Either way, they have zero cap room without making significant moves to get out of cap hell.
Bens "dead cap" is only $22 million, as opposed to a "cap hit" of $40
This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
Gently said the Steelers fan who posts on a Browns board.
I've explained why I'm here and have been here for a long time. I went to college in ohio, I joined the board because I wanted info/ammo to debate with my college friends and I stuck around. I don't need to be here. I don't really talk shit. Where exactly is your problem?
I've explained why I'm here and have been here for a long time. I went to college in ohio, I joined the board because I wanted info/ammo to debate with my college friends and I stuck around. I don't need to be here. I don't really talk shit. Where exactly is your problem?
No issue, just highlighting the idiocy.
The why is Irrelavent - you're here on a Browns board BUT it's the Browns who can't shut up about the Steelers?
Either accept the territory you're in and that Cleveland fans wish to see this rivalry restored and post as such (it's been getting better the last 4-5 years) or quit bitching about what they say.
Hell, I'm cool with Juju and now Chase going off. I miss some old fashion hate and bitterness. Makes a win a little more satisfying in a game that is supposed to be a brawl.
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Bens "dead cap" is only $22 million, as opposed to a "cap hit" of $40
This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
Of course if Ben retires, then PTG's cap relief is immediate.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Yea no idea. I've been in Columbus off and on for a little over ten years now I'd say but the area where we are has so much stuff we never really have to drive to far to get something really good. Delaware, Dublin, Powell, Westerville and of course columbus as a whole. It definitely sounds good tho. One place I really miss is Mike's place in Kent. It's a brownsbacker place too. Lol. X-wing out front and really good greasy spoon breakfast.
I will try and ask around about that steakhouse. Ive never been to new Philly tho or Wainright.
Ever go to Thurman's?
Damn good burger.
Ever go to Thurman's?
Damn good burger.
Yea we have one downtown delaware. It's call son of Thurman's. Definitely a good burger but also fucking huge. There is a place in a neighboring town (Powell) called the liberty tavern and for a while they made this burger with a Asiago cheese crisp, bacon, fig jam and peanut butter. It's still the best burger I've ever had in my life. Lol.
Thurman's is good tho.
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This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
Of course if Ben retires, then PTG's cap relief is immediate.
Of course if Ben retires, then PTG's cap relief is immediate.
I will be shocked if Ben isn't back. We shall see how badly he wants another go. Does he take a hometown discount? ?
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I have also read about the team using qualifying contract potentially to bring the cap down. The article mentioned alualu specifically.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
I've explained why I'm here and have been here for a long time. I went to college in ohio, I joined the board because I wanted info/ammo to debate with my college friends and I stuck around. I don't need to be here. I don't really talk shit. Where exactly is your problem?
No issue, just highlighting the idiocy.
The why is Irrelavent - you're here on a Browns board BUT it's the Browns who can't shut up about the Steelers?
Either accept the territory you're in and that Cleveland fans wish to see this rivalry restored and post as such (it's been getting better the last 4-5 years) or quit bitching about what they say.
Hell, I'm cool with Juju and now Chase going off. I miss some old fashion hate and bitterness. Makes a win a little more satisfying in a game that is supposed to be a brawl.
No issue, just highlighting the idiocy.
The why is Irrelavent - you're here on a Browns board BUT it's the Browns who can't shut up about the Steelers?
Either accept the territory you're in and that Cleveland fans wish to see this rivalry restored and post as such (it's been getting better the last 4-5 years) or quit bitching about what they say.
Hell, I'm cool with Juju and now Chase going off. I miss some old fashion hate and bitterness. Makes a win a little more satisfying in a game that is supposed to be a brawl.
Thst isn't really how this works. My teams season is over.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
Bens "dead cap" is only $22 million, as opposed to a "cap hit" of $40
This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
I really don't see the cap dropping that far, especially with covid. I imagine it's going to stay around the 200 mark.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
No issue, just highlighting the idiocy.
The why is Irrelavent - you're here on a Browns board BUT it's the Browns who can't shut up about the Steelers?
Either accept the territory you're in and that Cleveland fans wish to see this rivalry restored and post as such (it's been getting better the last 4-5 years) or quit bitching about what they say.
Hell, I'm cool with Juju and now Chase going off. I miss some old fashion hate and bitterness. Makes a win a little more satisfying in a game that is supposed to be a brawl.
Thst isn't really how this works. My teams season is over.
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But, but, but....he wouldn't trade his entire roster for ours. I on the other hand did say that I would trade his LBs for ours.
BTW- Vag is "technically" right- Bens "dead cap" is only $22 million, as opposed to a "cap hit" of $40 million. Either way, they have zero cap room without making significant moves to get out of cap hell.
BTW- Vag is "technically" right- Bens "dead cap" is only $22 million, as opposed to a "cap hit" of $40 million. Either way, they have zero cap room without making significant moves to get out of cap hell.
So...how do they get out of "cap hell".....other than letting BR take a hike?
It's not a fantasy, the team is built for the future. There may be a couple down years but the talent is there and the organization has had continued success for a reason. Organizations like the steelers or the penguins dont stay down for long, they are built different. The same can be said about several other franchises. It is what it is. I also don't care much for yuengling but it was always around. My dad nor I were big drinkers tho.
Edit: and I assume the Chinese thing was tongue in cheek. Lol. If not it's the oldest American brewery and obviously based in PA. ?
Built for the future? How does one figure? Unless you expect to draft 4 HOFers this year....but this ain't 1974. Yinzers got a couple of good young receivers (stay seated Juju...not talking about you) ....and a couple of young defenders (Minka/Watt) ... but beyond that it is about middle of the pack in terms of average age of your players. I guess getting rid of BR could help that. Browns on the other hand are the 4th youngest. So tell us which team is built for the future.
Also...I have played Darth Vader a time or two and have killed a few Y(eu)ounglings.
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Bens "dead cap" is only $22 million, as opposed to a "cap hit" of $40
This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
Someone below you stated that by dumping BR they will get immediate cap relief. What say you to that? Sounds like you disagree somewhat. Would they have to do more?
Jujubutt is a FA....let him walk? Same with Dupree...let him walk?
And I guess that sure as hell counts out trading for Wentz, as has been suggested.
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This shouldn't be confusing but both statements are correct. 41.3 if he's on the roster on 6/2/21; 22.3 if he's cut by 6/1.. but then they have no QB and a charge of 22.3.
Fun is that the 2021cap drops to 176 from current 202.. At present the Steelers are 21M over that cap of 176.. Look out below.
I really don't see the cap dropping that far, especially with covid. I imagine it's going to stay around the 200 mark.
I really don't see the cap dropping that far, especially with covid. I imagine it's going to stay around the 200 mark.
I will take Unsymps word over yours. He seems to know what he is talking about. You on the other hand.....mmmm, not so much.
Which means that even the Browns could have issues acquiring the FA talent they need due to the cap issues.
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Of course if Ben retires, then PTG's cap relief is immediate.
I will be shocked if Ben isn't back. We shall see how badly he wants another go. Does he take a hometown discount? ?
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I have also read about the team using qualifying contract potentially to bring the cap down. The article mentioned alualu specifically.
I have also read about the team using qualifying contract potentially to bring the cap down. The article mentioned alualu specifically.
A smart and underutilized approach... and with the first-right of refusal, the worst thing that can happen is you end up with a draft pick.
Only downside is potential player disgruntlement. Not as big of an issue on winning teams... so better be sure you win.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Guys, sure there is a bit of a difference being on an opposing teams forum, but Mr. Tron is to me not a troll. He actually posts even when they aren't playing, and he certainly isn't as bad as some so called Browns fans (and no, not saying ones that post regularly).
Now I completely disagreed with his talk and reasoning prior to and not long after the game, but he seems like a good guy.
As for what he has said in this thread about not trading... that is what most people are going to say. I mean just take a look (in your memory) at some of the talk on here with regards to some of the Browns earlier this year. People were ready to give up on Baker, OBJ, every defensive player not named Myles and Denzel (and even a few with him), Njoku, Peoples Jones, Higgins.
And if you do indeed think he is trolling, continuing to go after him would in fact be giving him exactly what he wants.
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Are you an engineer? Seem to be smart enough to be one...
Right, Woody?
Edit: As opposed to being a lawyer...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Guys, sure there is a bit of a difference being on an opposing teams forum, but Mr. Tron is to me not a troll. He actually posts even when they aren't playing, and he certainly isn't as bad as some so called Browns fans (and no, not saying ones that post regularly).
Now I completely disagreed with his talk and reasoning prior to and not long after the game, but he seems like a good guy.
As for what he has said in this thread about not trading... that is what most people are going to say. I mean just take a look (in your memory) at some of the talk on here with regards to some of the Browns earlier this year. People were ready to give up on Baker, OBJ, every defensive player not named Myles and Denzel (and even a few with him), Njoku, Peoples Jones, Higgins.
And if you do indeed think he is trolling, continuing to go after him would in fact be giving him exactly what he wants.
Guys, sure there is a bit of a difference being on an opposing teams forum, but Mr. Tron is to me not a troll. He actually posts even when they aren't playing, and he certainly isn't as bad as some so called Browns fans (and no, not saying ones that post regularly).
Now I completely disagreed with his talk and reasoning prior to and not long after the game, but he seems like a good guy.
As for what he has said in this thread about not trading... that is what most people are going to say. I mean just take a look (in your memory) at some of the talk on here with regards to some of the Browns earlier this year. People were ready to give up on Baker, OBJ, every defensive player not named Myles and Denzel (and even a few with him), Njoku, Peoples Jones, Higgins.
And if you do indeed think he is trolling, continuing to go after him would in fact be giving him exactly what he wants.
Why don't you go through a unit by unit, or even position by position analysis of both teams to see how the personnel matches up. I tried to do that some either previously in that thread or elsewhere. Some seemed to think that I was off base there.....but I don't.
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Guys, sure there is a bit of a difference being on an opposing teams forum, but Mr. Tron is to me not a troll. He actually posts even when they aren't playing, and he certainly isn't as bad as some so called Browns fans (and no, not saying ones that post regularly).
Now I completely disagreed with his talk and reasoning prior to and not long after the game, but he seems like a good guy.
As for what he has said in this thread about not trading... that is what most people are going to say. I mean just take a look (in your memory) at some of the talk on here with regards to some of the Browns earlier this year. People were ready to give up on Baker, OBJ, every defensive player not named Myles and Denzel (and even a few with him), Njoku, Peoples Jones, Higgins.
And if you do indeed think he is trolling, continuing to go after him would in fact be giving him exactly what he wants.
Why don't you go through a unit by unit, or even position by position analysis of both teams to see how the personnel matches up. I tried to do that some either previously in that thread or elsewhere. Some seemed to think that I was off base there.....but I don't.
Why don't you go through a unit by unit, or even position by position analysis of both teams to see how the personnel matches up. I tried to do that some either previously in that thread or elsewhere. Some seemed to think that I was off base there.....but I don't.
Nobody seemed to think you were off-base, you were off base because you have done it MULTIPLE times each of the past 3 years.
But obviously you didn't actually read what I wrote, or failed to understand it.
Even IF EVERY player would be in Cleveland favor, most people would say they wouldn't trade their team for another team. That is part of being a fan of YOUR team. As for saying Baker, OBJ, etc. My point was nowhere near that Steelers had someone better or anything close to it. My point, that has not changed whatsoever is that while our Steelers friend may be complaining about a few of his players and coaches, during THIS season, the one where NOBODY here (according to you) would trade with Steelers, the only players who I can recall not being talked about negatively by either supposedly Browns fans or even a few guys who do in fact regularly post are the OL, Chubb, Hunt, Landry, Hooper, and Garrett. That would appear then that the board collectively (no not individually, but you wanted to speak for the board as a whole) is sold on 10 out of 22.
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