***WILDCARD: Browns AT Steelers Gameday Thread***
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You still aren't getting it Gip.
I didn't give my assessment at all, so I certainly didn't say you were right or wrong on any of those.
My ENTIRE point was that you can't expect a fan of another team to say that he would trade his team for another.
And the other point I was making is that one, you certainly don't speak for everyone like you said to him multiple times, and 2 that guys that say they are fans (whether it is someone who posts a lot like you, or lesser extent me and a lot of others, or even the guys who seem to only show up negatively (which I certainly called out), have most certainly had varying degrees of negatives about guys on this team. So obviously everyone isn't on the same page for every player. I was just saying that I can recall only 10 who weren't talked about in that manner during this season. So tron having negative feelings about his guys at the moment aren't any different than what was said about Baker, OBJ, DPJ, etc.
You replied to me, thus me saying nobody calling you off base. I don't know what everyone says or feels. All I know is that I read something about you bringing this topic up multiple times, and I have personally seen that the last 3 years, including at the beginning of this season.
I won't go all players, but here are a few
QB: Yes at this moment anyone would take Mayfield going forward, but that has to do with age. If Mayfield has anywhere close to as good of a career as BR then the Browns will be excellent for YEARS. Baker had a slightly better year this year as well.
RB: There is no question here
WR: By skill, the top 2 Browns are better than Steelers and next 2 are better for Pittsburgh
OL: Not a question at all, especially with age. But it's not like Pittsburgh has a terrible Jets/Bengals like OL
DL: Yes Browns have by far the best single player, but as a unit Pitt may have slight edge.
LB: No question Pittsburgh
DB: Pittsburgh has the best player (Minkah), then would be Ward. As a unit, from what we have actually seen, this isn't much different than the Browns advantage on OL or Pitt advantage at LB.
Now that I went up and read yours, we don't differ that much, but I do believe in my opinion that it's a slight cop out to call DBs a wash because of injuries. Half of what is expected to be the starters is based solely on hopeful expectations. That would be like saying Green Bay has the best backup QB in the league because they have a 1st rounder and he seems to have loads of potential.
You still aren't getting it Gip.
I didn't give my assessment at all, so I certainly didn't say you were right or wrong on any of those.
My ENTIRE point was that you can't expect a fan of another team to say that he would trade his team for another.
Actually, yes, I did get that. And like I said...I still would have liked to have seen an objective assessment. I understood that you weren't giving one...so I did...or tried.
And the other point I was making is that one, you certainly don't speak for everyone like you said to him multiple times,
I may not speak for everyone.....but what I am saying is that I think anyone....giving an objective opinion, would come down on the side of the Browns having more overall talent on the respective rosters. Do you disagree with that? Speaking objectively?
and 2 that guys that say they are fans (whether it is someone who posts a lot like you, or lesser extent me and a lot of others, or even the guys who seem to only show up negatively (which I certainly called out), have most certainly had varying degrees of negatives about guys on this team. So obviously everyone isn't on the same page for every player. I was just saying that I can recall only 10 who weren't talked about in that manner during this season. So tron having negative feelings about his guys at the moment aren't any different than what was said about Baker, OBJ, DPJ, etc.
Oh...again....no disagreement about the fact that there are some negative opinions about some of our players....from top to bottom. But, again, I was looking at an overall roster assessment.
You replied to me, thus me saying nobody calling you off base. (It was Tour in his craven manner) I don't know what everyone says or feels. All I know is that I read something about you bringing this topic up multiple times, and I have personally seen that the last 3 years, including at the beginning of this season.
Actually...I am not the one that brought it up, at all. Someone else started a Browns/Steelers rivalry thread....and I didn't even bring it up here. Here I was replying to Vag's comment that he would not trade the Steeler's roster for the Browns. All I did was respond.
I won't go all players, but here are a few
QB: Yes at this moment anyone would take Mayfield going forward, but that has to do with age. If Mayfield has anywhere close to as good of a career as BR then the Browns will be excellent for YEARS. Baker had a slightly better year this year as well.
RB: There is no question here
WR: By skill, the top 2 Browns are better than Steelers and next 2 are better for Pittsburgh
OL: Not a question at all, especially with age. But it's not like Pittsburgh has a terrible Jets/Bengals like OL
DL: Yes Browns have by far the best single player, but as a unit Pitt may have slight edge.
LB: No question Pittsburgh
DB: Pittsburgh has the best player (Minkah), then would be Ward. As a unit, from what we have actually seen, this isn't much different than the Browns advantage on OL or Pitt advantage at LB.
Now that I went up and read yours, we don't differ that much, but I do believe in my opinion that it's a slight cop out to call DBs a wash because of injuries. Half of what is expected to be the starters is based solely on hopeful expectations. That would be like saying Green Bay has the best backup QB in the league because they have a 1st rounder and he seems to have loads of potential.
I agree that I copped out somewhat on the DBs....but that cop out was based on two things: A. We really haven't seen our real defensive backfield...and B. I never have professed to being a "talent evaluation" maven. I don't study this stuff... I don't go back over their college years or pro careers. .I just go by what I see. And where I think I have seen enough at the other positions to have an opinion, I don't think I have seen enough out of all of our DBs to have that same sort of opinion because of all the injuries.
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You still aren't getting it Gip.
I didn't give my assessment at all, so I certainly didn't say you were right or wrong on any of those.
My ENTIRE point was that you can't expect a fan of another team to say that he would trade his team for another.
Actually, yes, I did get that. And like I said...I still would have liked to have seen an objective assessment. I understood that you weren't giving one...so I did...or tried.
And the other point I was making is that one, you certainly don't speak for everyone like you said to him multiple times,
I may not speak for everyone.....but what I am saying is that I think anyone....giving an objective opinion, would come down on the side of the Browns having more overall talent on the respective rosters. Do you disagree with that? Speaking objectively?
and 2 that guys that say they are fans (whether it is someone who posts a lot like you, or lesser extent me and a lot of others, or even the guys who seem to only show up negatively (which I certainly called out), have most certainly had varying degrees of negatives about guys on this team. So obviously everyone isn't on the same page for every player. I was just saying that I can recall only 10 who weren't talked about in that manner during this season. So tron having negative feelings about his guys at the moment aren't any different than what was said about Baker, OBJ, DPJ, etc.
Oh...again....no disagreement about the fact that there are some negative opinions about some of our players....from top to bottom. But, again, I was looking at an overall roster assessment.
You replied to me, thus me saying nobody calling you off base. (It was Tour in his craven manner) I don't know what everyone says or feels. All I know is that I read something about you bringing this topic up multiple times, and I have personally seen that the last 3 years, including at the beginning of this season.
Actually...I am not the one that brought it up, at all. Someone else started a Browns/Steelers rivalry thread....and I didn't even bring it up here. Here I was replying to Vag's comment that he would not trade the Steeler's roster for the Browns. All I did was respond.
I won't go all players, but here are a few
QB: Yes at this moment anyone would take Mayfield going forward, but that has to do with age. If Mayfield has anywhere close to as good of a career as BR then the Browns will be excellent for YEARS. Baker had a slightly better year this year as well.
RB: There is no question here
WR: By skill, the top 2 Browns are better than Steelers and next 2 are better for Pittsburgh
OL: Not a question at all, especially with age. But it's not like Pittsburgh has a terrible Jets/Bengals like OL
DL: Yes Browns have by far the best single player, but as a unit Pitt may have slight edge.
LB: No question Pittsburgh
DB: Pittsburgh has the best player (Minkah), then would be Ward. As a unit, from what we have actually seen, this isn't much different than the Browns advantage on OL or Pitt advantage at LB.
Now that I went up and read yours, we don't differ that much, but I do believe in my opinion that it's a slight cop out to call DBs a wash because of injuries. Half of what is expected to be the starters is based solely on hopeful expectations. That would be like saying Green Bay has the best backup QB in the league because they have a 1st rounder and he seems to have loads of potential.
I agree that I copped out somewhat on the DBs....but that cop out was based on two things: A. We really haven't seen our real defensive backfield...and B. I never have professed to being a "talent evaluation" maven. I don't study this stuff... I don't go back over their college years or pro careers. .I just go by what I see. And where I think I have seen enough at the other positions to have an opinion, I don't think I have seen enough out of all of our DBs to have that same sort of opinion because of all the injuries.
This had nothing to do with the rivalry thread. Me saying multiple times (and I am not going to go back and find them), you have attempted (not saying that in a negative way) to do this compare players multiple times each year since Baker has been a Brown.
Again, you can have your opinion/assessment all you like. And as referenced above, we probably don't disagree on many of them, but the way that I read it (you said it was Tour), is you doing it multiple times. Now maybe it was to dig at you, but that is not how I read it.
As for the last part, I would just assume that most who want to make an assessment in anything (we can use your profession), that they would use the evidence they are presented.
Example, there were SERIOUS questions coming into the season about RG for the Browns. In fact, it wasn't even a sure thing that Teller would be the starter. Now he is considered one of if not the best guard in football.
So yes, with the potential of the DB in Cleveland is pretty high, but the only evidence we can use is what we currently have seen. Obviously everyone has been highly disappointed with Sendejo. Harrison has been pretty good, but has missed 6 games, and only started 7 out of 17. By talent again, Ward is the 2nd best between the two teams, but he has a hard time staying on the field, and that factors in.
And yes, I get that a bunch of this with Tron is because of the team he is a fan of, and wanting to give it to him.
But I believe that being a loyal fan (for whoever) is believing in your team and players and wanting them. And some of it comes down to fit in a system.
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This had nothing to do with the rivalry thread. Me saying multiple times (and I am not going to go back and find them), you have attempted (not saying that in a negative way) to do this compare players multiple times each year since Baker has been a Brown.
Again, you can have your opinion/assessment all you like. And as referenced above, we probably don't disagree on many of them, but the way that I read it (you said it was Tour), is you doing it multiple times. Now maybe it was to dig at you, but that is not how I read it.
As for the last part, I would just assume that most who want to make an assessment in anything (we can use your profession), that they would use the evidence they are presented.
Example, there were SERIOUS questions coming into the season about RG for the Browns. In fact, it wasn't even a sure thing that Teller would be the starter. Now he is considered one of if not the best guard in football.
So yes, with the potential of the DB in Cleveland is pretty high, but the only evidence we can use is what we currently have seen. Obviously everyone has been highly disappointed with Sendejo. Harrison has been pretty good, but has missed 6 games, and only started 7 out of 17. By talent again, Ward is the 2nd best between the two teams, but he has a hard time staying on the field, and that factors in.
And yes, I get that a bunch of this with Tron is because of the team he is a fan of, and wanting to give it to him.
But I believe that being a loyal fan (for whoever) is believing in your team and players and wanting them. And some of it comes down to fit in a system.
Now maybe it was to dig at you...
Guilty as charged!
It's Gip's modus operandi. Post an opinion... pounce on any disagreement... argue on and on and on despite any info presented in support of an alternative opinion and/or challenge to what he rarely provides to back up his... argue some more on and on... until he finally starts hurling insults, cussing, etc. and as cute as the latter can be...
I got tired of it and wasted entirely too much time engaging. Time I could have spent in tape sessions, reading about prospects or other football topics, or in exchanges with knowledgeable posters here. Posters I can learn something from and/or people who make me laugh. People with whose opinions I can disagree.... and they mine... discuss, debate and even if we don't come to a meeting of minds, then walk away having heard and respected each other's takes, i.e., Win-Win exchanges.
As I have told Gipper before, he simply doesn't meet my criteria. So I have consigned him to the Browns Board's Phantom Zone.
But surely you know all the above by now.
That you must yet continue to engage in a civil, eloquent, patient manner is why I've Sainted you.
That said... I have always recognized Gipper for the positive contributions he does make here... the trivia threads, his "surveys". They all take time to assemble and post.
Once upon a time they were among the things I most liked about this site. I simply chose to not participate in them any longer... wouldn't seem right... at least not on a regular basis.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
This had nothing to do with the rivalry thread. Me saying multiple times (and I am not going to go back and find them), you have attempted (not saying that in a negative way) to do this compare players multiple times each year since Baker has been a Brown.
Again, you can have your opinion/assessment all you like. And as referenced above, we probably don't disagree on many of them, but the way that I read it (you said it was Tour), is you doing it multiple times. Now maybe it was to dig at you, but that is not how I read it.
As for the last part, I would just assume that most who want to make an assessment in anything (we can use your profession), that they would use the evidence they are presented.
Example, there were SERIOUS questions coming into the season about RG for the Browns. In fact, it wasn't even a sure thing that Teller would be the starter. Now he is considered one of if not the best guard in football.
So yes, with the potential of the DB in Cleveland is pretty high, but the only evidence we can use is what we currently have seen. Obviously everyone has been highly disappointed with Sendejo. Harrison has been pretty good, but has missed 6 games, and only started 7 out of 17. By talent again, Ward is the 2nd best between the two teams, but he has a hard time staying on the field, and that factors in.
And yes, I get that a bunch of this with Tron is because of the team he is a fan of, and wanting to give it to him.
But I believe that being a loyal fan (for whoever) is believing in your team and players and wanting them. And some of it comes down to fit in a system.
This had nothing to do with the rivalry thread. Me saying multiple times (and I am not going to go back and find them), you have attempted (not saying that in a negative way) to do this compare players multiple times each year since Baker has been a Brown.
Again, you can have your opinion/assessment all you like. And as referenced above, we probably don't disagree on many of them, but the way that I read it (you said it was Tour), is you doing it multiple times. Now maybe it was to dig at you, but that is not how I read it.
You read it wrong...sorry. Or you were looking at something completely different than what I am thinking of. Maybe I am just more attuned to his passive aggressive insults than you. I on the other hand, insult him outright. I don't beat around the bush about it.
As for the last part, I would just assume that most who want to make an assessment in anything (we can use your profession), that they would use the evidence they are presented.
Yep...that is all I can do.
Example, there were SERIOUS questions coming into the season about RG for the Browns. In fact, it wasn't even a sure thing that Teller would be the starter. Now he is considered one of if not the best guard in football.
Indeed you are correct. We couldn't tell how good he was until we saw him perform quite a bit.
So yes, with the potential of the DB in Cleveland is pretty high, but the only evidence we can use is what we currently have seen. Obviously everyone has been highly disappointed with Sendejo. Harrison has been pretty good, but has missed 6 games, and only started 7 out of 17. By talent again, Ward is the 2nd best between the two teams, but he has a hard time staying on the field, and that factors in.
Ward could even be #1....maybe. His injuries keep him from that though.
And yes, I get that a bunch of this with Tron is because of the team he is a fan of, and wanting to give it to him.
Well...he asks for it, and I oblige. Mea Culpa
But I believe that being a loyal fan (for whoever) is believing in your team and players and wanting them. And some of it comes down to fit in a system.
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"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
Now maybe it was to dig at you...
Guilty as charged!
It's Gip's modus operandi. Post an opinion... pounce on any disagreement... argue on and on and on despite any info presented in support of an alternative opinion and/or challenge to what he rarely provides to back up his... argue some more on and on... until he finally starts hurling insults, cussing, etc. and as cute as the latter can be...
I got tired of it and wasted entirely too much time engaging. Time I could have spent in tape sessions, reading about prospects or other football topics, or in exchanges with knowledgeable posters here. Posters I can learn something from and/or people who make me laugh. People with whose opinions I can disagree.... and they mine... discuss, debate and even if we don't come to a meeting of minds, then walk away having heard and respected each other's takes, i.e., Win-Win exchanges.
As I have told Gipper before, he simply doesn't meet my criteria. So I have consigned him to the Browns Board's Phantom Zone.
But surely you know all the above by now.
That you must yet continue to engage in a civil, eloquent, patient manner is why I've Sainted you.
That said... I have always recognized Gipper for the positive contributions he does make here... the trivia threads, his "surveys". They all take time to assemble and post.
Once upon a time they were among the things I most liked about this site. I simply chose to not participate in them any longer... wouldn't seem right... at least not on a regular basis.
Guilty as charged!
It's Gip's modus operandi. Post an opinion... pounce on any disagreement... argue on and on and on despite any info presented in support of an alternative opinion and/or challenge to what he rarely provides to back up his... argue some more on and on... until he finally starts hurling insults, cussing, etc. and as cute as the latter can be...
I got tired of it and wasted entirely too much time engaging. Time I could have spent in tape sessions, reading about prospects or other football topics, or in exchanges with knowledgeable posters here. Posters I can learn something from and/or people who make me laugh. People with whose opinions I can disagree.... and they mine... discuss, debate and even if we don't come to a meeting of minds, then walk away having heard and respected each other's takes, i.e., Win-Win exchanges.
Actually, I very much have back and forth with many people....arguments, discussions etc. I admit I am sometimes wrong, and I also stick to my guns when I believe I am right. . But...you see, I am TOO Big of a personality for you. Your arrogance makes you feel actually that you cannot have people forcibly disagree with you. You hate to be told you are wrong far more than I hate to be told I am wrong. Perhaps it is our respective training. I believe you are an engineer. In that world everything is an absolute...you HAVE to be right. You cannot accept a diverse opinion....because, and I understand, the mathematical world is all about absolutes. My world is totally the opposite. My training is in politics and law. And while certainly some laws can be considered ironclad....there is ALWAYs an argument over the interpretation of those laws when there is a dispute. And in politics...well, I suspect you know the story there when it comes to a difference of opinion. The thing is....at least in adversarial situations, there is always two sides, two...or more opinions, two arguments. I understand the nature of that. And often, as far as "sports talk" is concerned....this is far more comparable to my realm than yours. But it seems you have a problem dealing with it. And that IS your problem. Why it makes you so pusillanimous, I don't know.
As I have told Gipper before, he simply doesn't meet my criteria. So I have consigned him to the Browns Board's Phantom Zone.
YOUR Criteria? You don't have any right to adopt any criteria as far as I am concerned. I am here....what do you think you can do about it?
But surely you know all the above by now.
That you must yet continue to engage in a civil, eloquent, patient manner is why I've Sainted you.
So? Someone that has normal reactions to things normal is a Saint? Who knew it was that easy.
That said... I have always recognized Gipper for the positive contributions he does make here... the trivia threads, his "surveys". They all take time to assemble and post.
Once upon a time they were among the things I most liked about this site. I simply chose to not participate in them any longer... wouldn't seem right... at least not on a regular basis.
Your admissions of fecklessness do not make you any less so.
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Nice shirt!
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And the hits just keep on coming...
Apparently we hurt JuJu's feelings... and we are responsible for Claypool's elevated sodium levels...
Claypool stands by comments, calls Browns 'totally classless'
Andrew Limberg 33 mins ago
Steelers rookie receiver is standing by his comments that the Cleveland Browns will be “clapped” by the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday.
Speaking to DAZN Canada, Claypool says, “if the Browns had won with more class, then I wouldn’t’ have been so salty.”
Claypool claims that the Browns were mocking his fellow receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster during the game and after the game.
“They were just super classless, you know against JuJu, toward JuJu with what they were saying, on the field toward the end of the game, so I’m not going to have respect that doesn’t have respect for us,” added Claypool.
Claypool stands by comments, calls Browns 'totally classless' (msn.com)
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And the hits just keep on coming...
Apparently we hurt JuJu's feelings... and we are responsible for Claypool's elevated sodium levels...
Claypool stands by comments, calls Browns 'totally classless'
Andrew Limberg 33 mins ago
Steelers rookie receiver is standing by his comments that the Cleveland Browns will be “clapped” by the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday.
Speaking to DAZN Canada, Claypool says, “if the Browns had won with more class, then I wouldn’t’ have been so salty.”
Claypool claims that the Browns were mocking his fellow receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster during the game and after the game.
“They were just super classless, you know against JuJu, toward JuJu with what they were saying, on the field toward the end of the game, so I’m not going to have respect that doesn’t have respect for us,” added Claypool.
Claypool stands by comments, calls Browns 'totally classless' (msn.com)
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And the hits just keep on coming...
Apparently we hurt JuJu's feelings... and we are responsible for Claypool's elevated sodium levels...
Claypool stands by comments, calls Browns 'totally classless'
Andrew Limberg 33 mins ago
Steelers rookie receiver is standing by his comments that the Cleveland Browns will be “clapped” by the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday.
Speaking to DAZN Canada, Claypool says, “if the Browns had won with more class, then I wouldn’t’ have been so salty.”
Claypool claims that the Browns were mocking his fellow receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster during the game and after the game.
“They were just super classless, you know against JuJu, toward JuJu with what they were saying, on the field toward the end of the game, so I’m not going to have respect that doesn’t have respect for us,” added Claypool.
Claypool stands by comments, calls Browns 'totally classless' (msn.com)
And the hits just keep on coming...
Apparently we hurt JuJu's feelings... and we are responsible for Claypool's elevated sodium levels...
Claypool claims that the Browns were mocking his fellow receiver JuJu Smith-Schuster during the game and after the game.
“They were just super classless, you know against JuJu, toward JuJu with what they were saying, on the field toward the end of the game, so I’m not going to have respect that doesn’t have respect for us,” added Claypool.
Another Alicia.......completely, wholly Clueless.
Does the term "you reap what you sow" have any meaning to this guy?
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This had nothing to do with the rivalry thread. Me saying multiple times (and I am not going to go back and find them), you have attempted (not saying that in a negative way) to do this compare players multiple times each year since Baker has been a Brown.
Again, you can have your opinion/assessment all you like. And as referenced above, we probably don't disagree on many of them, but the way that I read it (you said it was Tour), is you doing it multiple times. Now maybe it was to dig at you, but that is not how I read it.
You read it wrong...sorry. Or you were looking at something completely different than what I am thinking of. Maybe I am just more attuned to his passive aggressive insults than you. I on the other hand, insult him outright. I don't beat around the bush about it.
As for the last part, I would just assume that most who want to make an assessment in anything (we can use your profession), that they would use the evidence they are presented.
Yep...that is all I can do.
Example, there were SERIOUS questions coming into the season about RG for the Browns. In fact, it wasn't even a sure thing that Teller would be the starter. Now he is considered one of if not the best guard in football.
Indeed you are correct. We couldn't tell how good he was until we saw him perform quite a bit.
So yes, with the potential of the DB in Cleveland is pretty high, but the only evidence we can use is what we currently have seen. Obviously everyone has been highly disappointed with Sendejo. Harrison has been pretty good, but has missed 6 games, and only started 7 out of 17. By talent again, Ward is the 2nd best between the two teams, but he has a hard time staying on the field, and that factors in.
Ward could even be #1....maybe. His injuries keep him from that though.
And yes, I get that a bunch of this with Tron is because of the team he is a fan of, and wanting to give it to him.
Well...he asks for it, and I oblige. Mea Culpa
But I believe that being a loyal fan (for whoever) is believing in your team and players and wanting them. And some of it comes down to fit in a system.
The only part I am going to respond to (not meaning anything is bad) is the:
Yep, that's all I can do.
I think you missed the point. You are using the potential of the DB and saying injuries (which is obviously a fact that they have had injuries), to say it is an unknown.
But since you are comparing the two teams at present, to be fair and honest, you have to use what the Browns have shown currently. And that is a very low DB field.
If you don't want to do that and just go on potential, then you must also do the same for other teams. In fact, since it would seem to be a foregone conclusion that Jags will take Lawrence, then it would stand to reason that Jags will have the best QB in their division for sure.
You see how that can be construed. There were and still are concerns about how good Greedy is, and Delpit has not played a snap.
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The only part I am going to respond to (not meaning anything is bad) is the:
Yep, that's all I can do.
I think you missed the point. You are using the potential of the DB and saying injuries (which is obviously a fact that they have had injuries), to say it is an unknown.
But since you are comparing the two teams at present, to be fair and honest, you have to use what the Browns have shown currently. And that is a very low DB field.
If you don't want to do that and just go on potential, then you must also do the same for other teams. In fact, since it would seem to be a foregone conclusion that Jags will take Lawrence, then it would stand to reason that Jags will have the best QB in their division for sure.
You see how that can be construed. There were and still are concerns about how good Greedy is, and Delpit has not played a snap.
The only part I am going to respond to (not meaning anything is bad) is the:
Yep, that's all I can do.
I think you missed the point. You are using the potential of the DB and saying injuries (which is obviously a fact that they have had injuries), to say it is an unknown.
Well, yes...it is an unknown....to me.
But since you are comparing the two teams at present, to be fair and honest, you have to use what the Browns have shown currently. And that is a very low DB field.
OK....somewhat fair......I guess. Comparing our mostly 2d/3rd stringers to their DBs....though I think the Steelers also had some guys out....so I will give you the most honest answer I can give: I don't know how they compare. I will defer to your judgment.
If you don't want to do that and just go on potential, then you must also do the same for other teams. In fact, since it would seem to be a foregone conclusion that Jags will take Lawrence, then it would stand to reason that Jags will have the best QB in their division for sure.
Wait....I thought we were just comparing Browns vs. Steelers rosters. How did the Jags get in here? By the Way....Jags on the verge of hiring Meyer.
You see how that can be construed. There were and still are concerns about how good Greedy is, and Delpit has not played a snap.
Precisely. I don't know how good these guys are going to be. There are concerns about Greedy...but he has shown flashes. And yes, no one saw Delpit. I think he looked pretty good in college....National Champ and all that...but....
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Pittsburgh Dad.? Maybe really it's Vag.?
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Vagitron got his wish: 3 Steeler coaches OUT...including the OC.
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The only part I am going to respond to (not meaning anything is bad) is the:
Yep, that's all I can do.
I think you missed the point. You are using the potential of the DB and saying injuries (which is obviously a fact that they have had injuries), to say it is an unknown.
Well, yes...it is an unknown....to me.
But since you are comparing the two teams at present, to be fair and honest, you have to use what the Browns have shown currently. And that is a very low DB field.
OK....somewhat fair......I guess. Comparing our mostly 2d/3rd stringers to their DBs....though I think the Steelers also had some guys out....so I will give you the most honest answer I can give: I don't know how they compare. I will defer to your judgment.
If you don't want to do that and just go on potential, then you must also do the same for other teams. In fact, since it would seem to be a foregone conclusion that Jags will take Lawrence, then it would stand to reason that Jags will have the best QB in their division for sure.
Wait....I thought we were just comparing Browns vs. Steelers rosters. How did the Jags get in here? By the Way....Jags on the verge of hiring Meyer.
You see how that can be construed. There were and still are concerns about how good Greedy is, and Delpit has not played a snap.
Precisely. I don't know how good these guys are going to be. There are concerns about Greedy...but he has shown flashes. And yes, no one saw Delpit. I think he looked pretty good in college....National Champ and all that...but....
Again, you are not comprehending, whether on purpose or not (I have a feeling it's a bit of both), and it could be my fault I guess.
I am not saying that you have to agree with, or that it is a known to me or anyone else either.
What I am saying is that if you are using the current team of the Browns vs. Steelers (for example Teller), then you are basing that assessment on this past season. So it's only fair to assess vs. Steelers the same way. So sure, there is no question that by potential the Browns DB should improve next year, but if you are going to rate one off of performance, it's disingenuous to cop out to another because it won't fit your narrative or to use not seeing enough, or whatever justification you want to use like that.
And nobody is comparing the Jags to anyone. Just pointing out that by just pointing at potential would give that impression, based on many variables (i.e. draft position, college success, and draft grade). Point being there have been COUNTLESS players who have came into the league with loads of potential, looked GREAT in college, and for a multitude of reasons didn't pan out.
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Again, you are not comprehending, whether on purpose or not (I have a feeling it's a bit of both), and it could be my fault I guess.
I am not saying that you have to agree with, or that it is a known to me or anyone else either.
What I am saying is that if you are using the current team of the Browns vs. Steelers (for example Teller), then you are basing that assessment on this past season. So it's only fair to assess vs. Steelers the same way. So sure, there is no question that by potential the Browns DB should improve next year, but if you are going to rate one off of performance, it's disingenuous to cop out to another because it won't fit your narrative or to use not seeing enough, or whatever justification you want to use like that.
And nobody is comparing the Jags to anyone. Just pointing out that by just pointing at potential would give that impression, based on many variables (i.e. draft position, college success, and draft grade). Point being there have been COUNTLESS players who have came into the league with loads of potential, looked GREAT in college, and for a multitude of reasons didn't pan out.
Again, you are not comprehending, whether on purpose or not (I have a feeling it's a bit of both), and it could be my fault I guess.
I am not saying that you have to agree with, or that it is a known to me or anyone else either.
What I am saying is that if you are using the current team of the Browns vs. Steelers (for example Teller), then you are basing that assessment on this past season. So it's only fair to assess vs. Steelers the same way. So sure, there is no question that by potential the Browns DB should improve next year, but if you are going to rate one off of performance, it's disingenuous to cop out to another because it won't fit your narrative or to use not seeing enough, or whatever justification you want to use like that.
And nobody is comparing the Jags to anyone. Just pointing out that by just pointing at potential would give that impression, based on many variables (i.e. draft position, college success, and draft grade). Point being there have been COUNTLESS players who have came into the league with loads of potential, looked GREAT in college, and for a multitude of reasons didn't pan out.
I do understand....I am just here doing my own thing.
If that's alright with you. (even if it isn't)
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Again, you are not comprehending, whether on purpose or not (I have a feeling it's a bit of both), and it could be my fault I guess.
I am not saying that you have to agree with, or that it is a known to me or anyone else either.
What I am saying is that if you are using the current team of the Browns vs. Steelers (for example Teller), then you are basing that assessment on this past season. So it's only fair to assess vs. Steelers the same way. So sure, there is no question that by potential the Browns DB should improve next year, but if you are going to rate one off of performance, it's disingenuous to cop out to another because it won't fit your narrative or to use not seeing enough, or whatever justification you want to use like that.
And nobody is comparing the Jags to anyone. Just pointing out that by just pointing at potential would give that impression, based on many variables (i.e. draft position, college success, and draft grade). Point being there have been COUNTLESS players who have came into the league with loads of potential, looked GREAT in college, and for a multitude of reasons didn't pan out.
I do understand....I am just here doing my own thing.
If that's alright with you. (even if it isn't)
I do understand....I am just here doing my own thing.
If that's alright with you. (even if it isn't)
you really have to do something with that piss yellow
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I spelled chaos wrong like a dumbass but made this with love
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I spelled chaos wrong like a dumbass but made this with love
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I spelled chaos wrong like a dumbass but made this with love
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That’s great! Well done man, and thank you!
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