Tired of these free-agent signings...
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re: my name: i'm jewish and italian. it's been my nickname for 10 years. it's part of my identity and i'd ask you to not denigrate it, please, without knowing me.Funny thing is, from the first time I read you name I just asumed you were Jewish and Italian. Made sense to me.
Spell it Judago and maybe you wont have as much trouble.
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injuries aren't a GM's fault, though. it's only his job to put the talent on the field. it's then the coaching staff's job to make them better and keep them healthy.i agree that the draft is definitely the best way to build a team and that trading picks year after year is a horrible idea and wipes out your team's long-term potency. i'm still mad about trading a pick to get hubbard. what an awful decision.
free agency is an integral part of today's NFL, though. and when players like suggs come along, guys who can dominate and change the course of an entire game, it's my philosophy that they're worth pursuing. you can't do it all the time, but sometimes you need to. i think this is one of those times. there just aren't a lot of guys who can get to the QB, and right now we don't have any.
rogers can't carry the D by himself forever.
@diehard: buffy? huh?
My daughter used to watch "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" which occurred in SunnyDale, CA.
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Except giving up a 2nd Round pick and $16.3M in guaranteed money.By the way, Corey's roster bonus in the spring is $6M, larger than either DA or Stallworth's.
This is true, though I think the sacks argument gets overplayed a little bit.
And while Williams may be a good 3-4 DE next year, young Kendall Langford should improve even more & be significantly cheaper.
Second rounder, yes. But you kind of covered some of the rational already.
16.3M guaranteed, if CLE hasn't given him that money yet, it ain't guaranteed. Just like part of DA's guaranteed money was performance bonuses (that he won't reach) and that 5M roster bonus that he doesn't see if he is cut.
Yeah, he was over paid, but when you put in perspective of what guy like Kelly in OAK and a few other guys got, it's not that bad. Langford got a 20.5M 5 year deal as an total unknown comodity in the NFL. 18M less but with more unknown.
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i'm still mad about trading a pick to get hubbard. what an awful decision.I am not saying it was a good move, but that's a guy you won't know for 2-3 years if it will pan out. He just started playing football a couple of years ago. WRs that late are development guys.
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@ die hard: no shit. great movie, so-so show. david boreanz (angel) is great on bones.
@ masters: "hands of stone" guys are always like that. michael jackson, travis wilson, even braylon. guys that drop balls always drop balls, but you can teach someone how to get open.
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Yeah, he was over paid, but when you put in perspective of what guy like Kelly in OAK and a few other guys got, it's not that bad.We cannot point to what Al Davis does and say "Savage wasn't as bad as he was." We just cannot.
Just noting a giant contract out there this offseason. I could use Tommie Harris at 4 year $40M for the Bears who has missed two games, has less tackles than Williams or Langford, and has the same number of sacks as Langford. All I am saying is it's all relative.
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Not sure you're 100% right on that. Anyway, Williams' $6.5M signing bonus definitely isn't coming back.\ said:
Second rounder, yes. But you kind of covered some of the rational already.16.3M guaranteed, if CLE hasn't given him that money yet, it ain't guaranteed. Just like part of DA's guaranteed money was performance bonuses (that he won't reach) and that 5M roster bonus that he doesn't see if he is cut.
Yeah, he was over paid, but when you put in perspective of what guy like Kelly in OAK and a few other guys got, it's not that bad. Langford got a 20.5M 5 year deal as an total unknown comodity in the NFL. 18M less but with more unknown.
As someone already said, Al Davis is crazy.And those aren't Kendall Langford's contract numbers. They're Randy Starks', who's become a nice rotational player on Miami's 3-4 DL.
Langford's contract numbers weren't released. But Kevin Smith, who went two picks ahead of him, received a 3 year, $1.79M deal. Instead of a $6.5M signing bonus, Smith received $649K.
So Langford would have been much cheaper. Or we could have brought in Langford & Randy Starks, which would have also provided better depth at a lower price.
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@ die hard: no shit. great movie, so-so show. david boreanz (angel) is great on bones.@ masters: "hands of stone" guys are always like that. michael jackson, travis wilson, even braylon. guys that drop balls always drop balls, but you can teach someone how to get open.
I'd debate that a bit. Only in Jackson, Wilson, and Edwards are guys that have been playing and being coached since HS or earlier. They've shown they can't learn or don't listen. With Hubbard, you're talking about a dude that has been only playing or being coached to play WR since 2 years ago. So he's not exactly been taught the fundementals of playing WR (how to truly catch, turn for balls, etc.). Not saying he won't still fall under the same catagory of those other guys, but the jury is out on him.
Oh, and TO used to drop a but ton of balls, Moss too. For some guys it's concentration. Like how BE can make the rediculously hard catch but drop the easy. Put's focus on the hard and goes brain dead on the easy. I am like that with pool. Can make a rediculous hard shot time and time again, yet muff a ball sitting in front of a pocket. I get lax on the fundimentals on the easy stuff.
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Not sure you're 100% right on that. Anyway, Williams' $6.5M signing bonus definitely isn't coming back.\ said:
Second rounder, yes. But you kind of covered some of the rational already.16.3M guaranteed, if CLE hasn't given him that money yet, it ain't guaranteed. Just like part of DA's guaranteed money was performance bonuses (that he won't reach) and that 5M roster bonus that he doesn't see if he is cut.
Yeah, he was over paid, but when you put in perspective of what guy like Kelly in OAK and a few other guys got, it's not that bad. Langford got a 20.5M 5 year deal as an total unknown comodity in the NFL. 18M less but with more unknown.
As someone already said, Al Davis is crazy.And those aren't Kendall Langford's contract numbers. They're Randy Starks', who's become a nice rotational player on Miami's 3-4 DL.
Langford's contract numbers weren't released. But Kevin Smith, who went two picks ahead of him, received a 3 year, $1.79M deal. Instead of a $6.5M signing bonus, Smith received $649K.
So Langford would have been much cheaper. Or we could have brought in Langford & Randy Starks, which would have also provided better depth at a lower price.
That's how it works. Basically in one of the DA threads I break down his and Williams is the same setup. But that 6.5M ain't coming back or his salary for this year.
See my other note on the Kelly contract example. All relative.
My bad. What I can find for Langford is he 295K in salary and 782K in signing bonus money, spread out over this year.
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while it's true that hubbard may just need coaching, i don't trust this staff at all to give it to him. and TO still drops tons of balls. some guys never learn. the sideline catch that hubbard made in the preseason was impressive, though.Oh trusting this coaching staff is a whole other story...lol
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So Langford would have been much cheaper. Or we could have brought in Langford & Randy Starks, which would have also provided better depth at a lower price.This is EXACTLY why the Dolphins are already ahead of us in "rebuilding" efforts. They understand how to build from the ground up, instead of plugging in high-priced free agent du jour and hope he pans out.
Parcells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Savage. Well duh.
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So Langford would have been much cheaper. Or we could have brought in Langford & Randy Starks, which would have also provided better depth at a lower price.This is EXACTLY why the Dolphins are already ahead of us in "rebuilding" efforts. They understand how to build from the ground up, instead of plugging in high-priced free agent du jour and hope he pans out.
Parcells >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Savage. Well duh.
Miami found gold when Favre agreed to play for the Jets and Pennington fell into their laps.
Now they can focus on key elements of the team without worrying about a QB - at least not right away.
Policy and Company blew it when they didn't take the Ditka trade and, instead, drafted Couch (and like Stan said - Johnson, Abdullah and all the other incremental pick stiffs).
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Gee, those same things about the dolphins being ahead of us were said before....and then they had to blow everything up and start over. Let's see we were 10-6 last year...you think they will be 10-6 this year? Let me see them suceed two years in a row before you tell me how great they are..same was said about SF. We were told they were doing better than the Browns in rebuilding too...and where are they now?
This "you can turn a team around in two years" thing is a MYTH. Any team that has done it was either A) not as bad as it seemed the year before. or
got lucky.I grant you. for after 4 years to nt be farther than we are is concerning. But Miami IS NOT that far ahead of us. One injury to a creaky pennington, and they are in trouble.
No doubt JADBF, no doubt.
Plus, it's a Parcel's team. He did the same thing in DAL in year one (yes folks, Jerry Jones did listen to him the first couple of years). Their coach is a Parcels type guy. They are getting the most out of people.
At the end of the day, MIA is giving up 1 less point per game than CLE (w/ "a weaker schedule"). Not to mention, how do you not do better than a 1 win season. You put Parcel's and Spags in CLE, I would be willing to wager CLE's record is a lot better.
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I think savage has done a decent job as far as providing talent to the browns but its the coaching staff that has failed this team in an unacceptable manner i would have been more impressed with savage if he had fired RAC and his crew of lazy slobs at the bye week...
The team really doesnt need a complete overhaul it just needs a real coaching staff to provide a few adjustments to a few players bad attitudes thats all...
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An anonymous NFL scout confirms what Flugel & others have been saying about drafting d-linemen for the 3-4.
“Look what Bill Parcells did in Dallas and Miami. Look at all the picks he spent on the defensive line. He stocked up on five-techniques — he drafted Chris Canty, Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher (in Dallas). They brought in Jason Ferguson. He goes to Miami and drafts Phillip Merling, Kendall Langford and brought Ferguson with him again. You think that position might be important?”
Then again, Savage's mistake was listening to Crennel when he said the Browns should go OLB over DE-NT in '06.
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An anonymous NFL scout confirms what Flugel & others have been saying about drafting d-linemen for the 3-4.
“Look what Bill Parcells did in Dallas and Miami. Look at all the picks he spent on the defensive line. He stocked up on five-techniques — he drafted Chris Canty, Marcus Spears, Jason Hatcher (in Dallas). They brought in Jason Ferguson. He goes to Miami and drafts Phillip Merling, Kendall Langford and brought Ferguson with him again. You think that position might be important?”
Then again, Savage's mistake was listening to Crennel when he said the Browns should go OLB over DE-NT in '06.
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