Pittsburgh Issues
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Dwayne Haskins = Cardale Jones = JaMarcus Russell... Glad they did it
Yeah, no, no and no other than skin color.
Cardale has all the physical talent and by accounts the work ethic, he just doesn't have the eyes. Dwayne has the physical and mental talent, just not the work ethic. Jamarcus had a cannon, no touch, no mental game and was obviously incredibly lazy.
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Dwayne Haskins = Cardale Jones = JaMarcus Russell... Glad they did it
Yeah, no, no and no other than skin color.
Cardale has all the physical talent and by accounts the work ethic, he just doesn't have the eyes. Dwayne has the physical and mental talent, just not the work ethic. Jamarcus had a cannon, no touch, no mental game and was obviously incredibly lazy.
and was obviously incredibly lazy.
It's the curse of the incredibly gifted athlete.
So much success comes so easily that working at their play isn't required. So they never learn how to... happens to many players... at many positions, but none more spectacularly than QBs. From JaMarcus to Leaf in the extreme to Jeff George and Leinart in the less extreme to a group who succeeded, but still left plenty of achievement on the table. Namath strikes me as being in the latter group.
So many who are less gifted surpass them... Sipe, Kosar, Brees, even Baker and arguably Brady, Montana.
When gifts are paired with work ethic, then you have the very special... Manning, Elway, Luck, Mahomes, Rodgers, Big Ben...
However, I don't think players are fated to stay in one group. Some develop good or better study-habits that elevate their games. We may be seeing this with Allen in BUF.
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If he couldn't make it in Washington, how is he going to make it in Pittsburgh?
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If he couldn't make it in Washington, how is he going to make it in Pittsburgh?
If he couldn't make it in Washington, how is he going to make it in Pittsburgh?
Hardwork in the film room and practice field would be a good start.
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If he couldn't make it in Washington, how is he going to make it in Pittsburgh?
Hardwork in the film room and practice field would be a good start.
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Unless he decides to wake up and become capable of realistic self-evaluation and choose to work towards personal improvement, he won't get off the practice squad
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Hell, they don't even know if Ben will be back.
He will be back and I highly doubt he's paid what he's owed. If he really wants guys like juju back he's going to need to sign an extension on a qualifying level with voidable years and bring his hit down. Tomlin is also doing these hires in the right way, bringing in a line coach before he hires an OC to make sure they jive and the candidates are pretty good. Fraley for the line and possibly pep hamilton at OC. Ben has already said he wants to be back so the only way he doesn't return is if the Steelers don't want him.
He will be back and I highly doubt he's paid what he's owed. If he really wants guys like juju back he's going to need to sign an extension on a qualifying level with voidable years and bring his hit down. Tomlin is also doing these hires in the right way, bringing in a line coach before he hires an OC to make sure they jive and the candidates are pretty good. Fraley for the line and possibly pep hamilton at OC. Ben has already said he wants to be back so the only way he doesn't return is if the Steelers don't want him.
Emmm, doesn't sound good.
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The fact is the Steelers have a number of issues for next season, many of which have been discussed this morning on the TV sports talk shows:
1. There in Ben Rs salary. He is set to make 41 million. He says he is willing to take a massive pay cut. Per what I heard, per whatever rules, the least that he can take is 23 million.** But apparently even doing that would still put them at least 14 million over the cap...and they would have to trim to get down to there.
2. They may do that by the following: They may lose all of the following for next year: Conner, Dupree, Smith-Shuster who are Free Agents. Letting them go would mean losing those salaries. BUT if they want to keep TJ Watt and Minkah Fitzpatrick in the future it is time to sign them to extensions, which they may not be able to do with that cap space even if BR cuts his salary to the 23 million.
***I also hear that the NFLPA may intervene and say: BR, no way should you even think of taking that kind of a cut. They don't want to see QBs taking massive pay cuts. Of course, they may not care that if he is cut outright that he could go from 41 million to -0-. After all, if they did cut BR...who is going to sign him....in this atmosphere of many, many other younger QBs being available. He would probably have to retire.
3. They may be losing a chunk of their O-Line and have to rebuild there. Pouncey may retire. Villanueva may be gone. They have a rebuilding job there......and I think most people say that is not what you want to do with a 40 year old QB.
4. BR's skill set, even if they find a way to bring him back, is questionable. He no longer has the pocket mobility to avoid tacklers, nor can he shed those tacklers like he could when he was younger where he was one of the best ever at that. Also, as one guy on TV described it : He has become Checkdown Charlie. He can rarely spread the field with downfield passes like he once could.
5. Should they punt on BR? Let him go and go after another QB? Problem is they are NOT in a position to go after the two primary guys that may be available in a trade, either Watson or Stafford. Not and keep a team around them. No cap space. Plus, they don't have the resources. They would probably have to trade some of their top assets: Watt/Fitzpatrick/Claypool, plus multiple first round picks to get either of them. And what top FA QB can they sign? Prescott could ask like 35 million. They would have to come in around that 23 mill figure to get a QB...and the top FAs will go for far more. And if they do punt on BR....do they decide to "rebuild"? Do they give a chance to either Rudolph or Haskins who they have now? Do they draft a first round QB?
6. They don't have a running game to speak of. Conner may be gone and wasn't all that to begin with. They have a promising young guy from Maryland...McFarland, plus they have Snell and Samuels. Meh to those two. They likely will have to get lucky in the draft in a lower round.
7. Does Joe Haden have anything left? They have Minkah, but beyond that? again, meh.
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I thought Rudolph played rather well in the regular season finale. There were a couple passes where he wasn’t on the same page as his receiver, but aside from that he made some big time throws that game.
I would guess they let Ben give it a go if he wants one more shot at it, and they’ll restructure or do whatever needs to happen to make that happen. But Rudolph may be their dude going forward after Ben hangs it up.
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Ben is not going to make it slinging it 40+ times a game.
They need to fix their line and I don’t know how they do that given their constraints.
A good all purpose back would help.
They need to nail the draft
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He will be back and I highly doubt he's paid what he's owed. If he really wants guys like juju back he's going to need to sign an extension on a qualifying level with voidable years and bring his hit down. Tomlin is also doing these hires in the right way, bringing in a line coach before he hires an OC to make sure they jive and the candidates are pretty good. Fraley for the line and possibly pep hamilton at OC. Ben has already said he wants to be back so the only way he doesn't return is if the Steelers don't want him.
Emmm, doesn't sound good.
Emmm, doesn't sound good.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season. I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back. John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract. He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
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BINGO!
Here is the difference nickers. He signed a contract with the steelers for vet minimum with ZERO guarantees. Soooooo you can't compare him to any of those guys. He's absolutely zero risk for the Steelers and anyone trying to paint it as a negative is being weird.
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Even if they cut Ben he still will count $23 million against the cap in dead money.
I don't know what gipper said but ben isn't being paid what his contract states. He's on record as is Art Rooney 2 that he cant come back on his current contract. I expect him to take a substantial pay cut, especially because he's saying he wants juju back.
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Ben is not going to make it slinging it 40+ times a game.
They need to fix their line and I don’t know how they do that given their constraints.
A good all purpose back would help.
They need to nail the draft
Ben is not going to make it slinging it 40+ times a game.
They need to fix their line and I don’t know how they do that given their constraints.
A good all purpose back would help.
They need to nail the draft
Are you guys paying attention to what is going on? A lot of this is out there on the national level. He's taking a pay cut, how much of one is unknown. Vance retiring immediately opened up over 5M and DeCastro and Heyward are supposedly going to restructure. All of which has opened the door to speculation that the Steelers could be as much as 30M under the cap. If Harris is there at 24 he very well could be the pick or they go lineman and I assume at this point if Ben comes back he's going to convince Pouncey to not retire. The issues aren't as rampant with Ben saying "i don't care about what I'm paid" on the record as people are making it out to be at this point.
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Emmm, doesn't sound good.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season. I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back. John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract. He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
What doesn't sound good? lol
He is now on the record saying he doesn't care what he's paid next season. I have no idea what they are going to do but AR2 said he can't be back on his current contract. Im personally expecting a steep discount and guys we thought might be gone coming back.
Boy you must really be high. See the thread on this matter. Even if BR accepts the 23 mill minimum, that still leaves them 14 mill over. You still have to cut a bunch.
John Clayton is also saying that because the cap didn't really go up he won't be surprised to see Dupree sign a very inexpensive deal (clayton said 6M) for one year to prove his knee is fine and then sign a bigger contract.
You and Clayton must be on LSD. Do you really think guys are going to go way way lowball just to stick with The Steelers? This ain't the 70s.
He's ahead of schedule and should be good to go for training camp. There is literally nothing bad happening with the Steelers right now until proven otherwise.
Right now....January 29, 2021? No. Wait till the new NFL year starts. St. Patrick's Day may have a whole new meaning in Pisstown
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