Don't Bet Against Quinn
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@shepwrite said:
C'mon, it's Notre Dame. They get players.But almost nobody would dispute the truth of those two Quinn-led teams, that they were beyond abysmal on defense and couldn't match up in the trenches with any Top 20 type of team. They got bullied.
Quinn had decent skill talent around him, but that might be generous. None of them is making any impact on the next level and it was often pointed out that those ND receivers couldn't separate from big-time corners. Jeff S. was slated for round 2 or 3 before he realized himself that he'd never get open in the NFL.
As far as I know, that wasn't part of the equation. My understanding is that it was more of the Dave Winfield calculus: in baseball, you play longer & don't wreck your body.
As far as ND's talent, people justified Willingham's firing based on the claim that he wasn't bringing in "players". In reality, it seems like he was bringing in talented guys, just not the volume of players needed to consistently compete. Remember, one of the recruits ND lost when Willingham was fired was a guy named Brian Cushing.
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@shepwrite said:
C'mon, it's Notre Dame. They get players.But almost nobody would dispute the truth of those two Quinn-led teams, that they were beyond abysmal on defense and couldn't match up in the trenches with any Top 20 type of team. They got bullied.
Quinn had decent skill talent around him, but that might be generous. None of them is making any impact on the next level and it was often pointed out that those ND receivers couldn't separate from big-time corners. Jeff S. was slated for round 2 or 3 before he realized himself that he'd never get open in the NFL.
As far as I know, that wasn't part of the equation. My understanding is that it was more of the Dave Winfield calculus: in baseball, you play longer & don't wreck your body.
As far as ND's talent, people justified Willingham's firing based on the claim that he wasn't bringing in "players". In reality, it seems like he was bringing in talented guys, just not the volume of players needed to consistently compete. Remember, one of the recruits ND lost when Willingham was fired was a guy named Brian Cushing.
re: Samardzija
Aloysius said:
As far as I know, that wasn't part of the equation. My understanding is that it was more of the Dave Winfield calculus: in baseball, you play longer & don't wreck your body.Yeah that, plus he throws gas. And at 6'5" he's halfway to the plate before he even lets go.
..Samardzija's fastball was clocked at 97 mph..
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Quinn played with all these guys. He also played with guys like Ryan Grant of the Packers who wasn't drafted and also Jeff "the man responsible for Brady Quinn's career" Samardzija
Okay, what's the point?
2008 5 157 Roy Schuening OG Rams
2008 7 243 Joey LaRocque ILB Bears
2007 2 64 Sabby Piscitelli S Buccaneers
2007 6 189 Adam Koets OT Giants
2006 6 171 Mike Hass WR Saints
2006 6 178 Keith Ellison LB Bills
2005 6 184 Bill Swancutt DE Lions
2005 6 213 Derek Anderson QB Ravens
2005 7 254 Doug Nienhuis OT Seahawks
2004 1 24 Steven Jackson RB Rams
2004 2 51 Dwan Edwards DT Ravens
2004 4 109 Tim Euhus TE Bills
2004 4 127 Richard Seigler LB 49ers
2003 1 29 Nick Barnett LB Packers
2003 4 98 Dennis Weathersby CB Bengals
2003 5 147 James Lee DT Packers
2002 3 82 James Allen LB Saints
2001 2 36 Chad Johnson WR Bengals
2001 3 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Raiders
2001 6 185 Mitch White OT Saints
2001 7 204 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR Bengals
And these are Derek's players.
Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow are responsible for DA's one hit wonder of a year.
So what's your point, jackass? I can play this game too.
Okay, what's the point?
2008 5 157 Roy Schuening OG Rams
2008 7 243 Joey LaRocque ILB Bears
2007 2 64 Sabby Piscitelli S Buccaneers
2007 6 189 Adam Koets OT Giants
2006 6 171 Mike Hass WR Saints
2006 6 178 Keith Ellison LB Bills
2005 6 184 Bill Swancutt DE Lions
2005 6 213 Derek Anderson QB Ravens
2005 7 254 Doug Nienhuis OT Seahawks
2004 1 24 Steven Jackson RB Rams
2004 2 51 Dwan Edwards DT Ravens
2004 4 109 Tim Euhus TE Bills
2004 4 127 Richard Seigler LB 49ers
2003 1 29 Nick Barnett LB Packers
2003 4 98 Dennis Weathersby CB Bengals
2003 5 147 James Lee DT Packers
2002 3 82 James Allen LB Saints
2001 2 36 Chad Johnson WR Bengals
2001 3 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Raiders
2001 6 185 Mitch White OT Saints
2001 7 204 T.J. Houshmandzadeh WR Bengals
And these are Derek's players.
Braylon Edwards and Kellen Winslow are responsible for DA's one hit wonder of a year.
So what's your point, jackass? I can play this game too.
Right off the top, I see at least a couple names that finished their eligibility at OSU while DA was in high school. TJ, CJ, Mitch White and DeLawrence Grant come to mind, La Rocque wasn't even at OSU 'til DAs second year in the NFL, there 's at least one more that he didn't actually start with.
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@shepwrite said:
C'mon, it's Notre Dame. They get players.But almost nobody would dispute the truth of those two Quinn-led teams, that they were beyond abysmal on defense and couldn't match up in the trenches with any Top 20 type of team. They got bullied.
Quinn had decent skill talent around him, but that might be generous. None of them is making any impact on the next level and it was often pointed out that those ND receivers couldn't separate from big-time corners. Jeff S. was slated for round 2 or 3 before he realized himself that he'd never get open in the NFL.
As far as I know, that wasn't part of the equation. My understanding is that it was more of the Dave Winfield calculus: in baseball, you play longer & don't wreck your body.
As far as ND's talent, people justified Willingham's firing based on the claim that he wasn't bringing in "players". In reality, it seems like he was bringing in talented guys, just not the volume of players needed to consistently compete. Remember, one of the recruits ND lost when Willingham was fired was a guy named Brian Cushing.
Aloysius said:
As far as ND's talent, people justified Willingham's firing based on the claim that he wasn't bringing in "players". In reality, it seems like he was bringing in talented guys, just not the volume of players needed to consistently compete. Remember, one of the recruits ND lost when Willingham was fired was a guy named Brian Cushing.You are correct. Do a little research on Willingham's (lack of) OL recruits and you will see why he got fired.
It really is that simple.
Despite all the BS media sensationalism about race being an issue in the dismissal of the "Molder of Men," many of the same sports media playing the race card didn't expect much from ND the next year because "the cupboards were bare." Well, I wonder how they got that way.
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Aloysius said:
As far as ND's talent, people justified Willingham's firing based on the claim that he wasn't bringing in "players". In reality, it seems like he was bringing in talented guys, just not the volume of players needed to consistently compete. Remember, one of the recruits ND lost when Willingham was fired was a guy named Brian Cushing.You are correct. Do a little research on Willingham's (lack of) OL recruits and you will see why he got fired.
It really is that simple.
Despite all the BS media sensationalism about race being an issue in the dismissal of the "Molder of Men," many of the same sports media playing the race card didn't expect much from ND the next year because "the cupboards were bare." Well, I wonder how they got that way.
You are correct. Do a little research on Willingham's (lack of) OL recruits and you will see why he got fired.
It really is that simple.
Despite all the BS media sensationalism about race being an issue in the dismissal of the "Molder of Men," many of the same sports media playing the race card didn't expect much from ND the next year because "the cupboards were bare." Well, I wonder how they got that way.
Eggs-actly. And I think Willingham was recently fired again.
Loverboy was the biggest Romeo Crennel fan I've ever seen mainly because they shared queer eye for the confused QB. All this stuff about Ty's firing and race is getting Loverboy excited about a stronger alibi than Hurricane Ike as we count down the final days of Dumb Ass starting. You know RAC was terrible when Reverend Al Sharpton confronted Randy Lerner about the firing with this question: "what took you so long?"
- Tom F.
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Quinn actually spoke out when Willingham was fired:
Tim Prister said:
Quarterback Brady Quinn, who had a close relationship with Willingham, had this to say to reporters: "Think about it: It's not even allowing one of his recruiting classes to get all the way through." -
Re: Notre Dame's talent...
In his fourth NFL season, Stovall finally appears to be rounding into form. Here are his stats from the first quarter of tonight's preseason game:
6 receptions, 74 yards.Leftwich seems to be in love with him. -
Re: Notre Dame's talent...
In his fourth NFL season, Stovall finally appears to be rounding into form. Here are his stats from the first quarter of tonight's preseason game:
6 receptions, 74 yards.Leftwich seems to be in love with him.Aloysius said:
Re: Notre Dame's talent...In his fourth NFL season, Stovall finally appears to be rounding into form. Here are his stats from the first quarter of tonight's preseason game:
6 receptions, 74 yards.Leftwich seems to be in love with him.We've talked about Fasano too, Al. He's having a solid career in the NFL. But even still as a Jr., Samardzija was the receiving leader in every category, grabbing about 10 more catches, for 100 more yards & 4 more TD's than the next guy (Stovall with Fasano in tow).
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I have stayed out of this QB debate on purpose. I don't really have a dog in the fight (sorry Michael Vick and PETA).
That said, the problem with QB competition is this (and I think it applies here).
Frequently, you're trying to distinguish whether one guy is better than another when they really are about the same. It's like trying to guess which five gallon jar has more jelly beans. Probably one does but they're so close...you can't tell the difference. In the end, they may have different traits but (on average) they'll grade out about the same.
This isn't to say that one couldn't be better down the road but RIGHT NOW...they're the same.
So I say pick the one whose downside you can live with and let him get snaps with the 1's before the Minnesota game.
Just my opinion.
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I have stayed out of this QB debate on purpose. I don't really have a dog in the fight (sorry Michael Vick and PETA).
That said, the problem with QB competition is this (and I think it applies here).
Frequently, you're trying to distinguish whether one guy is better than another when they really are about the same. It's like trying to guess which five gallon jar has more jelly beans. Probably one does but they're so close...you can't tell the difference. In the end, they may have different traits but (on average) they'll grade out about the same.
This isn't to say that one couldn't be better down the road but RIGHT NOW...they're the same.
So I say pick the one whose downside you can live with and let him get snaps with the 1's before the Minnesota game.
Just my opinion.
I have stayed out of this QB debate on purpose. I don't really have a dog in the fight (sorry Michael Vick and PETA).
That said, the problem with QB competition is this (and I think it applies here).
Frequently, you're trying to distinguish whether one guy is better than another when they really are about the same. It's like trying to guess which five gallon jar has more jelly beans. Probably one does but they're so close...you can't tell the difference. In the end, they may have different traits but (on average) they'll grade out about the same.
This isn't to say that one couldn't be better down the road but RIGHT NOW...they're the same.
So I say pick the one whose downside you can live with and let him get snaps with the 1's before the Minnesota game.
Just my opinion.
Very good point earl the only real difference between them is DA has started 28 games and BQ has started 3 games as a pro it only makes sense that bq would likely get considerably better than DA if he gets the time to develop to where DA may give us the best chance to win in the shortrun bq is more likely to be theanswer in the mid to longrun of the season...
Film doesnt lie and DA is extremely one dimensional this is a recipe for a repeat of last year...
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