The 2021 Click-bait, Mock Draft Collection Thread
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Nixon, huh? Interesting.
Much like how the RB position is now valued, with fewer and fewer picks in the top 50 because such great production can be found that doesn't include a high price tag for a position with the shortest life-span in the NFL. AGREEd
My point being, the Gmen won 2 Superbowl's in that stretch not investing a single 1st round pick on IDL. They drafted edge rushers and found effective talent in the mid to later rounds to supplement the outside production because an Aaron Donald simply wasn't available. I guess, in a way, I also view the QB position the same. If I'm not 100% convinced that I've found THE guy, then I'm not going to address the position unless BPA severely dictates it or I can leverage my draft board to achieve similar production at a better value for the position. I'm just a believer that those assets can be invested elsewhere while finding talent for IDL later. Unless of course Nixon looks like the next Aaron Donald.
As for the mock position layout.. We'd be scrambling to replace LB Mack Wilson again going into the 5th.Mack was taken #155 in 5th/ while we own #169 this draft.
We could certainly take LB over DT in the 1st...much prefer if the value sits there..
Nixon is no Donald...but if we get a Johnathan Allen type DT from it? I'm OK with a 17th overall pick DT value, picking 26th
As for the mock position layout.. We'd be scrambling to replace LB Mack Wilson again going into the 5th.Mack was taken #155 in 5th/ while we own #169 this draft.
We could certainly take LB over DT in the 1st...much prefer if the value sits there..
Nixon is no Danald...but if we get a Johnathan Allen type DT from it? I'm OK with a 17th pick DT value
Re: The bolded - yeah, I'm good with that. Mack is the worst LB on this team and it isn't close right now.
With Billings, Elliot and possibly Jobi in the fold, I need a DI that gives me the pass rush push long term. That 3-tech to replace Sheldon in time. If you can't find it, then don't try to draft it high.
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@tiamat63 if you told me I'm sure I agreed. Mo was a rare IDL that could get pressure up on the QB. Michigan has been struggling to replace that for years.
Also, the only reason Mo went that late I'd because they found some heart condition / irregularity during his medical at the combine. Teams get nervous and he dropped.
@tiamat63 if you told me I'm sure I agreed. Mo was a rare IDL that could get pressure up on the QB. Michigan has been struggling to replace that for years.
Also, the only reason Mo went that late I'd because they found some heart condition / irregularity during his medical at the combine. Teams get nervous and he dropped.
Yes, well aware of that. I believe we even spoke about it. His size at the time (270ish) was also a concern.
Gary is a solid player, but Mo and Bush were the heart and soul of that defense for a couple years.
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@tiamat63 if you told me I'm sure I agreed. Mo was a rare IDL that could get pressure up on the QB. Michigan has been struggling to replace that for years.
Also, the only reason Mo went that late I'd because they found some heart condition / irregularity during his medical at the combine. Teams get nervous and he dropped.
Yes, well aware of that. I believe we even spoke about it. His size at the time (270ish) was also a concern.
Gary is a solid player, but Mo and Bush were the heart and soul of that defense for a couple years.
Yes, well aware of that. I believe we even spoke about it. His size at the time (270ish) was also a concern.
Gary is a solid player, but Mo and Bush were the heart and soul of that defense for a couple years.
Bush kinda came out of nowhere, but yeah, he was a huge part of the D. Bush and Mo only overlapped one season though.
Honestly the whole DL was stacked if you start going through the names. Hoke and Mattison could recruit DL.
CBs were good too.
I believe Gary is starting to be pretty solid for the Packers
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Yes, well aware of that. I believe we even spoke about it. His size at the time (270ish) was also a concern.
Gary is a solid player, but Mo and Bush were the heart and soul of that defense for a couple years.
Bush kinda came out of nowhere, but yeah, he was a huge part of the D. Bush and Mo only overlapped one season though.
Honestly the whole DL was stacked if you start going through the names. Hoke and Mattison could recruit DL.
CBs were good too.
I believe Gary is starting to be pretty solid for the Packers
Bush kinda came out of nowhere, but yeah, he was a huge part of the D. Bush and Mo only overlapped one season though.
Honestly the whole DL was stacked if you start going through the names. Hoke and Mattison could recruit DL.
CBs were good too.
I believe Gary is starting to be pretty solid for the Packers
Parris Campbell, KJ, Mclaurin & Olave might disagree about that.
Yes, Gary is starting to produce on a more limited snap count. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of Pettine's defensive philosophy's so who knows what his ceiling might be.
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As for the mock position layout.. We'd be scrambling to replace LB Mack Wilson again going into the 5th.Mack was taken #155 in 5th/ while we own #169 this draft.
We could certainly take LB over DT in the 1st...much prefer if the value sits there..
Nixon is no Danald...but if we get a Johnathan Allen type DT from it? I'm OK with a 17th pick DT value
Re: The bolded - yeah, I'm good with that. Mack is the worst LB on this team and it isn't close right now.
With Billings, Elliot and possibly Jobi in the fold, I need a DI that gives me the pass rush push long term. That 3-tech to replace Sheldon in time. If you can't find it, then don't try to draft it high.
Re: The bolded - yeah, I'm good with that. Mack is the worst LB on this team and it isn't close right now. Well put... he's Not even close..
With Billings, Elliot and possibly Jobi in the fold, I need a DI that gives me the pass rush push long term. That 3-tech to replace Sheldon in time. If you can't find it, then don't try to draft it high. Joe Woods's passed this note to Berry after they shook hands
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Bush kinda came out of nowhere, but yeah, he was a huge part of the D. Bush and Mo only overlapped one season though.
Honestly the whole DL was stacked if you start going through the names. Hoke and Mattison could recruit DL.
CBs were good too.
I believe Gary is starting to be pretty solid for the Packers
Parris Campbell, KJ, Mclaurin & Olave might disagree about that.
Yes, Gary is starting to produce on a more limited snap count. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of Pettine's defensive philosophy's so who knows what his ceiling might be.
Parris Campbell, KJ, Mclaurin & Olave might disagree about that.
Yes, Gary is starting to produce on a more limited snap count. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of Pettine's defensive philosophy's so who knows what his ceiling might be.
Well he was drafted to play a different position than what he played in college, so it wasn't going to be an immediate impact.
I think you're blurong together a handful of years here, but the crossing route rest that killed us came through exploiting our third CB and our main pass rushers hurt. But yes, when OSU went three deep with WRs that run 4.3s that's hard to stop. Especially with some injuries. Especially with a DC that refuses to adapt from his man coverage philosophy. And now that DC is gone, even though he succeeded against everyone else. Arizona is going to have a very good D soon
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Parris Campbell, KJ, Mclaurin & Olave might disagree about that.
Yes, Gary is starting to produce on a more limited snap count. Then again, I'm not a huge fan of Pettine's defensive philosophy's so who knows what his ceiling might be.
Well he was drafted to play a different position than what he played in college, so it wasn't going to be an immediate impact.
I think you're blurong together a handful of years here, but the crossing route rest that killed us came through exploiting our third CB and our main pass rushers hurt. But yes, when OSU went three deep with WRs that run 4.3s that's hard to stop. Especially with some injuries. Especially with a DC that refuses to adapt from his man coverage philosophy. And now that DC is gone, even though he succeeded against everyone else. Arizona is going to have a very good D soon
Well he was drafted to play a different position than what he played in college, so it wasn't going to be an immediate impact.
Arizona is going to have a very good team soon.
FIFY now that Sumlin is gone. JFF was the only reason he got to stay at A&M as long as he did. At Arizona he was a disaster (9-20 in 3 seasons). He got fired after going 0-5 in 2020.
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Here's a 3 round Mock that I could see happening.. Includes unnamed teams that may trade up for QB's...
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-weissman-4.0
In the 2nd, I'd only change one thing,.By taking Pitt's DE Jones ll instead of Roche..
His 2nd round, looks somewhat underwhelming and includes Olave who went back to school.. but our 4 pick outcome would look great ?
Here's a 3 round Mock that I could see happening.. Includes unnamed teams that may trade up for QB's...
https://thedraftnetwork.com/articles/2021-nfl-mock-draft-weissman-4.0
In the 2nd, I'd only change one thing,.By taking Pitt's DE Jones ll instead of Roche..
His 2nd round, looks somewhat underwhelming and includes Olave who went back to school.. but our 4 pick outcome would look great ?
Nixon has to be a fast riser to be sure if he's now in consideration for being the first IDL off the board.
I gotta get my D-side scouting going... front to back and inside out...
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Round up of 1st round prognostications by Gibble...
A lot of different names with one repeated 3 times... Zaven Collins.
Mock Draft Roundup: Early predictions for who Browns will take with 26th pick
The 2021 NFL Draft is just 2 short months away
Feb 10, 2021 at 09:42 AMOf Note: Robinson began his career at Alabama before making the move to Orlando. Kiper likes the kind of versatility Robinson could bring to a Browns secondary that was hampered by significant injuries throughout 2020.
Of Note: Collins won the Nagurski Award, given to college football's top defensive player, after racking up 11.5 tackles for loss and four interceptions.
Of Note: Jeremiah compares Collins to Leighton Vander Esch, who starred at Boise State before landing with the Cowboys in the first round.
Of Note: Barmore was named the Defensive MVP of the 2021 national championship after racking up five tackles, two tackles for loss and a sack against Ohio State.
Of Note: Reuter projects the Browns to trade up to No. 21 to snag Bolton, whom Reuter compares to Steelers LB Devin Bush.
Of Note: Iyer says Collins "explodes as an athlete" and would be a nice complement to Garrett on the D-line and Denzel Ward in the secondary.
Of Note: Phillips, a transfer from UCLA, led the Hurricanes with eight sacks in 2020.
Of Note: Nixon was the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year and was the only player in college football to be a finalist for the Outland Trophy (best lineman) and Nagurski Trophy (best defensive player).
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Round up of 1st round prognostications by Gibble...
A lot of different names with one repeated 3 times... Zaven Collins.
Mock Draft Roundup: Early predictions for who Browns will take with 26th pick
The 2021 NFL Draft is just 2 short months away
Feb 10, 2021 at 09:42 AMOf Note: Robinson began his career at Alabama before making the move to Orlando. Kiper likes the kind of versatility Robinson could bring to a Browns secondary that was hampered by significant injuries throughout 2020.
Of Note: Collins won the Nagurski Award, given to college football's top defensive player, after racking up 11.5 tackles for loss and four interceptions.
Of Note: Jeremiah compares Collins to Leighton Vander Esch, who starred at Boise State before landing with the Cowboys in the first round.
Of Note: Barmore was named the Defensive MVP of the 2021 national championship after racking up five tackles, two tackles for loss and a sack against Ohio State.
Of Note: Reuter projects the Browns to trade up to No. 21 to snag Bolton, whom Reuter compares to Steelers LB Devin Bush.
Of Note: Iyer says Collins "explodes as an athlete" and would be a nice complement to Garrett on the D-line and Denzel Ward in the secondary.
Of Note: Phillips, a transfer from UCLA, led the Hurricanes with eight sacks in 2020.
Of Note: Nixon was the Big Ten Defensive Player of the Year and was the only player in college football to be a finalist for the Outland Trophy (best lineman) and Nagurski Trophy (best defensive player).
Of Note: Reuter projects the Browns to trade up to No. 21 to snag Bolton, whom Reuter compares to Steelers LB Devin Bush.
My goofy opinion - I don't see trading up for Bolton. I don't get him going in the first round.
Collins may not even be there at the 21st pick. But if he's there, I think he's the Browns' first pick.
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Of Note: Reuter projects the Browns to trade up to No. 21 to snag Bolton, whom Reuter compares to Steelers LB Devin Bush.
My goofy opinion - I don't see trading up for Bolton. I don't get him going in the first round.
Collins may not even be there at the 21st pick. But if he's there, I think he's the Browns' first pick.
My goofy opinion - I don't see trading up for Bolton. I don't get him going in the first round.
Collins may not even be there at the 21st pick. But if he's there, I think he's the Browns' first pick.
I don't see us trading up period, but if someone we expected to go very early falls... well... let's just say never say never.
The thing about Bolton is he is a prototypical Mike... a position we badly need... but there are decent options later.
Collins? Really warming to his versatility as a SAM standing up on early downs and then in a 3-point opposite MG in 3d and long... or 2nd or 1st and long.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
One thing I always say about mocks is that they are hard to judge without knowing who else was available at a given pick. So with that in mind I used the links in the Gribble article to see who of potential interest to us went in picks 20-32.
Also interesting to note patterns in the top 20. Not surprisingly four QBs were the norm along with at least two CBs and two WRs. All had Parsons repping the LB class in the top 10. Somewhat surprising to me were the number of OTs taken. Many of the mocks had up to 6 going in the 1st round with most of those in the top 20. Add all this early consensus together and you see how some really good defensive talent is squeezed down the board to us.
I started a spreadsheet tallying mocks' Top 20s by position... may get around to finishing it later.
- Brooks chose Collins for us.
- He had Bolton going to the Steelers at #24 and Barmore to JAX at 25.
- Phillips, Moehrig, Basham, and Ossai went after our pick.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets
- DJ sent Collins our way.
- Paye lasted to #21 before DET tabbed him and JAX took Moehrig.
- He left Bolton for NO.
https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-patriots-49ers-select-qbs-in-round-1
- LZ has Barmore to us.
- TN took Paye at 22, PTG Collins at 24 and Moehrig to BLT.
- Phillips was left for TB at 32.
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-jets-trade-out-of-no-2-overall-pick
- Reuter had us trade up for Bolton.
- Doing so we bypassed Paye who went #27 to BLT, Melifonwu #29 to GB and Basham 31 to KC.
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-jets-trade-out-of-no-2-overall-pick
- The Sporting News' Iyer had us taking Collins with
- Gone were Barmore at #20 to CHI and Moehrig to JAX.
- Left on the board were Bolten for NO at #28.
- CBS' Traposso chose Phillips for us.
- Rousseau was gone at #22 to TN.
- Collins, 28 to NO, and Basham, 29 to GB, were still on the board.
- PFF's Renner gave us PSU's Oweh.
- Already assigned teams were Rousseau to IND at 21, Collins to PTG at 24 and Moehrig to JAX at 25.
- Basham was left for KC at 31.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929786-2021-nfl-mock-draft-brs-post-super-bowl-predictions
- Bleacher's Sobleski sent us CB, Horn.
- No players of interest went from 20 to 25.
- Moehrig, 28 to NO, Barmore, 29 to BUF, Collins, 31 to KC, and Oweh, 32 to TB, were still on the board.
- PFF's Linsey had us taking Owusu.
- Again none of the names most associated with us went between 20 and 25.
- Left on the board after us were Bolten to GB at 28, Oweh to BUF at 30 and Moehrig to KC at 32.
Both the Kiper and McShay mocks aren't viewable without an ESPN+ subscription.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
One thing I always say about mocks is that they are hard to judge without knowing who else was available at a given pick. So with that in mind I used the links in the Gribble article to see who of potential interest to us went in picks 20-32.
Also interesting to note patterns in the top 20. Not surprisingly four QBs were the norm along with at least two CBs and two WRs. All had Parsons repping the LB class in the top 10. Somewhat surprising to me were the number of OTs taken. Many of the mocks had up to 6 going in the 1st round with most of those in the top 20. Add all this early consensus together and you see how some really good defensive talent is squeezed down the board to us.
I started a spreadsheet tallying mocks' Top 20s by position... may get around to finishing it later.
- Brooks chose Collins for us.
- He had Bolton going to the Steelers at #24 and Barmore to JAX at 25.
- Phillips, Moehrig, Basham, and Ossai went after our pick.
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-zach-wilson-to-jets
- DJ sent Collins our way.
- Paye lasted to #21 before DET tabbed him and JAX took Moehrig.
- He left Bolton for NO.
https://www.nfl.com/news/lance-zierlein-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-patriots-49ers-select-qbs-in-round-1
- LZ has Barmore to us.
- TN took Paye at 22, PTG Collins at 24 and Moehrig to BLT.
- Phillips was left for TB at 32.
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-jets-trade-out-of-no-2-overall-pick
- Reuter had us trade up for Bolton.
- Doing so we bypassed Paye who went #27 to BLT, Melifonwu #29 to GB and Basham 31 to KC.
https://www.nfl.com/news/three-round-2021-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-jets-trade-out-of-no-2-overall-pick
- The Sporting News' Iyer had us taking Collins with
- Gone were Barmore at #20 to CHI and Moehrig to JAX.
- Left on the board were Bolten for NO at #28.
- CBS' Traposso chose Phillips for us.
- Rousseau was gone at #22 to TN.
- Collins, 28 to NO, and Basham, 29 to GB, were still on the board.
- PFF's Renner gave us PSU's Oweh.
- Already assigned teams were Rousseau to IND at 21, Collins to PTG at 24 and Moehrig to JAX at 25.
- Basham was left for KC at 31.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2929786-2021-nfl-mock-draft-brs-post-super-bowl-predictions
- Bleacher's Sobleski sent us CB, Horn.
- No players of interest went from 20 to 25.
- Moehrig, 28 to NO, Barmore, 29 to BUF, Collins, 31 to KC, and Oweh, 32 to TB, were still on the board.
- PFF's Linsey had us taking Owusu.
- Again none of the names most associated with us went between 20 and 25.
- Left on the board after us were Bolten to GB at 28, Oweh to BUF at 30 and Moehrig to KC at 32.
Both the Kiper and McShay mocks aren't viewable without an ESPN+ subscription.
One thing I always say about mocks is that they are hard to judge without knowing who else was available at a given pick. So with that in mind I used the links in the Gribble article to see who of potential interest to us went in picks 20-32.
Also interesting to note patterns in the top 20. Not surprisingly four QBs were the norm along with at least two CBs and two WRs. All had Parsons repping the LB class in the top 10. Somewhat surprising to me were the number of OTs taken. Many of the mocks had up to 6 going in the 1st round with most of those in the top 20. Add all this early consensus together and you see how some really good defensive talent is squeezed down the board to us.
Yep, looks like we really do not have to do any trade up to have very good choices available at BPA in our own spot.
I'm betting it is 95 % sure we go defense unless FA nails it all down.
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Mocks Digest
Seems Carlos Basham has overtaken Pattie Jones ll... ? I've watched these two hammers so long a can't pick one over the other.. and won't
I see a Top 3, in a deep WR class.. Might see some reaches that vary per Mocks above
Top CB class seems weak.. reaches there have not settled either.. (ya may want to get Money Mitch inked)
Top LB & DE, deep classes names have not changed.. stay tuned
Some bad NFL OL's may take a reach in round 1 too..
QB Trevor Lawrence kicks off Pro Days today... 10AM-Noon NFL Network?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Here's the deal folks.
The better the team gets, the more moronic drafting for need becomes. We need to draft best players available. Losing teams draft for needs. Or maybe I should say that winning teams will become losing teams if they draft that way.
Winning teams address needs in free agency. The draft is the long term method to keep talent in the pipeline. This is a great year to draft a wide receiver. Short sighted people don't see a need for that. People who think a bit can see us still clinging to an old Jarvis Landry in a year or two.
This is a great year for interior O-line...again, how long before Bitonio and Treeter are gone for one reason or another?
Sure, if your desire is to cut off your left nut to maybe improve for a year or two, have at it. I will keep keep mine, thank-you. My desire is to maintain winning ways for a decade or more and not go back to sucking, and suck we will if we look to draft for needs.
From what I have read, edge rushers and lb are weak positions this year. The guys you can get in round 3 aren't much different than the guys slated for round 1. We have a DC and by league dictate, LB are on the way out in favor of players who can cover someone other than a slow fullback.
So when we start making picks, don't get all bent out of shape because you don't think the pick makes any sense.
It makes a ton of sense.
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I think each team, winners or losers look to both methods to improve: FA and draft.
But then, from what I understand from some of the self appointed draft experts on here is that most teams when evaluating "draftable" talent, put that talent into "groupings".
I suppose each team may use a different system, But lets say you have a set of a very few A+ graded players. Then a Group of A players. Then A- then B+ etc. etc. Maybe each "grade ranking" has 5-6 players in there....or more. And lets say it is your turn to draft, say at #26, and all that are left on your board are several B+ players...which your scouts have said are pretty equal in talent and therefore any one of them may be deemed a good choice. So, how do you choose between the 5-8 that are sitting there? Often, by need. If you have a tackle, a WR, a QB, and a DE and LB...and you really really need a LB, then you go with the LB and not the other position you are strong at. On the other hand, if when you select, You have one A grade guy, no A- guys and several B+ guys, then you look much more seriously at taking the A guy who is at a "non-need" position instead of the B+ guys.
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I think each team, winners or losers look to both methods to improve: FA and draft.
But then, from what I understand from some of the self appointed draft experts on here is that most teams when evaluating "draftable" talent, put that talent into "groupings".
I suppose each team may use a different system, But lets say you have a set of a very few A+ graded players. Then a Group of A players. Then A- then B+ etc. etc. Maybe each "grade ranking" has 5-6 players in there....or more. And lets say it is your turn to draft, say at #26, and all that are left on your board are several B+ players...which your scouts have said are pretty equal in talent and therefore any one of them may be deemed a good choice. So, how do you choose between the 5-8 that are sitting there? Often, by need. If you have a tackle, a WR, a QB, and a DE and LB...and you really really need a LB, then you go with the LB and not the other position you are strong at. On the other hand, if when you select, You have one A grade guy, no A- guys and several B+ guys, then you look much more seriously at taking the A guy who is at a "non-need" position instead of the B+ guys.
I think each team, winners or losers look to both methods to improve: FA and draft.
But then, from what I understand from some of the self appointed draft experts on here is that most teams when evaluating "draftable" talent, put that talent into "groupings".
I suppose each team may use a different system, But lets say you have a set of a very few A+ graded players. Then a Group of A players. Then A- then B+ etc. etc. Maybe each "grade ranking" has 5-6 players in there....or more. And lets say it is your turn to draft, say at #26, and all that are left on your board are several B+ players...which your scouts have said are pretty equal in talent and therefore any one of them may be deemed a good choice. So, how do you choose between the 5-8 that are sitting there? Often, by need. If you have a tackle, a WR, a QB, and a DE and LB...and you really really need a LB, then you go with the LB and not the other position you are strong at. On the other hand, if when you select, You have one A grade guy, no A- guys and several B+ guys, then you look much more seriously at taking the A guy who is at a "non-need" position instead of the B+ guys.
And I read those "experts" saying all we should do is draft D players, or we have to get this or that.
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Here's the deal folks.
The better the team gets, the more moronic drafting for need becomes. We need to draft best players available. Losing teams draft for needs. Or maybe I should say that winning teams will become losing teams if they draft that way.
Winning teams address needs in free agency. The draft is the long term method to keep talent in the pipeline. This is a great year to draft a wide receiver. Short sighted people don't see a need for that. People who think a bit can see us still clinging to an old Jarvis Landry in a year or two.
This is a great year for interior O-line...again, how long before Bitonio and Treeter are gone for one reason or another?
Sure, if your desire is to cut off your left nut to maybe improve for a year or two, have at it. I will keep keep mine, thank-you. My desire is to maintain winning ways for a decade or more and not go back to sucking, and suck we will if we look to draft for needs.
From what I have read, edge rushers and lb are weak positions this year. The guys you can get in round 3 aren't much different than the guys slated for round 1. We have a DC and by league dictate, LB are on the way out in favor of players who can cover someone other than a slow fullback.
So when we start making picks, don't get all bent out of shape because you don't think the pick makes any sense.
It makes a ton of sense.
Here's the deal folks.
The better the team gets, the more moronic drafting for need becomes. We need to draft best players available. Losing teams draft for needs. Or maybe I should say that winning teams will become losing teams if they draft that way.
Winning teams address needs in free agency. The draft is the long term method to keep talent in the pipeline. This is a great year to draft a wide receiver. Short sighted people don't see a need for that. People who think a bit can see us still clinging to an old Jarvis Landry in a year or two.
This is a great year for interior O-line...again, how long before Bitonio and Treeter are gone for one reason or another?
Sure, if your desire is to cut off your left nut to maybe improve for a year or two, have at it. I will keep keep mine, thank-you. My desire is to maintain winning ways for a decade or more and not go back to sucking, and suck we will if we look to draft for needs.
From what I have read, edge rushers and lb are weak positions this year. The guys you can get in round 3 aren't much different than the guys slated for round 1. We have a DC and by league dictate, LB are on the way out in favor of players who can cover someone other than a slow fullback.
So when we start making picks, don't get all bent out of shape because you don't think the pick makes any sense.
It makes a ton of sense.
I agree with this...aside from Quarterback, RT, LT, maybe RB I’d consider any player at any position left that is best available. I say RB because of the FO doesn’t want to pay Chubb - do we like a guy like Najee Harris enough. I say this but I hope it’s not the move.
Mocks have us going LBs, S, CB butTake a guy like K. Toney UF WR. I like him in space as our Tyreke Hill. Intriguing prospect to throw in with what we have on offense.
Rousseau DE UM - I think he gets taken ahead of us but if he falls he’d be hard to pass on.
I’d Use the 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 4th, 4th to improve back 7 speed and the front 4 pass rush. Our LBs and secondary not great obviously but we some big needs along our front 4. Middle rounds I’d add a lineman each year where their skill set fits out blocking scheme. I may consider a kicker late too - been there done that though they have to be elite.
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I think each team, winners or losers look to both methods to improve: FA and draft.
But then, from what I understand from some of the self appointed draft experts on here is that most teams when evaluating "draftable" talent, put that talent into "groupings".
I suppose each team may use a different system, But lets say you have a set of a very few A+ graded players. Then a Group of A players. Then A- then B+ etc. etc. Maybe each "grade ranking" has 5-6 players in there....or more. And lets say it is your turn to draft, say at #26, and all that are left on your board are several B+ players...which your scouts have said are pretty equal in talent and therefore any one of them may be deemed a good choice. So, how do you choose between the 5-8 that are sitting there? Often, by need. If you have a tackle, a WR, a QB, and a DE and LB...and you really really need a LB, then you go with the LB and not the other position you are strong at. On the other hand, if when you select, You have one A grade guy, no A- guys and several B+ guys, then you look much more seriously at taking the A guy who is at a "non-need" position instead of the B+ guys.
And I read those "experts" saying all we should do is draft D players, or we have to get this or that.
And I read those "experts" saying all we should do is draft D players, or we have to get this or that.
And I am saying is that the philosophy outlined above says....IF you have a handful of players equally rated...then yes, take the Defensive player that you need over the running back or OT you don't need nearly as much. But don't necessarily reach for a LB who is a B- player when you have a number of B+ players to choose from.
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Mocks Digest
Seems Carlos Basham has overtaken Pattie Jones ll... ? I've watched these two hammers so long a can't pick one over the other.. and won't
I see a Top 3, in a deep WR class.. Might see some reaches that vary per Mocks above
Top CB class seems weak.. reaches there have not settled either.. (ya may want to get Money Mitch inked)
Top LB & DE, deep classes names have not changed.. stay tuned
Some bad NFL OL's may take a reach in round 1 too..
QB Trevor Lawrence kicks off Pro Days today... 10AM-Noon NFL Network?
Top CB class seems weak.. reaches there have not settled either.. (ya may want to get Money Mitch inked)
Overall, yes, I agree, but looks like a doughnut CB-class to me...
There are two to four 1st-round-worthy prospects, but then not a lot of value picks until Day 3 opens a flood of "developmental" players.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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