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  • @westside-steve said:

    Northeast Ohio translation

    "You guys will probably need a jacket indoors today."

    WSS

    FIFY-and pretty much true in many homes here.

    We are trying to hang in until Sat. when it gets above freezing 24 hours a day so this shit show can thaw out.Friday it finally get sunny and above freezing in the afternoon for a few hours.

    @texasag1969 said:

    FIFY-and pretty much true in many homes here.

    We are trying to hang in until Sat. when it gets above freezing 24 hours a day so this shit show can thaw out.Friday it finally get sunny and above freezing in the afternoon for a few hours.

    Bigger question is why can't your power grid handle the load?

  • @texasag1969 said:

    FIFY-and pretty much true in many homes here.

    We are trying to hang in until Sat. when it gets above freezing 24 hours a day so this shit show can thaw out.Friday it finally get sunny and above freezing in the afternoon for a few hours.

    Bigger question is why can't your power grid handle the load?

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Bigger question is why can't your power grid handle the load?

    Politicians screwed this up big time. When it's all done and examined for the future you will find Republican total control of this state made enormous lack of funding mistakes. Only the chairs change in this state, never the party in total control. Governor and the guy in charge of the grid are going to bite the bullet on this one. But I will admit you would have to have foreseen the 100 year min-ice age on this one. Never seen it here in my lifetime.

    Reminds me. Got a loss of water question for those in the frozen north. We may lose our water pressure with temps still below freezing. If we do is it best to go open the outside faucets a few minutes to drain as much as possible and then set them back on what would likely be a fast drip should we get it back?

  • @hoorta said:

    They need to talk to the power companies in Canada, theirs work fine. 😁

    I’m sure that whopping 2.5% Ontario gets from the combined efforts of wind & solar power are keeping the Canucks toasty warm.

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    @canton-dawg said:

    I’m sure that whopping 2.5% Ontario gets from the combined efforts of wind & solar power are keeping the Canucks toasty warm.

    And that's about the amount of energy Texas was getting from those wind turbines....  And now for the REAL reason....  

    Natural gas wells and pipes ill-equipped for cold weather are a big reason why millions of Texans lost power during frigid temperatures this week. As temperatures dropped to record lows across some parts of the state, liquid inside wells, pipes, and valves froze solid.

    Ice can block gas flow, clogging pipes. It’s a phenomenon called a “freeze-off” that disrupts gas production across the US every winter. But freeze-offs can have outsized effects in Texas, as we’ve seen this week. The state is a huge natural gas producer — and it doesn’t usually have to deal with such cold weather.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Bigger question is why can't your power grid handle the load?

    Politicians screwed this up big time. When it's all done and examined for the future you will find Republican total control of this state made enormous lack of funding mistakes. Only the chairs change in this state, never the party in total control. Governor and the guy in charge of the grid are going to bite the bullet on this one. But I will admit you would have to have foreseen the 100 year min-ice age on this one. Never seen it here in my lifetime.

    Reminds me. Got a loss of water question for those in the frozen north. We may lose our water pressure with temps still below freezing. If we do is it best to go open the outside faucets a few minutes to drain as much as possible and then set them back on what would likely be a fast drip should we get it back?

    @texasag1969 said:

    Politicians screwed this up big time. When it's all done and examined for the future you will find Republican total control of this state made enormous lack of funding mistakes. Only the chairs change in this state, never the party in total control. Governor and the guy in charge of the grid are going to bite the bullet on this one. But I will admit you would have to have foreseen the 100 year min-ice age on this one. Never seen it here in my lifetime.

    Reminds me. Got a loss of water question for those in the frozen north. We may lose our water pressure with temps still below freezing. If we do is it best to go open the outside faucets a few minutes to drain as much as possible and then set them back on what would likely be a fast drip should we get it back?

    I'd say leave the faucets open if you lose pressure. 

    If you have more than one bathroom-  I suggest filling one tub up with water.  Load up all the buckets you can. You might want to head to the store and get a couple gallons of suitable drinking water while you're at it.  And hope your sewer line doesn't freeze. (unlikely) You'll at least have enough water to flush your toilets... 

    I say this from experience... Dayton has had two major water outages in the last couple years. First was a 48" main from the pumping station broke. (to the tune we lost 55 million gallons of treated water before they found the leak- it was under our Miami River) Second was when a tornado knocked out power to the pumping station.  

  • @texasag1969 said:

    FIFY-and pretty much true in many homes here.

    We are trying to hang in until Sat. when it gets above freezing 24 hours a day so this shit show can thaw out.Friday it finally get sunny and above freezing in the afternoon for a few hours.

    Bigger question is why can't your power grid handle the load?

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Bigger question is why can't your power grid handle the load?

    Texas has it's own power grid- and as Tex said heads are going to roll over this one. Besides, as I mentioned gas lines freezing over the unprecedented cold (as much as 50 degrees below normal) my guess is- it takes a lot more electricity to produce heat than it does to power up air conditioning.  I know a thing or two about HVAC- and on the heating side- you design a system (I'll use Dayton for an example)  that you want to maintain 68 degrees when it's -5 outside.   You can bet the ranch almost ZERO heating systems in Houston were designed with an outside temperature of 15 degrees- which they hit.  Couldn't keep up, even running full blast- hence the rolling blackouts.  

    I mean really- touring the neighborhoods in Houston the times I was down there for the Browns games, Houston is subtropical- there's plenty of palm trees. And they got snow and sub freezing temperatures. 

  • @texasag1969 said:

    Politicians screwed this up big time. When it's all done and examined for the future you will find Republican total control of this state made enormous lack of funding mistakes. Only the chairs change in this state, never the party in total control. Governor and the guy in charge of the grid are going to bite the bullet on this one. But I will admit you would have to have foreseen the 100 year min-ice age on this one. Never seen it here in my lifetime.

    Reminds me. Got a loss of water question for those in the frozen north. We may lose our water pressure with temps still below freezing. If we do is it best to go open the outside faucets a few minutes to drain as much as possible and then set them back on what would likely be a fast drip should we get it back?

    I'd say leave the faucets open if you lose pressure. 

    If you have more than one bathroom-  I suggest filling one tub up with water.  Load up all the buckets you can. You might want to head to the store and get a couple gallons of suitable drinking water while you're at it.  And hope your sewer line doesn't freeze. (unlikely) You'll at least have enough water to flush your toilets... 

    I say this from experience... Dayton has had two major water outages in the last couple years. First was a 48" main from the pumping station broke. (to the tune we lost 55 million gallons of treated water before they found the leak- it was under our Miami River) Second was when a tornado knocked out power to the pumping station.  

    @hoorta said:

    I'd say leave the faucets open if you lose pressure. 

    If you have more than one bathroom-  I suggest filling one tub up with water.  Load up all the buckets you can. You might want to head to the store and get a couple gallons of suitable drinking water while you're at it.  And hope your sewer line doesn't freeze. (unlikely) You'll at least have enough water to flush your toilets... 

    I say this from experience... Dayton has had two major water outages in the last couple years. First was a 48" main from the pumping station broke. (to the tune we lost 55 million gallons of treated water before they found the leak- it was under our Miami River) Second was when a tornado knocked out power to the pumping station.  

    Thanks for the advice. I have a septic system that goes out of the bottom of a thick foundation directly into the first tank. I have cut the electricity to the pump that takes it to the second because the first is so low with only two of us we can't possibly fill it up. Plus if we do I have an overflow built to just put it out on the side yard just in case.We have a filled bathtub of water for flushing which we do only for #2 anyway. Also several gallons of boiled water for drinking just in case. At the moment we are not on the boil your water map that has affected some parts around us. We and Sun City are on the other side of the road from the boil your water side, but we did several gallons just to be safe.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Bigger question is why can't your power grid handle the load?

    Politicians screwed this up big time. When it's all done and examined for the future you will find Republican total control of this state made enormous lack of funding mistakes. Only the chairs change in this state, never the party in total control. Governor and the guy in charge of the grid are going to bite the bullet on this one. But I will admit you would have to have foreseen the 100 year min-ice age on this one. Never seen it here in my lifetime.

    Reminds me. Got a loss of water question for those in the frozen north. We may lose our water pressure with temps still below freezing. If we do is it best to go open the outside faucets a few minutes to drain as much as possible and then set them back on what would likely be a fast drip should we get it back?

    @texasag1969 said:

    hen it's all done and examined for the future you will find Republican total control of this state made enormous lack of funding mistakes

    Ya, right.......

  • @texasag1969 said:

    hen it's all done and examined for the future you will find Republican total control of this state made enormous lack of funding mistakes

    Ya, right.......

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Ya, right.......

    20 years of total control. Where did you think that organization to prevent this came from anyway? We are not a whole lot different from our neighbor to the east of us.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Ya, right.......

    20 years of total control. Where did you think that organization to prevent this came from anyway? We are not a whole lot different from our neighbor to the east of us.

    @texasag1969 said:

    20 years of total control. Where did you think that organization to prevent this came from anyway? We are not a whole lot different from our neighbor to the east of us.

    google "texas starting go blue" for the truth about it. Republicans - NOT GREEN NEW DEAL. You support the dems who ARE GREEN NEW DEAL.

        whoever went with windmills and solar panels for their grid, were at least financially addicted to the money they would make leaning alternative energy. Now, it's blown up in their faces. Or, worse, blow up into the lack of electricity in Texas, Mississippi and Minnesota.

    Minnesota is very, very blue. They have the same problem. The blaming of republicans in Texas is bs. Put the blame on those who gained by supporting unproven, risky, expensive and limited alternative energy.

    ObaMao's Solyndra. Look it up.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    Ya, right.......

    20 years of total control. Where did you think that organization to prevent this came from anyway? We are not a whole lot different from our neighbor to the east of us.

  • @canton-dawg said:

    I’m sure that whopping 2.5% Ontario gets from the combined efforts of wind & solar power are keeping the Canucks toasty warm.

    And that's about the amount of energy Texas was getting from those wind turbines....  And now for the REAL reason....  

    Natural gas wells and pipes ill-equipped for cold weather are a big reason why millions of Texans lost power during frigid temperatures this week. As temperatures dropped to record lows across some parts of the state, liquid inside wells, pipes, and valves froze solid.

    Ice can block gas flow, clogging pipes. It’s a phenomenon called a “freeze-off” that disrupts gas production across the US every winter. But freeze-offs can have outsized effects in Texas, as we’ve seen this week. The state is a huge natural gas producer — and it doesn’t usually have to deal with such cold weather.

    @hoorta said:

    And that's about the amount of energy Texas was getting from those wind turbines....  And now for the REAL reason....  

    Natural gas wells and pipes ill-equipped for cold weather are a big reason why millions of Texans lost power during frigid temperatures this week. As temperatures dropped to record lows across some parts of the state, liquid inside wells, pipes, and valves froze solid.

    Ice can block gas flow, clogging pipes. It’s a phenomenon called a “freeze-off” that disrupts gas production across the US every winter. But freeze-offs can have outsized effects in Texas, as we’ve seen this week. The state is a huge natural gas producer — and it doesn’t usually have to deal with such cold weather.

    But wait...what happened to Global Warming?

  • @texasag1969 said:

    20 years of total control. Where did you think that organization to prevent this came from anyway? We are not a whole lot different from our neighbor to the east of us.

    google "texas starting go blue" for the truth about it. Republicans - NOT GREEN NEW DEAL. You support the dems who ARE GREEN NEW DEAL.

        whoever went with windmills and solar panels for their grid, were at least financially addicted to the money they would make leaning alternative energy. Now, it's blown up in their faces. Or, worse, blow up into the lack of electricity in Texas, Mississippi and Minnesota.

    Minnesota is very, very blue. They have the same problem. The blaming of republicans in Texas is bs. Put the blame on those who gained by supporting unproven, risky, expensive and limited alternative energy.

    ObaMao's Solyndra. Look it up.

    @calfoxwc said:

    google "texas starting go blue" for the truth about it. Republicans - NOT GREEN NEW DEAL. You support the dems who ARE GREEN NEW DEAL.

        whoever went with windmills and solar panels for their grid, were at least financially addicted to the money they would make leaning alternative energy. Now, it's blown up in their faces. Or, worse, blow up into the lack of electricity in Texas, Mississippi and Minnesota.

    Minnesota is very, very blue. They have the same problem. The blaming of republicans in Texas is bs. Put the blame on those who gained by supporting unproven, risky, expensive and limited alternative energy.

    ObaMao's Solyndra. Look it up.

    100% of the problem was the refusal to tie in to the federal grid that we could tap into when gas & coal plants started closing (90%). 10% belonged to the "green" energy sources here. That was a direct result of Republican control and refusal to cooperate with federal guidelines to be a part of the federal grid. It has nothing to do with it being green new deal. Very minor part of the energy source here.

  • @calfoxwc said:

    google "texas starting go blue" for the truth about it. Republicans - NOT GREEN NEW DEAL. You support the dems who ARE GREEN NEW DEAL.

        whoever went with windmills and solar panels for their grid, were at least financially addicted to the money they would make leaning alternative energy. Now, it's blown up in their faces. Or, worse, blow up into the lack of electricity in Texas, Mississippi and Minnesota.

    Minnesota is very, very blue. They have the same problem. The blaming of republicans in Texas is bs. Put the blame on those who gained by supporting unproven, risky, expensive and limited alternative energy.

    ObaMao's Solyndra. Look it up.

    100% of the problem was the refusal to tie in to the federal grid that we could tap into when gas & coal plants started closing (90%). 10% belonged to the "green" energy sources here. That was a direct result of Republican control and refusal to cooperate with federal guidelines to be a part of the federal grid. It has nothing to do with it being green new deal. Very minor part of the energy source here.

    @texasag1969 said:

    100% of the problem was the refusal to tie in to the federal grid that we could tap into when gas & coal plants started closing (90%). 10% belonged to the "green" energy sources here. That was a direct result of Republican control and refusal to cooperate with federal guidelines to be a part of the federal grid. It has nothing to do with it being green new deal. Very minor part of the energy source here.

    so it's obaMao and biden's fault. glad we finally got the blame put where it belongs, eh?

    https://www.npr.org/2021/02/17/968577281/what-went-wrong-with-the-electric-grid-in-texas

    "disambiguate" ? *I* never even came up with that one.......interesting read. Windmills freeze up, no sun to power the solar panels, and they still go fake "man made global warming" over every answer.

      Alternative energy failed, and designers went as expensive as they could, and still hadn't accounted for

    a freak once in 50? years? 100? storm that their grid wasn't designed for.

    Alternate energy is not affordable large scale, not dependable, and it's a green new deal political hack ploy for emotionally manipulating for votes.

    yeah. what the )(*&)& happened to the fraud that is "man made global warming" ???

  • @hoorta said:

    And that's about the amount of energy Texas was getting from those wind turbines....  And now for the REAL reason....  

    Natural gas wells and pipes ill-equipped for cold weather are a big reason why millions of Texans lost power during frigid temperatures this week. As temperatures dropped to record lows across some parts of the state, liquid inside wells, pipes, and valves froze solid.

    Ice can block gas flow, clogging pipes. It’s a phenomenon called a “freeze-off” that disrupts gas production across the US every winter. But freeze-offs can have outsized effects in Texas, as we’ve seen this week. The state is a huge natural gas producer — and it doesn’t usually have to deal with such cold weather.

    But wait...what happened to Global Warming?

    @canton-dawg said:

    But wait...what happened to Global Warming?

    Please don't make me post the stats that globally, the last few years have been the warmest on record. Or the trillions of tons of polar ice that are now melting every year. Glacier NP soon to be minus it's glaciers. Yeah, a once in a 120 year cold snap outlier is the harbinger of a new Ice Age. 😁

  • @canton-dawg said:

    But wait...what happened to Global Warming?

    Please don't make me post the stats that globally, the last few years have been the warmest on record. Or the trillions of tons of polar ice that are now melting every year. Glacier NP soon to be minus it's glaciers. Yeah, a once in a 120 year cold snap outlier is the harbinger of a new Ice Age. 😁

    @hoorta said:

    Please don't make me post the stats that globally, the last few years have been the warmest on record. Or the trillions of tons of polar ice that are now melting every year. Glacier NP soon to be minus it's glaciers. Yeah, a once in a 120 year cold snap outlier is the harbinger of a new Ice Age. 😁

    The Arctic Ocean is warming up, icebergs are growing scarcer and in some places the seals are finding the water too hot, according to a report to the Commerce Department yesterday from the Consulate at Bergen, Norway.

    Reports from fishermen, seal hunters and explorers all point to a radical change in climate conditions and hitherto unheard of temperatures in the Arctic zone.

    Exploration expeditions report that scarcely any ice has been met as far north as 81 degrees 29 minutes.

    Soundings to a depth of 3,100 meters showed the gulf stream still very warm
    .

    Great masses of ice have been replaced by moraines of earth and stones, the report continued, while at many points well known glaciers have entirely disappeared.

    Very few seals and no white fish are found in the eastern Arctic, while vast shoals of herring and smelts which have never before ventured so far north, are being encountered in the old seal fishing grounds.

    Within a few years it is predicted that due to the ice melt the sea will rise and make most coast cities uninhabitable.

    I must apologize.

    I neglected to mention that this report was from November 2, 1922 as reported by the AP and published in The Washington Post 96 years ago.

    This must have been caused by Model T Ford emissions or possibly from horse farts.

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  • @canton-dawg said:

    But wait...what happened to Global Warming?

    Please don't make me post the stats that globally, the last few years have been the warmest on record. Or the trillions of tons of polar ice that are now melting every year. Glacier NP soon to be minus it's glaciers. Yeah, a once in a 120 year cold snap outlier is the harbinger of a new Ice Age. 😁

    @hoorta said:

    Please don't make me post the stats that globally, the last few years have been the warmest on record. Or the trillions of tons of polar ice that are now melting every year. Glacier NP soon to be minus it's glaciers. Yeah, a once in a 120 year cold snap outlier is the harbinger of a new Ice Age.

    more emotional knee jerkie.

    btw, blaming the republicans in Texas?

    that is complete bs. One third of the electric board - don't even LIVE in Texas !

    and Texans found out ! THAT is part of the problem.

    The republicans are demanding transparency. The board has deleted the list of it's members after it

    was found out!

    as far as the fraud that is "man made goober warning"...

    Nolte: Scientists Prove Man-Made Global Warming Is a Hoax

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/04/09/...

    Nolte: Scientists Prove Man-Made Global Warming Is a Hoax. The far-left ThinkProgress reports that scientists have finally proven that the theory of man-made Global Warming is a total hoax. Of course, no one will admit it, but that is exactly what has happened.

    Top 10 Global Warming Lies That May Shock You

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2015/02/...

    Global warming alarmists frequently make false and deplorable assertions (see, for example, my recent column debunking false claims that global warming is causing a decline in wheat production ...

    News - Global warming: Fake News From the Start | Heartland …

    https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/global...

    Mistakes such as those made by McKenna are not surprising, considering that from the outset the entire claim of anthropogenic global warming (AGW) was built on falsehoods and spread with fake news. The plot to deceive the world about human-caused global warming gathered momentum right after the World Meteorological Organization and United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) created the United …

    The Stunning Statistical Fraud Behind The Global Warming Scare | …

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/the...

    This year has been a particularly spectacular episode of data tampering by NOAA, as they introduce nearly 2.5 degrees of fake warming since 1895." So the global warming scare is basically a hoax.

  • Does that include Ted Cruz?  Oh wait he had fly to Cancun first 

  • Does that include Ted Cruz?  Oh wait he had fly to Cancun first 

    @browns149 said:

    Does that include Ted Cruz?  Oh wait he had fly to Cancun first 

    Teddy "Castro" Cruz. Daddy from Cuba now in his grave is so proud of him backing dictators and wearing a nice sporty beard to match.?

    His just down there blowing out his flip flops on pop tops.?