The "It's-later-than-you-think" 2021 Mock Draft Thread
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How many mocks did you have to go through to get Farley that low?
2...
Started one the day before and he went very early... top 5 IIRC. I did not finish that one as I made some trades and got bored with it.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
And now for something completely different...
Note of explanation needed... I got stuck. None of the top positions of need fell to me at #26 and trading is only permitted if you are a "Premium DraftNet" subscriber. So...
... I took an IOL at #26... ? ... IKR? See the 6 picks that followed for context. While there are some good players there, there were ones I like better that I felt were going to be available to me later.
Did some digging and Vera-Tucker is a damn good, damn versatile OL. He was USC's starting LT and has the talent to fill in there in need be. His issue is that at 6'4 he does not have NFL LT size. But he's fluid in PassPro and ZBS while having road-grader power... thus his projection inside. Only position I am not sure he can handle is OC... and I would not be surprised if he excelled there. Besides adding quality, instant depth at four positions, he could step in if we can't work an affordable deal with Teller.
Bottom line... I thnk I made the BPA of a bad situation.
Rest of the sim run was fairly routine although I did reach slightly in rounds 2 thru 4 for f amiliar names I like... a lot.
The last three are new names to me...
- Whop Philyer (WR, IU) is a small, fast (4.37) WR who plays big... racked up a 1000-yd season in 2019... gave tOSU fits in 2020... and caught 18 balls in IU's 2020 bowl game .
- Marco Wilson (CB, Florida) is a strong tackler with ball skills and 4.4 speed... ST maven with upside.
- Lorenzo Neal (IDL, Purdue) should sound familiar as his Daddy was a NFL FB for 16 years. The FB's kid has skills, but wrecked a knee in 2019 and it hurt his 2020 performance... as did the spotty season.
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Reading this articleĀ in DBN suggests LB won't be our first or second round pick due to our actual alignments not looking at a "4-3".. Certainly could be with whoever's left in the 3rd, but not high.Ā
Ya may not like it?.. But, don't fail to read thisĀ link ^^^ ...It's a Joe Wood's style defense under draft construction..
Are we really down with thisĀ Ā 4-2-5Ā setup as the primary defense?Ā Ā
From Link...Ā Ā
Under DC Joe Woods, the Browns play a 4-3 defense. Or do they?
In looking at this seasonās defensive personnel groupings, the 4-3 was utilized only 267 snaps. That correlates to just 24.8% of defensive plays.
What was used most often? The 4-2-5. A whooping 721 snaps for 66.9%. And get this ā the remainder of snaps was in a 4-1-6 alignment.
With this in mind, the emphasis is squaring on the *pass rush and the *defensive backfield.
In the 4-2-5 alignment, the linebackers are used as the Mike (middle) and Sam (strongside) and eliminates the Will (weakside) entirely. The Mikeās duties are to plug the B-gap in running situations or as an occasional blitzer. Typically, the Mike is more of a Sam linebacker plugged into the center of the defense with some quickness and the ability to make adjustments. The other linebacker can be a converted strong safety with some girth and not an actual LB at all. This player will have coverage responsibilities such as the tight end or slot receiver.
With the 4-2-5, on the field personnel requires only one actual linebacker. With this in mind, why would you spend big money on him?
Ā See Gipper...it's ok to open links & read themĀ ?
Ya may not like it?.. But, don't fail to read thisĀ link ^^^ ...It's a Joe Wood's style defense under draft construction..
From Link...Ā Ā
Under DC Joe Woods, the Browns play a 4-3 defense. Or do they?
In looking at this seasonās defensive personnel groupings, the 4-3 was utilized only 267 snaps. That correlates to just 24.8% of defensive plays.
What was used most often? The 4-2-5. A whooping 721 snaps for 66.9%. And get this ā the remainder of snaps was in a 4-1-6 alignment.
With this in mind, the emphasis is squaring on the *pass rush and the *defensive backfield.
In the 4-2-5 alignment, the linebackers are used as the Mike (middle) and Sam (strongside) and eliminates the Will (weakside) entirely. The Mikeās duties are to plug the B-gap in running situations or as an occasional blitzer. Typically, the Mike is more of a Sam linebacker plugged into the center of the defense with some quickness and the ability to make adjustments. The other linebacker can be a converted strong safety with some girth and not an actual LB at all. This player will have coverage responsibilities such as the tight end or slot receiver.
With the 4-2-5, on the field personnel requires only one actual linebacker. With this in mind, why would you spend big money on him?
Ā See Gipper...it's ok to open links & read themĀ ?
I mentioned this earlier in the thread which is why i said no to drafting a LB that high (hopefully phillips will be healthy next year) and do safety or corner with are first pick
side note : dont panic is one of my favorite tv shows
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Well, if Cox lasts til the third round I will be worse than shocked. Great teams have speed on both sides of the ball.
A player who can run and cover Tyreek Hill, and hit like a ton of bricks would be great.
Like Owusu-Kamomoah. I would love to have picked him first in my stupid mock draft, but
I figured he'd be gone.
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/05/browns-mock-draft-owusu-koramoah-projection/
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Well, if Cox lasts til the third round I will be worse than shocked. Great teams have speed on both sides of the ball.
A player who can run and cover Tyreek Hill, and hit like a ton of bricks would be great.
Like Owusu-Kamomoah. I would love to have picked him first in my stupid mock draft, but
I figured he'd be gone.
https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2021/02/05/browns-mock-draft-owusu-koramoah-projection/
A player who can run and cover Tyreek Hill, and hit like a ton of bricks would be great.
Only one comes to mind...Ā https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/10/nfl-jalen-ramsey-vs-tyreek-hill-matchup-all-22-jaguars-chiefsĀ fun game to go back & watch... Cox can run..But please...He's not at T.Hill speed.
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A player who can run and cover Tyreek Hill, and hit like a ton of bricks would be great.
Only one comes to mind...Ā https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/10/nfl-jalen-ramsey-vs-tyreek-hill-matchup-all-22-jaguars-chiefsĀ fun game to go back & watch... Cox can run..But please...He's not at T.Hill speed.
Only one comes to mind...Ā https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/10/nfl-jalen-ramsey-vs-tyreek-hill-matchup-all-22-jaguars-chiefsĀ fun game to go back & watch... Cox can run..But please...He's not at T.Hill speed.
of course that's true, I didn't mean to imply he was. I would take Owusu by far, ......he is very fast. As much as I am a big Zaven Collins fan, I wouldn't trade up to get him - but I would trade up to get Owusu.
"Projected 40 yard dash: 4.40 seconds Owusu-Koramoah is an extremely intelligent and explosive defender that plays all over the field. He has every bit of versatility that Isaiah Simmons has, even though heās less physically imposing."
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Only one comes to mind...Ā https://ftw.usatoday.com/2018/10/nfl-jalen-ramsey-vs-tyreek-hill-matchup-all-22-jaguars-chiefsĀ fun game to go back & watch... Cox can run..But please...He's not at T.Hill speed.
of course that's true, I didn't mean to imply he was. I would take Owusu by far, ......he is very fast. As much as I am a big Zaven Collins fan, I wouldn't trade up to get him - but I would trade up to get Owusu.
"Projected 40 yard dash: 4.40 seconds Owusu-Koramoah is an extremely intelligent and explosive defender that plays all over the field. He has every bit of versatility that Isaiah Simmons has, even though heās less physically imposing."
"Projected 40 yard dash: 4.40 seconds Owusu-Koramoah is an extremely intelligent and explosive defender that plays all over the field. He has every bit of versatility that Isaiah Simmons has, even though heās less physically imposing."
Sure he can run..JOK is a classic tweener just as I.Simmons was coming out of Clemson..JOK's isĀ 6'2, but he's onlyĀ 216 lbs soaking wet..Ā MakingĀ him a undersized NFL rover..Same spot asĀ Simmons came in &Ā mostly sat inĀ his rookie year..Ā StartedĀ in 7 games & ST/with a backup role(no off season dumped Simmons straight into the deep end of pool. Freak 6'4 238 withĀ 4.39Ā 40 speed).. JOK is the Dick Butkus award winner..But Butkus hadĀ to think? Where's the beef"Ā Jaylin Smith/ Devin White LB beef..
I've been spending most my LB viewing choices looking at guys like Chazz Surratt//Jabril Cox//Barron Browning & Justin HillardĀ from OSU... My hope is a falling edge rusher falls to us in the 1st..What I'm not seeing? Is a Top 3 WR speed blazer falling to us in rd.1.. But a Corner/ Box Safety or LB may happen.. I could see Berry using the extra 3rd or 4th to get up higher in the 2nd..Top 25Ā looks fairly solid there too..Ā pro-dayĀ times & drills will surelyĀ shake some things up..Ā JOK ranks 2nd, only behind Parsons in most LB rankings..
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Been messing with the mocks a little and there have been some interesting shifts in where players are going.
Of note to us is that Parsons has fallen some... as in all the way to #26 in a couple sims.
Fields is another dropper... although more accurately BYU's Zack Wilson has been pushing him down.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Been messing with the mocks a little and there have been some interesting shifts in where players are going.
Of note to us is that Parsons has fallen some... as in all the way to #26 in a couple sims.
Fields is another dropper... although more accurately BYU's Zack Wilson has been pushing him down.
Been messing with the mocks a little and there have been some interesting shifts in where players are going.
Of note to us is that Parsons has fallen some... as in all the way to #26 in a couple sims.
Fields is another dropper... although more accurately BYU's Zack Wilson has been pushing him down.
It is more accurate to say thatĀ Wilson has been rising.Ā Ā
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is important to understand JOK's stats this past season.. JOK played slot corner on the field/open side aka Rover because ND went base4-3 against 3WR seriously 50% of the time - because he could shut down slot WR's including Clemson's Rodgers; the only time he was lined up like a traditional LB is when the formation was trips to the other side [and the other OLB flexed out] orĀ some such. JOK is.. ridiculous, and won't be on the board when we pick. -
I think I just did my last mock as can't see how I can improve upon it. Everything fell into place...
- 26. Kwity... we all know Kwity by now... fastest, hand-in-the-dirt, 3-down Edge in the class... and MG's new, best friend.
- 59. Mayfield... instant, quality, OL depth for every position except Center and our eventual starting RT.
- 89. Sermon... I think the kid will be a star... great Chubb insurance.
- 91. Mond... my 2021 Darkhorse QB... eventual Baker backup with trade value down the road.
- 110. McNeill... His ProDay was an eye opener... true, 3-down IDL potential.
- 132. Hufanga... hard-hitting, Safety depth our ST Coach will love.
- 169. Vincent, Jr... gotta keep @tia happy...
- 211. Philyor... my "waterbug"
One note... DraftNet's sim has "lost" our 7th Round pick, #257, so I had one to go, but I'll take this 8 and be happy...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Kwitty and Vincent long gone by the time those picks arrive.
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I think I just did my last mock as can't see how I can improve upon it. Everything fell into place...
- 26. Kwity... we all know Kwity by now... fastest, hand-in-the-dirt, 3-down Edge in the class... and MG's new, best friend.
- 59. Mayfield... instant, quality, OL depth for every position except Center and our eventual starting RT.
- 89. Sermon... I think the kid will be a star... great Chubb insurance.
- 91. Mond... my 2021 Darkhorse QB... eventual Baker backup with trade value down the road.
- 110. McNeill... His ProDay was an eye opener... true, 3-down IDL potential.
- 132. Hufanga... hard-hitting, Safety depth our ST Coach will love.
- 169. Vincent, Jr... gotta keep @tia happy...
- 211. Philyor... my "waterbug"
One note... DraftNet's sim has "lost" our 7th Round pick, #257, so I had one to go, but I'll take this 8 and be happy...
I think I just did my last mock as can't see how I can improve upon it. Everything fell into place...
- 26. Kwity... we all know Kwity by now... fastest, hand-in-the-dirt, 3-down Edge in the class... and MG's new, best friend.
- 59. Mayfield... instant, quality, OL depth for every position except Center and our eventual starting RT.
- 89. Sermon... I think the kid will be a star... great Chubb insurance.
- 91. Mond... my 2021 Darkhorse QB... eventual Baker backup with trade value down the road.
- 110. McNeill... His ProDay was an eye opener... true, 3-down IDL potential.
- 132. Hufanga... hard-hitting, Safety depth our ST Coach will love.
- 169. Vincent, Jr... gotta keep @tia happy...
- 211. Philyor... my "waterbug"
One note... DraftNet's sim has "lost" our 7th Round pick, #257, so I had one to go, but I'll take this 8 and be happy...
Re your back up QB..........just read this from Cosell
Mond has a couple things that clearly need to be worked on and can be fixed. No. 1, he holds the ball way too high. He holds the ball right under his chin, and you canāt do anything athletically with your hands that high.
If you recall, thatās the whole Jeff Tedford thing. When Aaron Rodgers came out of Cal, thatās where he held his hands and that got changed the second he got to the NFL. Because what that does is that results in upper-body stiffness and a tight throwing motion. And Mond has a very robotic and mechanical feel to the way in which plays. Because it all starts in his ball carriage, and itās way too high for him. Itās right under his chin.
I did think Kellen Mond improved. I looked at his 2019 tape and his 2020 tape. And I thought that in 2020, he had much better command of his throws and that his ball placement was consistently more precise than it was in 2019. Weāll see about what he can do when that ball carriage is lower, because I think he was a strong short-to-intermediate thrower who did turn it loose, but I thought that because of the ball carriage that his deeper throws lost energy. Because he wasnāt a loose thrower. He was so stiff and mechanical. So maybe heāll be able to drive the ball a little more and be less mechanical.
To me, heās got the look and feel of a schemed quarterback who needs the pass game structure to work for him in defining things. But thatās what Kyle Shanahan is. He defines it for you.
I came away watching Mondās tape saying to myself, āCan there be a legitimate comparison made to Dak Prescott given the traits profile?ā Now, keep in mind Prescott was a fourth-round pick and Prescottās a little bit bigger and a has a stronger deep arm, but I think there could be some similarities.
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I think I just did my last mock as can't see how I can improve upon it. Everything fell into place...
- 26. Kwity... we all know Kwity by now... fastest, hand-in-the-dirt, 3-down Edge in the class... and MG's new, best friend.
- 59. Mayfield... instant, quality, OL depth for every position except Center and our eventual starting RT.
- 89. Sermon... I think the kid will be a star... great Chubb insurance.
- 91. Mond... my 2021 Darkhorse QB... eventual Baker backup with trade value down the road.
- 110. McNeill... His ProDay was an eye opener... true, 3-down IDL potential.
- 132. Hufanga... hard-hitting, Safety depth our ST Coach will love.
- 169. Vincent, Jr... gotta keep @tia happy...
- 211. Philyor... my "waterbug"
One note... DraftNet's sim has "lost" our 7th Round pick, #257, so I had one to go, but I'll take this 8 and be happy...
I think I just did my last mock as can't see how I can improve upon it. Everything fell into place...
- 26. Kwity... we all know Kwity by now... fastest, hand-in-the-dirt, 3-down Edge in the class... and MG's new, best friend.
- 59. Mayfield... instant, quality, OL depth for every position except Center and our eventual starting RT.
- 89. Sermon... I think the kid will be a star... great Chubb insurance.
- 91. Mond... my 2021 Darkhorse QB... eventual Baker backup with trade value down the road.
- 110. McNeill... His ProDay was an eye opener... true, 3-down IDL potential.
- 132. Hufanga... hard-hitting, Safety depth our ST Coach will love.
- 169. Vincent, Jr... gotta keep @tia happy...
- 211. Philyor... my "waterbug"
One note... DraftNet's sim has "lost" our 7th Round pick, #257, so I had one to go, but I'll take this 8 and be happy...
Remember that time I was all like "Man, Poona Ford is legit"...Ā ?
Seeing a similar player watching McNeil v UNC and Va Tech.
edit: Trey reminds me of Demarco Murray, by the way.
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I think I just did my last mock as can't see how I can improve upon it. Everything fell into place...
- 26. Kwity... we all know Kwity by now... fastest, hand-in-the-dirt, 3-down Edge in the class... and MG's new, best friend.
- 59. Mayfield... instant, quality, OL depth for every position except Center and our eventual starting RT.
- 89. Sermon... I think the kid will be a star... great Chubb insurance.
- 91. Mond... my 2021 Darkhorse QB... eventual Baker backup with trade value down the road.
- 110. McNeill... His ProDay was an eye opener... true, 3-down IDL potential.
- 132. Hufanga... hard-hitting, Safety depth our ST Coach will love.
- 169. Vincent, Jr... gotta keep @tia happy...
- 211. Philyor... my "waterbug"
One note... DraftNet's sim has "lost" our 7th Round pick, #257, so I had one to go, but I'll take this 8 and be happy...
Re your back up QB..........just read this from Cosell
Mond has a couple things that clearly need to be worked on and can be fixed. No. 1, he holds the ball way too high. He holds the ball right under his chin, and you canāt do anything athletically with your hands that high.
If you recall, thatās the whole Jeff Tedford thing. When Aaron Rodgers came out of Cal, thatās where he held his hands and that got changed the second he got to the NFL. Because what that does is that results in upper-body stiffness and a tight throwing motion. And Mond has a very robotic and mechanical feel to the way in which plays. Because it all starts in his ball carriage, and itās way too high for him. Itās right under his chin.
I did think Kellen Mond improved. I looked at his 2019 tape and his 2020 tape. And I thought that in 2020, he had much better command of his throws and that his ball placement was consistently more precise than it was in 2019. Weāll see about what he can do when that ball carriage is lower, because I think he was a strong short-to-intermediate thrower who did turn it loose, but I thought that because of the ball carriage that his deeper throws lost energy. Because he wasnāt a loose thrower. He was so stiff and mechanical. So maybe heāll be able to drive the ball a little more and be less mechanical.
To me, heās got the look and feel of a schemed quarterback who needs the pass game structure to work for him in defining things. But thatās what Kyle Shanahan is. He defines it for you.
I came away watching Mondās tape saying to myself, āCan there be a legitimate comparison made to Dak Prescott given the traits profile?ā Now, keep in mind Prescott was a fourth-round pick and Prescottās a little bit bigger and a has a stronger deep arm, but I think there could be some similarities.
Mond has a couple things that clearly need to be worked on and can be fixed. No. 1, he holds the ball way too high. He holds the ball right under his chin, and you canāt do anything athletically with your hands that high.
Could not disagree with the above more...
Holding the ball high is key to Mond's quick release and I see no price being paid "athletically".
Agree with the Dak comp except that Mond is about at Dak's Jr.-year level. Dak benefitted from QBing the same system for all four years at MSU, while as a Frosh Mond suffered through the wreckage that was Sumlin's last season before Jimbo Fisher bought a house in College Station.
Remember that time I was all like "Man, Poona Ford is legit"...Ā ?
Now that you mention it... yup.
On Sermon... while I can see Murray, the comp I keep seeing is Corey Dillon.
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Playing with gum's sim find... this time wheelin' n dealin'.
Trading is "easy" with the "trade meter" evaluating your offers. All trades are user initiated, but if you try to trade with a team who is not interested the meter sits there empty.
And the results...
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Playing with gum's sim find... this time wheelin' n dealin'.
Trading is "easy" with the "trade meter" evaluating your offers. All trades are user initiated, but if you try to trade with a team who is not interested the meter sits there empty.
And the results...
Playing with gum's sim find... this time wheelin' n dealin'.
Trading is "easy" with the "trade meter" evaluating your offers. All trades are user initiated, but if you try to trade with a team who is not interested the meter sits there empty.
#95 - you sure like that dark horse QB don't ya.?
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Playing with gum's sim find... this time wheelin' n dealin'.
Trading is "easy" with the "trade meter" evaluating your offers. All trades are user initiated, but if you try to trade with a team who is not interested the meter sits there empty.
#95 - you sure like that dark horse QB don't ya.?
#95 - you sure like that dark horse QB don't ya.?
In our mock draft I selected him atĀ #74Ā for theĀ WTFs.Ā Ā There is a team in need of a future QB, andĀ unless they do a trade up fromĀ #19Ā I don't see them getting any of the topĀ 5:Ā Trevor, Fields, Jones, Wilson,Ā and the ND St. guy.Ā Ā I could actually see him going to them at #51.
Fair to say?Ā
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#95 - you sure like that dark horse QB don't ya.?
In our mock draft I selected him atĀ #74Ā for theĀ WTFs.Ā Ā There is a team in need of a future QB, andĀ unless they do a trade up fromĀ #19Ā I don't see them getting any of the topĀ 5:Ā Trevor, Fields, Jones, Wilson,Ā and the ND St. guy.Ā Ā I could actually see him going to them at #51.
Fair to say?Ā
In our mock draft I selected him atĀ #74Ā for theĀ WTFs.Ā Ā There is a team in need of a future QB, andĀ unless they do a trade up fromĀ #19Ā I don't see them getting any of the topĀ 5:Ā Trevor, Fields, Jones, Wilson,Ā and the ND St. guy.Ā Ā I could actually see him going to them at #51.
Fair to say?Ā
Very possible .
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Iām on the Davis Mills QB Stanford bandwagon. Ā
ĀMaybe he gets to our 4th round pick. Ā He would beĀ a great understudy (redshirt year next season)Ā I think he would mesh well with StefanskiāsĀ offense and take over the 2nd QB spot in 2022 and we can cut Keenum and save the dough where it is needed elsewhere.
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