"Good for the League" What is that?
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Probably because any bad team loses fan interest when they suck. There is more fan interest in the Browns now then there was 4 years ago. Being a larger fan base, NY as an example will lose more causal fans , and casual fans is who the sports leagues are interested in capturing. So with more casual fans in the big markets v the smaller markets, it's in the best interest of the league to have the big markets captured.
It's like that in any business. If Crest toothpaste is your product, you aren't trying to market so much to the person who buys 6 tubes a year, you have them. You are gearing towards the person who buys 1 tube a year in an effort to get them to buy the other five.
I agree to a point. Sort of came up in the season ticket thread. What the leagues want are casual fans with lots of money to spend on their product. And big market cities charge a lot more, even if their teams suck. As Tex said, Jerry is getting BMW prices for his Ford Focus product Cowboys.
Guys like Cowherd and Steven A are living in the past. The days of needing big market teams to do well are over. It's a lot more national now. The Lakers won the NBA title and no one (except Jack Nicholson) gave a rat. The impact of those teams on the league's overall bottom line is negligible.
Regarding the NFL- yeah, Browns fans are pretty well- fanatic. Even after a decade+ of suckage, the 100 level of First Energy remained totally sold out.
I agree to a point. Sort of came up in the season ticket thread. What the leagues want are casual fans with lots of money to spend on their product. And big market cities charge a lot more, even if their teams suck. As Tex said, Jerry is getting BMW prices for his Ford Focus product Cowboys.
Guys like Cowherd and Steven A are living in the past. The days of needing big market teams to do well are over. It's a lot more national now. The Lakers won the NBA title and no one (except Jack Nicholson) gave a rat. The impact of those teams on the league's overall bottom line is negligible.
Regarding the NFL- yeah, Browns fans are pretty well- fanatic. Even after a decade+ of suckage, the 100 level of First Energy remained totally sold out.
And, the reason that the fans don't see Damian Lillard is because he plays on the West Coast....where games are played so late. That still affects the likes of the Clippers and Warriors.
So, perhaps a note of caution to the NBA:
IF you are thinking of expanding the league by the two teams (which they should do), ignore Seattle Las Vegas and choose a couple of cities in the Eastern/Central Time zone: Norfolk/Va. Beach? (Pittsburgh/Cinci/Nashville/KC/Montreal?)
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I've watched exactly ZERO NBA games since LeBron James left Cleveland......I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I will watch ZERO NBA games next year.
1. NCAA FOOTBALL 1.a. NFL FOOTBALL 2. Indians baseball in the many rankings that we've done in the past.
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I've watched exactly ZERO NBA games since LeBron James left Cleveland......I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I will watch ZERO NBA games next year.
1. NCAA FOOTBALL 1.a. NFL FOOTBALL 2. Indians baseball in the many rankings that we've done in the past.
I've watched exactly ZERO NBA games since LeBron James left Cleveland......I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I will watch ZERO NBA games next year.
1. NCAA FOOTBALL 1.a. NFL FOOTBALL 2. Indians baseball in the many rankings that we've done in the past.
My rankings are different.
1) I can say I've watched every Browns game since 1999, I'll even watch another game if I have nothing better to do. Heck, I even watched 10 minutes of the 2020 replay of the Steelers- Cowboys game on NFLN yesterday.
2) Though I do follow the Buckeyes, covid screwed things up so badly last year, I hardly watched anything until the Bowl games and Playoff. (Small nod to UD & college basketball, covid screwed them out of a once in a lifetime legit title shot last spring. )
3) Just guessing, I've watched maybe 10 hours of the NBA since Lebron left town. I must be nuts to waste $180 bucks a year to get Sportstime Ohio on DirecTV. The only thing I watch on it anymore is Browns Red Zone during football season.
4) If I want to take a nap, I'll tune into a MLB game. My interest in the Tribe highly dependent on how they're doing. I'll watch as much of the NHL as I will MLB, ditto that for soccer. Tuned in for all the Crew's playoff run, and eventual championship.
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Once upon a time I was really into college basketball....in the 80s/90s. But no more. Because of players leaving early you get no sense of anything from the college games. It has been diluted so bad, there is no way to follow it. I mean, sometimes the best players are freshmen who play maybe a half dozen games (see: Kyrie Irving). Even like Ohio State. I cannot tell you the name of a single player on that team.
So, it may have been in the best interests of all these players to go to the NBA so quickly, but in my opinion that has in NO way been in the best interest of college basketball.
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Once upon a time I was really into college basketball....in the 80s/90s. But no more. Because of players leaving early you get no sense of anything from the college games. It has been diluted so bad, there is no way to follow it. I mean, sometimes the best players are freshmen who play maybe a half dozen games (see: Kyrie Irving). Even like Ohio State. I cannot tell you the name of a single player on that team.
So, it may have been in the best interests of all these players to go to the NBA so quickly, but in my opinion that has in NO way been in the best interest of college basketball.
Once upon a time I was really into college basketball....in the 80s/90s. But no more. Because of players leaving early you get no sense of anything from the college games. It has been diluted so bad, there is no way to follow it. I mean, sometimes the best players are freshmen who play maybe a half dozen games (see: Kyrie Irving). Even like Ohio State. I cannot tell you the name of a single player on that team.
So, it may have been in the best interests of all these players to go to the NBA so quickly, but in my opinion that has in NO way been in the best interest of college basketball.
I’m not a big basketball fan, But the NCAA Tournament ranks pretty high for me. Both for betting interests and the games are pretty wild high intensity with effort at 100%. I’ll start watching college basketball late February until the end.
I hear you on the one and done making it harder to follow. Let them skip college altogether the one year stuff is dumb IMO. OSU playing now actually. OSU has done pretty well this year with 3/4 year type guys. They are recruiting the second tier guys that aren’t necessarily draftees maybe they work themselves into the 2nd round by the end of their careers and they are well coached. Lots of depth this year but They have no size. The wrong matchup in the tournament and they are a goner.
The NBA regular season is a snooze fest. The playoffs are no longer exciting until later rounds (even that isn’t a given).
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Probably because any bad team loses fan interest when they suck. There is more fan interest in the Browns now then there was 4 years ago. Being a larger fan base, NY as an example will lose more causal fans , and casual fans is who the sports leagues are interested in capturing. So with more casual fans in the big markets v the smaller markets, it's in the best interest of the league to have the big markets captured.
It's like that in any business. If Crest toothpaste is your product, you aren't trying to market so much to the person who buys 6 tubes a year, you have them. You are gearing towards the person who buys 1 tube a year in an effort to get them to buy the other five.
I agree to a point. Sort of came up in the season ticket thread. What the leagues want are casual fans with lots of money to spend on their product. And big market cities charge a lot more, even if their teams suck. As Tex said, Jerry is getting BMW prices for his Ford Focus product Cowboys.
Guys like Cowherd and Steven A are living in the past. The days of needing big market teams to do well are over. It's a lot more national now. The Lakers won the NBA title and no one (except Jack Nicholson) gave a rat. The impact of those teams on the league's overall bottom line is negligible.
Regarding the NFL- yeah, Browns fans are pretty well- fanatic. Even after a decade+ of suckage, the 100 level of First Energy remained totally sold out.
I agree to a point. Sort of came up in the season ticket thread. What the leagues want are casual fans with lots of money to spend on their product. And big market cities charge a lot more, even if their teams suck. As Tex said, Jerry is getting BMW prices for his Ford Focus product Cowboys.
Guys like Cowherd and Steven A are living in the past. The days of needing big market teams to do well are over. It's a lot more national now. The Lakers won the NBA title and no one (except Jack Nicholson) gave a rat. The impact of those teams on the league's overall bottom line is negligible.
Regarding the NFL- yeah, Browns fans are pretty well- fanatic. Even after a decade+ of suckage, the 100 level of First Energy remained totally sold out.
Just a comment as a general point.
We can complain about ticket prices. I do to a degree. My wife and I are pretty well off and it is getting to the point where it is getting hard to justify the expense to satisfy the passion. I could continue to pay more and more. It is starting to close in on the point at which I have to consider if I want to continue to spend the money. There is a price point to everything.
For the NFL, as long as fans continue to call for signing this FA or that FA they will. We have to remember they aren't using Monopoly money. They are using their money, and like anyone else, they expect to get a ROI. It's easy for us to throw a few $mil here and there when it isn't our money. Only when it becomes our money being thrown does the old ass begin to pucker up.
There are always going to be people with more money who are willing to spend, so as long as that factor is in play, we will have to deal with it. Those people on the current waiting list aren't signing up just to put $100 down to be on a list. They want seats. Your seats, my seats, they don't care.
After thinking about it, my plan is to now attempt to sell 4-5 games and hope the demand allows me to make a few bucks more than I have in them to help finance next season or cover some of my travel expense. I also own the PSL to my seats. I should be able to simply sell those at a nice profit. It's the quickest way in to the stadium with nice seats rather than getting whatever crappy seats the Browns stick them with.
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I agree to a point. Sort of came up in the season ticket thread. What the leagues want are casual fans with lots of money to spend on their product. And big market cities charge a lot more, even if their teams suck. As Tex said, Jerry is getting BMW prices for his Ford Focus product Cowboys.
Guys like Cowherd and Steven A are living in the past. The days of needing big market teams to do well are over. It's a lot more national now. The Lakers won the NBA title and no one (except Jack Nicholson) gave a rat. The impact of those teams on the league's overall bottom line is negligible.
Regarding the NFL- yeah, Browns fans are pretty well- fanatic. Even after a decade+ of suckage, the 100 level of First Energy remained totally sold out.
Just a comment as a general point.
We can complain about ticket prices. I do to a degree. My wife and I are pretty well off and it is getting to the point where it is getting hard to justify the expense to satisfy the passion. I could continue to pay more and more. It is starting to close in on the point at which I have to consider if I want to continue to spend the money. There is a price point to everything.
For the NFL, as long as fans continue to call for signing this FA or that FA they will. We have to remember they aren't using Monopoly money. They are using their money, and like anyone else, they expect to get a ROI. It's easy for us to throw a few $mil here and there when it isn't our money. Only when it becomes our money being thrown does the old ass begin to pucker up.
There are always going to be people with more money who are willing to spend, so as long as that factor is in play, we will have to deal with it. Those people on the current waiting list aren't signing up just to put $100 down to be on a list. They want seats. Your seats, my seats, they don't care.
After thinking about it, my plan is to now attempt to sell 4-5 games and hope the demand allows me to make a few bucks more than I have in them to help finance next season or cover some of my travel expense. I also own the PSL to my seats. I should be able to simply sell those at a nice profit. It's the quickest way in to the stadium with nice seats rather than getting whatever crappy seats the Browns stick them with.
Just a comment as a general point.
We can complain about ticket prices. I do to a degree. My wife and I are pretty well off and it is getting to the point where it is getting hard to justify the expense to satisfy the passion. I could continue to pay more and more. It is starting to close in on the point at which I have to consider if I want to continue to spend the money. There is a price point to everything.
For the NFL, as long as fans continue to call for signing this FA or that FA they will. We have to remember they aren't using Monopoly money. They are using their money, and like anyone else, they expect to get a ROI. It's easy for us to throw a few $mil here and there when it isn't our money. Only when it becomes our money being thrown does the old ass begin to pucker up.
There are always going to be people with more money who are willing to spend, so as long as that factor is in play, we will have to deal with it. Those people on the current waiting list aren't signing up just to put $100 down to be on a list. They want seats. Your seats, my seats, they don't care.
After thinking about it, my plan is to now attempt to sell 4-5 games and hope the demand allows me to make a few bucks more than I have in them to help finance next season or cover some of my travel expense. I also own the PSL to my seats. I should be able to simply sell those at a nice profit. It's the quickest way in to the stadium with nice seats rather than getting whatever crappy seats the Browns stick them with.
With a salary cap, I assumed that the theory was that every team would essentially be spending the same amount of money for its players so that there could be some degree of parity involved. If a team is to be successful in a salary cap league, then it is supposed to come down to intelligent organization/management and capable talent evaluation and coaching....not just how much money you can spend. In other words....the opposite of baseball where sometimes a team's success depends on how much money they can spend since they have no cap. If you are in a large market with a large revenue stream compared to small markets, your chances of "buying" a championship are much greater. Basically, that is what the Dodgers did last year...and which the Yankees have done in the past. While money isn't everything....and does not guarantee a championship....it can pretty much guarantee perpetual competitiveness. And small market teams can only count on intelligent management/coaching/talent evaluation for a bit. They tend to lose their best players after a certain point: (Can you say Indians/Francisco Lindor). Their window of opportunity to win a title is often considerably more narrow than the big market clubs.
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1 New York Yankees 0.550 28 $77,215,694 $9,920,725 $23,982,977 $6,593,300 - $111,939,081 2 Los Angeles Dodgers 0.717 28 $77,165,961 $493,889 $17,417,530 $11,339,500 - $108,417,397 3 Chicago Cubs 0.567 29 $66,116,504 $6,448,626 $12,464,463 $11,069,500 - $86,596,171 4 Boston Red Sox 0.400 28 $34,811,788 $17,903,483 $15,553,004 $19,962,928 - $84,210,390 5 Houston Astros 0.483 28 $61,049,512 $18,763,334 $250,000 $6,075,200 - $82,536,161 6 New York Mets 0.433 28 $46,360,406 $15,399,881 $18,418,790 $4,947,000 - $81,945,598 7 Philadelphia Phillies 0.467 28 $57,105,401 $13,236,891 $10,012,073 $6,399,500 - $80,893,547 8 Washington Nationals 0.433 28 $45,664,863 $20,500,582 $7,137,096 $2,563,500 - $75,067,703 9 San Francisco Giants 0.483 28 $40,562,214 $1,428,006 $13,996,618 $22,631,250 - $73,408,817 10 St. Louis Cardinals 0.517 28 $51,757,860 $12,343,763 $12,000,000 $7,340,100 - $73,246,343 11 San Diego Padres 0.617 28 $54,293,958 $3,531,020 $14,471,215 $6,086,600 - $73,097,954 12 Colorado Rockies 0.433 28 $23,940,328 $17,205,744 $30,851,852 $4,017,500 - $67,808,533 13 Los Angeles Angels 0.433 28 $56,525,010 $509,650 $3,356,290 $6,884,500 - $66,040,893 14 Arizona Diamondbacks 0.417 28 $20,283,697 $1,589,593 $40,016,446 $4,524,600 $563,500 $65,598,752 15 Texas Rangers 0.367 28 $30,877,925 $16,905,177 $15,338,320 $4,301,000 - $64,214,137 16 Atlanta Braves 0.583 28 $50,458,292 $7,255,497 $1,000,284 $17,610,000 - $63,561,931 LEAGUE AVERAGE $61,103,03717 Minnesota Twins 0.600 28 $45,057,558 $6,876,058 $7,313,300 $6,669,000 - $55,679,689 18 Cincinnati Reds 0.517 28 $51,957,121 $658,696 $1,922,138 $6,117,500 - $55,638,685 19 Toronto Blue Jays 0.533 28 $33,467,052 $5,114,444 $14,667,030 $6,643,100 - $54,997,060 20 Chicago White Sox 0.583 28 $43,034,329 $1,819,815 $7,812,642 $6,821,500 - $53,665,251 21 Seattle Mariners 0.450 28 $24,865,136 $3,268,960 $30,708,712 $5,731,000 - $50,433,829 22 Detroit Tigers 0.397 28 $29,636,694 $6,108,631 $6,488,226 $5,099,700 - $43,164,880 23 Milwaukee Brewers 0.483 28 $28,464,819 $1,203,704 $4,484,938 $4,963,300 - $41,434,086 24 Cleveland Indians 0.583 28 $34,471,070 $209,630 $3,269,241 $4,642,500 $564,800 $39,299,107 25 Oakland Athletics 0.600 28 $35,283,875 $902,038 $113,148 $3,957,000 - $36,720,178 26 Kansas City Royals 0.433 28 $25,320,148 $7,093,210 $1,464,114 $6,818,450 - $34,812,194 27 Miami Marlins 0.517 28 $14,721,932 $2,897,429 $12,335,262 $10,427,000 - $31,555,593 28 Tampa Bay Rays 0.667 28 $21,769,463 $1,958,020 $2,086,951 $9,537,125 - $28,290,689 29 Pittsburgh Pirates 0.317 28 $12,738,842 $8,462,127 $2,437,508 $2,817,500 $5,750,000 $25,337,837 30 Baltimore Orioles 0.417 28 $10,252,278 $11,102,531 $1,264,595 $3,402,900 - $23,478,635 -
MLB teams operate on different margins.
Kluber - Yankees
Rosario- Indians
just another example of it
The Yankees can pay a guy like Kluber 11M this season. His arm appears to be shot. He doesn’t work he goes on the DL and they find someone prior to the deadline and absorb half of that salary too.
The Indians pay Rosario 8M put him in the middle of the lineup cast a guy like Naquin away. And they hope and pray he works so they can keep open an outside shot at a wildcard and produce enough runs for their rotation. If he doesn’t they will bring up a AA AAA guy in July and hope he works. But they are hesitate to do that because it starts his free agent clock.
Same Game Same League Yet they operate in two different ways -
MLB teams operate on different margins.
Kluber - Yankees
Rosario- Indians
just another example of it
The Yankees can pay a guy like Kluber 11M this season. His arm appears to be shot. He doesn’t work he goes on the DL and they find someone prior to the deadline and absorb half of that salary too.
The Indians pay Rosario 8M put him in the middle of the lineup cast a guy like Naquin away. And they hope and pray he works so they can keep open an outside shot at a wildcard and produce enough runs for their rotation. If he doesn’t they will bring up a AA AAA guy in July and hope he works. But they are hesitate to do that because it starts his free agent clock.
Same Game Same League Yet they operate in two different waysMLB teams operate on different margins.
Kluber - Yankees
Rosario- Indians
just another example of it
The Yankees can pay a guy like Kluber 11M this season. His arm appears to be shot. He doesn’t work he goes on the DL and they find someone prior to the deadline and absorb half of that salary too.
The Indians pay Rosario 8M put him in the middle of the lineup cast a guy like Naquin away. And they hope and pray he works so they can keep open an outside shot at a wildcard and produce enough runs for their rotation. If he doesn’t they will bring up a AA AAA guy in July and hope he works. But they are hesitate to do that because it starts his free agent clock.
Same Game Same League Yet they operate in two different waysThe point of my earlier post was to demonstrate the fact that the Yankees have a 111 million payroll, and the Orioles only a 23 million payroll. With that kind of disparity in the ability of a team to pay players....how could you ever have parity.
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MLB teams operate on different margins.
Kluber - Yankees
Rosario- Indians
just another example of it
The Yankees can pay a guy like Kluber 11M this season. His arm appears to be shot. He doesn’t work he goes on the DL and they find someone prior to the deadline and absorb half of that salary too.
The Indians pay Rosario 8M put him in the middle of the lineup cast a guy like Naquin away. And they hope and pray he works so they can keep open an outside shot at a wildcard and produce enough runs for their rotation. If he doesn’t they will bring up a AA AAA guy in July and hope he works. But they are hesitate to do that because it starts his free agent clock.
Same Game Same League Yet they operate in two different waysThe point of my earlier post was to demonstrate the fact that the Yankees have a 111 million payroll, and the Orioles only a 23 million payroll. With that kind of disparity in the ability of a team to pay players....how could you ever have parity.
The point of my earlier post was to demonstrate the fact that the Yankees have a 111 million payroll, and the Orioles only a 23 million payroll. With that kind of disparity in the ability of a team to pay players....how could you ever have parity.
The stars have to align and The room for error is razor thin.
My post was just to highlight your point in an actual offseason scenario.
When the Indians have been serious contenders in the past decade (Back in the 90s they spent money in comparison to others) They weren’t paying the second contract with their “star” players that was the key. Other Contributing factors stuff came together at the right time (timely hitting, or great bullpen, or starting pitching, and a few times all of the above). Secondly, they did the trademark one year deal with veterans coming off a year where they struggled examples: Mike Napoli, Rajai Davis, Austin Jackson, Yonder Alonzo. Lastly, they seemed to have a guy or two each year emerge from the Farm to be an unexpected or earlier than projected success (farm is the lifeline of these types of teams).
For every small market great story like the Rays Indians the majority of the time parity isn’t possible without the perfect storm for these teams
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To highlight the above comments, small market team do emerge on a fairly regular basis, but those teams change from one year or two to the next while the big market teams always seem to be in the mix. The reason is it is more of a sure thing to buy a proven major leaguer than hope this guy or that guy have career years and a few of the young guys come up and actually make a solid impact.
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