2021 'Who are you watching?' NFL prospect thread.
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Question: Might the Browns be looking for a decent punt and Kickoff return man this year in the draft. I think it is fair to say that we have not really had a decent one of those since Travis Benjamin was here....so, quite a number of years. Or, is there anyone on this team that anyone think could be really good at handling those jobs. (I am not seeing it).
I know it is a "minor" position, but it could become a major asset if we really had one. After all, think about what having a Josh Cribbs and an Eric Metcalf meant for us.
Who is Kent State's QB? They seem to end up being really good at other positions.
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Browns 2020 Kick and Punt return stats. Not impressive IMO.
Kick & Punt Returns
Games Punt Returns Kick Returns No. Player Age Pos G GS Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd Team Total 25.6 16 24 115 0 13 4.8 36 795 0 43 22.1 7160 Opp Total 16 25 229 0 9.2 38 998 1 26.3 11 Donovan Peoples-Jones 21 12 2 18 77 0 13 4.3 18 379 0 33 21.1 760 30 D'Ernest Johnson 24 16 0 3 13 0 10 4.3 14 351 0 43 25.1 544 19 Jojo Natson 26 3 0 3 25 0 13 8.3 1 31 0 31 31.0 59 25 Dontrell Hilliard 25 5 0 2 21 0 13 10.5 71 31 Andy Janovich 27 14 3 1 13 0 13 13.0 30 I mean, is Natson coming back supposed to vastly improve us in this department?
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Browns 2020 Kick and Punt return stats. Not impressive IMO.
Kick & Punt Returns
Games Punt Returns Kick Returns No. Player Age Pos G GS Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd Team Total 25.6 16 24 115 0 13 4.8 36 795 0 43 22.1 7160 Opp Total 16 25 229 0 9.2 38 998 1 26.3 11 Donovan Peoples-Jones 21 12 2 18 77 0 13 4.3 18 379 0 33 21.1 760 30 D'Ernest Johnson 24 16 0 3 13 0 10 4.3 14 351 0 43 25.1 544 19 Jojo Natson 26 3 0 3 25 0 13 8.3 1 31 0 31 31.0 59 25 Dontrell Hilliard 25 5 0 2 21 0 13 10.5 71 31 Andy Janovich 27 14 3 1 13 0 13 13.0 30 I mean, is Natson coming back supposed to vastly improve us in this department?
Browns 2020 Kick and Punt return stats. Not impressive IMO.
Kick & Punt Returns
Games Punt Returns Kick Returns No. Player Age Pos G GS Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd Team Total 25.6 16 24 115 0 13 4.8 36 795 0 43 22.1 7160 Opp Total 16 25 229 0 9.2 38 998 1 26.3 11 Donovan Peoples-Jones 21 12 2 18 77 0 13 4.3 18 379 0 33 21.1 760 30 D'Ernest Johnson 24 16 0 3 13 0 10 4.3 14 351 0 43 25.1 544 19 Jojo Natson 26 3 0 3 25 0 13 8.3 1 31 0 31 31.0 59 25 Dontrell Hilliard 25 5 0 2 21 0 13 10.5 71 31 Andy Janovich 27 14 3 1 13 0 13 13.0 30 I mean, is Natson coming back supposed to vastly improve us in this department?
Kickoff return is nearly an obsolete skill set with the way touchbacks happen nowadays.
I was happy with the way DPJ secured punts. 1st job is always secure (catch it) and hang onto it most importantly we keep the ball but also we don’t give up field position
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Browns 2020 Kick and Punt return stats. Not impressive IMO.
Kick & Punt Returns
Games Punt Returns Kick Returns No. Player Age Pos G GS Ret Yds TD Lng Y/R Rt Yds TD Lng Y/Rt APYd Team Total 25.6 16 24 115 0 13 4.8 36 795 0 43 22.1 7160 Opp Total 16 25 229 0 9.2 38 998 1 26.3 11 Donovan Peoples-Jones 21 12 2 18 77 0 13 4.3 18 379 0 33 21.1 760 30 D'Ernest Johnson 24 16 0 3 13 0 10 4.3 14 351 0 43 25.1 544 19 Jojo Natson 26 3 0 3 25 0 13 8.3 1 31 0 31 31.0 59 25 Dontrell Hilliard 25 5 0 2 21 0 13 10.5 71 31 Andy Janovich 27 14 3 1 13 0 13 13.0 30 I mean, is Natson coming back supposed to vastly improve us in this department?
Kickoff return is nearly an obsolete skill set with the way touchbacks happen nowadays.
I was happy with the way DPJ secured punts. 1st job is always secure (catch it) and hang onto it most importantly we keep the ball but also we don’t give up field position
Kickoff return is nearly an obsolete skill set with the way touchbacks happen nowadays.
I was happy with the way DPJ secured punts. 1st job is always secure (catch it) and hang onto it most importantly we keep the ball but also we don’t give up field position
Yes, true. The league hates what was one of the most exciting plays in football. But in my opinion, their concerns over safety associated with kickoffs is way overblown.
And, sure. Catching the punt is better than muffing it....but I am talking about getting someone who is a threat to take the ball back all the way....after he secures it.
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Kickoff return is nearly an obsolete skill set with the way touchbacks happen nowadays.
I was happy with the way DPJ secured punts. 1st job is always secure (catch it) and hang onto it most importantly we keep the ball but also we don’t give up field position
Yes, true. The league hates what was one of the most exciting plays in football. But in my opinion, their concerns over safety associated with kickoffs is way overblown.
And, sure. Catching the punt is better than muffing it....but I am talking about getting someone who is a threat to take the ball back all the way....after he secures it.
Yes, true. The league hates what was one of the most exciting plays in football. But in my opinion, their concerns over safety associated with kickoffs is way overblown.
And, sure. Catching the punt is better than muffing it....but I am talking about getting someone who is a threat to take the ball back all the way....after he secures it.
Believe it is Luxury at this point. Browns 5,10,15, 20 years ago it was more of necessity as a source of offense because we didn’t have the luxury of an actual pass/run score points offense.
Times are changing
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Unless I missed it, I'm still anxiously awaiting to hear some IOL value picks from @tour2ma
Unless I missed it, I'm still anxiously awaiting to hear some IOL value picks from @tour2ma
lol... didn't do a lot of work on OL since we're pretty well set, but...
Vast majority of the late round IOLs are not ZBS fits, but there are a couple exceptions...
- Pitt kid... Morrissey... looks like best fit in 2nd half of Day 3, but he's basically a 2021 version of Nick Harris.
- Middle Tennessee's Robert Jones could be worth a 6th round flyer... played OT, and dominated lesser competition, he moves reasonably well, but is definitely moving inside. Hard to know when he will go in Day 3 tho. 5th round is not out of the question.
- Want to spend more? Stanford's Drew Dallman likely costs you a 4th. Good technician, but needs to hit the weight room.... hard.
OTs (since you didn't ask
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If we trade down, then I think tu's Cosmi has to be considered late-1st/early 2nd. Instant backup everywhere except Center and brings cheap, cap-pinch value to our right side. That said... I doubt we go there, so in the economy class...
- tsun's Jalen Mayfield... OK not exactly ECON, but closer. Again he brings 4-position versatility and great value. Might be there late 2nd.
- Cheaper? Western Michigan's Jaylon Moore. Really fluid mover, and compact enough to handle OG with some work. Small school discount should land him in the 6th.
- Even cheaper? Iowa's Alaric Jackson... looked at him last year when it was believed he'd declare. For some reason he's fallen this year (maybe age?). Should be there very late... possible UDFA. Likely only an OT.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Unless I missed it, I'm still anxiously awaiting to hear some IOL value picks from @tour2ma
lol... didn't do a lot of work on OL since we're pretty well set, but...
Vast majority of the late round IOLs are not ZBS fits, but there are a couple exceptions...
- Pitt kid... Morrissey... looks like best fit in 2nd half of Day 3, but he's basically a 2021 version of Nick Harris.
- Middle Tennessee's Robert Jones could be worth a 6th round flyer... played OT, and dominated lesser competition, he moves reasonably well, but is definitely moving inside. Hard to know when he will go in Day 3 tho. 5th round is not out of the question.
- Want to spend more? Stanford's Drew Dallman likely costs you a 4th. Good technician, but needs to hit the weight room.... hard.
OTs (since you didn't ask
)?
If we trade down, then I think tu's Cosmi has to be considered late-1st/early 2nd. Instant backup everywhere except Center and brings cheap, cap-pinch value to our right side. That said... I doubt we go there, so in the economy class...
- tsun's Jalen Mayfield... OK not exactly ECON, but closer. Again he brings 4-position versatility and great value. Might be there late 2nd.
- Cheaper? Western Michigan's Jaylon Moore. Really fluid mover, and compact enough to handle OG with some work. Small school discount should land him in the 6th.
- Even cheaper? Iowa's Alaric Jackson... looked at him last year when it was believed he'd declare. For some reason he's fallen this year (maybe age?). Should be there very late... possible UDFA. Likely only an OT.
lol... didn't do a lot of work on OL since we're pretty well set
Not after 2021 we're not.. no re-signing of Teller and cutting Tretter/starting Harris to save 2+8 salary. Sure, they could go another direction but.. late-round IOL is a lot more probable to become a productive/excellent starter than late-round WR. So we need both a future RG starter and quality backups at both spots.
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lol... didn't do a lot of work on OL since we're pretty well set
Not after 2021 we're not.. no re-signing of Teller and cutting Tretter/starting Harris to save 2+8 salary. Sure, they could go another direction but.. late-round IOL is a lot more probable to become a productive/excellent starter than late-round WR. So we need both a future RG starter and quality backups at both spots.
Not after 2021 we're not.. no re-signing of Teller and cutting Tretter/starting Harris to save 2+8 salary. Sure, they could go another direction but.. late-round IOL is a lot more probable to become a productive/excellent starter than late-round WR. So we need both a future RG starter and quality backups at both spots.
Well... it's not as if I did not give any names.
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Unless I missed it, I'm still anxiously awaiting to hear some IOL value picks from @tour2ma
lol... didn't do a lot of work on OL since we're pretty well set, but...
Vast majority of the late round IOLs are not ZBS fits, but there are a couple exceptions...
- Pitt kid... Morrissey... looks like best fit in 2nd half of Day 3, but he's basically a 2021 version of Nick Harris.
- Middle Tennessee's Robert Jones could be worth a 6th round flyer... played OT, and dominated lesser competition, he moves reasonably well, but is definitely moving inside. Hard to know when he will go in Day 3 tho. 5th round is not out of the question.
- Want to spend more? Stanford's Drew Dallman likely costs you a 4th. Good technician, but needs to hit the weight room.... hard.
OTs (since you didn't ask
)?
If we trade down, then I think tu's Cosmi has to be considered late-1st/early 2nd. Instant backup everywhere except Center and brings cheap, cap-pinch value to our right side. That said... I doubt we go there, so in the economy class...
- tsun's Jalen Mayfield... OK not exactly ECON, but closer. Again he brings 4-position versatility and great value. Might be there late 2nd.
- Cheaper? Western Michigan's Jaylon Moore. Really fluid mover, and compact enough to handle OG with some work. Small school discount should land him in the 6th.
- Even cheaper? Iowa's Alaric Jackson... looked at him last year when it was believed he'd declare. For some reason he's fallen this year (maybe age?). Should be there very late... possible UDFA. Likely only an OT.
lol... didn't do a lot of work on OL since we're pretty well set, but...
Vast majority of the late round IOLs are not ZBS fits, but there are a couple exceptions...
- Pitt kid... Morrissey... looks like best fit in 2nd half of Day 3, but he's basically a 2021 version of Nick Harris.
- Middle Tennessee's Robert Jones could be worth a 6th round flyer... played OT, and dominated lesser competition, he moves reasonably well, but is definitely moving inside. Hard to know when he will go in Day 3 tho. 5th round is not out of the question.
- Want to spend more? Stanford's Drew Dallman likely costs you a 4th. Good technician, but needs to hit the weight room.... hard.
OTs (since you didn't ask
)?
If we trade down, then I think tu's Cosmi has to be considered late-1st/early 2nd. Instant backup everywhere except Center and brings cheap, cap-pinch value to our right side. That said... I doubt we go there, so in the economy class...
- tsun's Jalen Mayfield... OK not exactly ECON, but closer. Again he brings 4-position versatility and great value. Might be there late 2nd.
- Cheaper? Western Michigan's Jaylon Moore. Really fluid mover, and compact enough to handle OG with some work. Small school discount should land him in the 6th.
- Even cheaper? Iowa's Alaric Jackson... looked at him last year when it was believed he'd declare. For some reason he's fallen this year (maybe age?). Should be there very late... possible UDFA. Likely only an OT.
The Mayfield and Jackson names standout, being that they're players I've seen.
Appreciate the Intel buddy. Your Oline work is unmatched.
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If Browns drafted Mayfield I just hope the coaching staff dont get them mixed up and he starts at QB
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If Browns drafted Mayfield I just hope the coaching staff dont get them mixed up and he starts at QB
If Browns drafted Mayfield I just hope the coaching staff dont get them mixed up and he starts at QB
Baker/Jalen .....one white, one black. yea I can see how they could be confused.
By the way, a little etymology: As I understand it, the now ubiquitous name of "Jalen" for younger African Americans was created by the mother of Jalen Rose, the Michigan Fab 5 basketball player. It was an amalgamation of the names of his grandfathers whose names were James and Leonard. Ergo...Jalen.
What would be your name if your parents combined your grandfathers name to create a new name? Mine would be JaWill or WillJa. (James and William).
Perhaps more interesting would be if they did that for one of my sisters (I have 4) it would be EstLu.
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lol... didn't do a lot of work on OL since we're pretty well set, but...
Vast majority of the late round IOLs are not ZBS fits, but there are a couple exceptions...
- Pitt kid... Morrissey... looks like best fit in 2nd half of Day 3, but he's basically a 2021 version of Nick Harris.
- Middle Tennessee's Robert Jones could be worth a 6th round flyer... played OT, and dominated lesser competition, he moves reasonably well, but is definitely moving inside. Hard to know when he will go in Day 3 tho. 5th round is not out of the question.
- Want to spend more? Stanford's Drew Dallman likely costs you a 4th. Good technician, but needs to hit the weight room.... hard.
OTs (since you didn't ask
)?
If we trade down, then I think tu's Cosmi has to be considered late-1st/early 2nd. Instant backup everywhere except Center and brings cheap, cap-pinch value to our right side. That said... I doubt we go there, so in the economy class...
- tsun's Jalen Mayfield... OK not exactly ECON, but closer. Again he brings 4-position versatility and great value. Might be there late 2nd.
- Cheaper? Western Michigan's Jaylon Moore. Really fluid mover, and compact enough to handle OG with some work. Small school discount should land him in the 6th.
- Even cheaper? Iowa's Alaric Jackson... looked at him last year when it was believed he'd declare. For some reason he's fallen this year (maybe age?). Should be there very late... possible UDFA. Likely only an OT.
The Mayfield and Jackson names standout, being that they're players I've seen.
Appreciate the Intel buddy. Your Oline work is unmatched.
Appreciate the Intel buddy. Your Oline work is unmatched.
Well.... I am almost 6' tall.
Lousy 1/4" shy... at my peak.
In H.S. I did not want to play OG... cause I wanted to hit people. Then I learned OGs did. Nothing beats ear-holing a DL that doesn't see you pulling his way.
Well... maybe blindsiding a QB on a blitz... or catching a WR coming across the middle... but my distinct lack of footspeed did not afford me as many opportunities for these.
I've loved the OL ever since.
Thanks... nice to be able to pay for my DB info in some fashion.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Appreciate the Intel buddy. Your Oline work is unmatched.
Well.... I am almost 6' tall.
Lousy 1/4" shy... at my peak.
In H.S. I did not want to play OG... cause I wanted to hit people. Then I learned OGs did. Nothing beats ear-holing a DL that doesn't see you pulling his way.
Well... maybe blindsiding a QB on a blitz... or catching a WR coming across the middle... but my distinct lack of footspeed did not afford me as many opportunities for these.
I've loved the OL ever since.
Thanks... nice to be able to pay for my DB info in some fashion.
Well.... I am almost 6' tall.
Lousy 1/4" shy... at my peak.
In H.S. I did not want to play OG... cause I wanted to hit people. Then I learned OGs did. Nothing beats ear-holing a DL that doesn't see you pulling his way.
Well... maybe blindsiding a QB on a blitz... or catching a WR coming across the middle... but my distinct lack of footspeed did not afford me as many opportunities for these.
I've loved the OL ever since.
Thanks... nice to be able to pay for my DB info in some fashion.
Oh bitch you made it sound like you're 6"5 with your height supremacy. Turns out you're a 1/4in taller than me.
Also catching anyone over the middle when I have a step just gives me butterflies.
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lol.... meanwhile back at the thread...
New Edge has caught my attention late... Pitts' Rashad Weaver.
Kid has had injury issues, but he measured close to, if not, off-the-proverbial chart.
Forget the 40 and focus on the 10-yd split, shuttle and 3-cone.
Should see Day 3.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
lol.... meanwhile back at the thread...
New Edge has caught my attention late... Pitts' Rashad Weaver.
Kid has had injury issues, but he measured close to, if not, off-the-proverbial chart.
Forget the 40 and focus on the 10-yd split, shuttle and 3-cone.
Should see Day 3.
lol.... meanwhile back at the thread...
New Edge has caught my attention late... Pitts' Rashad Weaver.
Kid has had injury issues, but he measured close to, if not, off-the-proverbial chart.
Forget the 40 and focus on the 10-yd split, shuttle and 3-cone.
Should see Day 3.
Is that the #17 kid that I mentioned when I was watching Jones? If so, kid looked the part.
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Appreciate the Intel buddy. Your Oline work is unmatched.
Well.... I am almost 6' tall.
Lousy 1/4" shy... at my peak.
In H.S. I did not want to play OG... cause I wanted to hit people. Then I learned OGs did. Nothing beats ear-holing a DL that doesn't see you pulling his way.
Well... maybe blindsiding a QB on a blitz... or catching a WR coming across the middle... but my distinct lack of footspeed did not afford me as many opportunities for these.
I've loved the OL ever since.
Thanks... nice to be able to pay for my DB info in some fashion.
Well.... I am almost 6' tall.
Lousy 1/4" shy... at my peak.
In H.S. I did not want to play OG... cause I wanted to hit people. Then I learned OGs did. Nothing beats ear-holing a DL that doesn't see you pulling his way.
Well... maybe blindsiding a QB on a blitz... or catching a WR coming across the middle... but my distinct lack of footspeed did not afford me as many opportunities for these.
I've loved the OL ever since.
Thanks... nice to be able to pay for my DB info in some fashion.
It was much better to play centerfield as I did. The only real contact I had was when I kind of whiffed on a fly ball that tipped the end of my glove and then struck me square on the forehead.
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Who was it on here that mentioned Jaelan Phillips is a similar mold to TJ and JJ Watt?
If so, I see the "why" behind the comparison. But it mostly has to do with how Phillips is used in Miami's system. He looks, physically speaking, like Dion Jordan. But his play on tape is infinitely better than what that sure-fire bust showed. But how Miami moves him around the formation is the Watt thing - he'll play a lot of base end and then kick in to a more 3 or 4 tech when The U wants to switch up their looks on obvious passing downs.
Early thoughts - hands and feet show a nice sync in pass rush. Active hands/arms to keep himself clean of potential blockers and doesn't let IOL or OT's get into his chest. That's the most promising thing I love seeing any young lineman have.
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Hey now, you're both tall on the inside guys. It's ok.
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I don't think Jalen Mayfield will be there at the end of the 2nd round
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