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    MLD WoodyM MLD Woody wrote on last edited by
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    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
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      D BoneD D Bone wrote on last edited by
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      Always nice to receive attaboys from the all knowing peanut gallery, but grading the draft hours after it's over is like buying a brand new car and then immediately proclaiming it the most dependable car you've ever owned. 

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        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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        A bunch of Draft Grades...

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        "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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          NeroN Nero wrote on last edited by Nero
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          I am watching everything about the Draft "in hindsight". I couldn't watch any of it and I didn't follow the process, I only knew what the Browns needed, and to me every pick speaks of BPA and filling needs, so I think they did great. 

          Following what Brett Kollmann says... The Browns got a Top 6 CB, Top 1 LB and a top 6 DT in Newsome, Koramoah and Tagiai respectively. 

          I'd say that it is remarkable not having high picks, and along with Hudson and Schwartz I can see all those 5 players contributing in one way or another (say starting or being a rotational player). Plus it follows an already good FA campaign, so watching the combo of FA moves and draft picks makes all the sense in the world to me in the scope of offseason moves.

          We can't judge how "right" they have been yet, because drafts are a lottery and each player developes differently in the pros, but the Front Office has done a great job so far, in my opinion. 

          Good times!

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            McShay didn't give out grades

            SportingNews breakdown and summary

            Worst value picks

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              "Put the dog down, sir"

              The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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                Always nice to receive attaboys from the all knowing peanut gallery, but grading the draft hours after it's over is like buying a brand new car and then immediately proclaiming it the most dependable car you've ever owned. 

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                T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by
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                @d-bone said:

                Always nice to receive attaboys from the all knowing peanut gallery, but grading the draft hours after it's over is like buying a brand new car and then immediately proclaiming it the most dependable car you've ever owned. 

                And that Subaru Outback I rated as A+ when I bought it in 2018 is still an A+ after 50,000 miles just like Garrett & Ward are still an A+.??

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                  T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                  BTW here are the draft picks we have in 2022.

                  1-6 our own. Plus a #4 from the Lions and a conditional swap of our #7 for the Lions #7, which I believe is up to us and not them. I am not certain of that though. Either way we currently have 8 for 2022. It's possible we may get a comp pick and/or an addition pick depending upon our cuts/trades.

                  https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/what-picks-do-the-browns-have-in-2022

                  Either way trade up for this guy.?

                  DeMarvin Leal, DT/DE, Texas A&M 6'4" 290lbs.

                  "Over the last two seasons, he’s proven to be a productive and versatile defensive lineman. The Aggies deployed him at both defensive end and tackle. Despite fewer games in 2020, Leal set career highs for tackles for loss and sacks. With fellow defensive lineman Bobby Brown heading to the 2021 NFL Draft, Leal will have an elevated role in the 2021 season.

                  With athleticism and versatility, he should be a valuable commodity in the NFL."

                  Just remember I brought attention on this board to Garrett early on. I feel exactly the same way about this guy as a perfect fit for how the Browns play defense-versatilty and speed to burn in a big guy who can run stop or get to the QB/RB in the backfield. Just a slightly bigger version of Garrett.

                  Just so you know I'm not just homering this one either. Take a look at one of the top 5 in 2022 draft according to 247 sports. He is a perfect Browns defense fit.

                  https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/2022-NFL-Draft-mock-draft-big-board-top-prospects-Spencer-Rattler-Kayvon-Thibodeaux-Derek-Stingley-162118643/#162118643_1

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                    S SdBacker80 wrote on last edited by
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                    Zombo said:

                    Leave it to Mel to bring our grade down ...

                    Z

                    He doesn’t grade on a curve thats for sure 

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                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                      Zombo said:

                      Leave it to Mel to bring our grade down ...

                      Z

                      Because he is a Ravens Honk.

                      Everyone seemed to have  the Texans  have a bad draft.

                      So, at this point, I think it is fair to say the following:

                      The Houston Texans  are ON the Clock  for the first pick in the  2022 draft. 

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                        Zombo said:

                        Leave it to Mel to bring our grade down ...

                        Z

                        He doesn’t grade on a curve thats for sure 

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                        ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on last edited by
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                        @sdbacker80 said:

                        He doesn’t grade on a curve thats for sure 

                        Maybe not, but his grading is consistent from team to team.  He doesn't give out many A grades, then seems to even up with others on the low end of the spectrum.

                        In the end, who cares about the grades?  The only thing I care about is how I feel about things, and I feel fine....as the feedback buzzes through my amp.

                        If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
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                          nickersN nickers wrote on last edited by
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                          I give them a B-

                          I still don't like taking Mr.Glass with the 1st pick...

                          Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~
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                            BTW here are the draft picks we have in 2022.

                            1-6 our own. Plus a #4 from the Lions and a conditional swap of our #7 for the Lions #7, which I believe is up to us and not them. I am not certain of that though. Either way we currently have 8 for 2022. It's possible we may get a comp pick and/or an addition pick depending upon our cuts/trades.

                            https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/what-picks-do-the-browns-have-in-2022

                            Either way trade up for this guy.?

                            DeMarvin Leal, DT/DE, Texas A&M 6'4" 290lbs.

                            "Over the last two seasons, he’s proven to be a productive and versatile defensive lineman. The Aggies deployed him at both defensive end and tackle. Despite fewer games in 2020, Leal set career highs for tackles for loss and sacks. With fellow defensive lineman Bobby Brown heading to the 2021 NFL Draft, Leal will have an elevated role in the 2021 season.

                            With athleticism and versatility, he should be a valuable commodity in the NFL."

                            Just remember I brought attention on this board to Garrett early on. I feel exactly the same way about this guy as a perfect fit for how the Browns play defense-versatilty and speed to burn in a big guy who can run stop or get to the QB/RB in the backfield. Just a slightly bigger version of Garrett.

                            Just so you know I'm not just homering this one either. Take a look at one of the top 5 in 2022 draft according to 247 sports. He is a perfect Browns defense fit.

                            https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/2022-NFL-Draft-mock-draft-big-board-top-prospects-Spencer-Rattler-Kayvon-Thibodeaux-Derek-Stingley-162118643/#162118643_1

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                            tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                            @texasag1969 said:

                            Just remember I brought attention on this board to Garrett early on. I feel exactly the same way about this guy as a perfect fit for how the Browns play defense-versatilty and speed to burn in a big guy who can run stop or get to the QB/RB in the backfield. Just a slightly bigger version of Garrett.

                            You, bringing early attention to players from a team you watch religiously?  My GOD... I've never heard of such a concept.

                            cedric ogbuehi says "hi". 

                            edit: Actually I really can't talk shit, Ceddy isn't a bad OT for seattle.

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                              darren15D darren15 wrote on last edited by
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                              Kiper graded the Rams higher than the Browns ....who the hell is Mel Kiper anyway

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                                @texasag1969 said:

                                Just remember I brought attention on this board to Garrett early on. I feel exactly the same way about this guy as a perfect fit for how the Browns play defense-versatilty and speed to burn in a big guy who can run stop or get to the QB/RB in the backfield. Just a slightly bigger version of Garrett.

                                You, bringing early attention to players from a team you watch religiously?  My GOD... I've never heard of such a concept.

                                cedric ogbuehi says "hi". 

                                edit: Actually I really can't talk shit, Ceddy isn't a bad OT for seattle.

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                                T TexasAg1969 wrote on last edited by TexasAg1969
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                                @tiamat63 said:

                                You, bringing early attention to players from a team you watch religiously?  My GOD... I've never heard of such a concept.

                                cedric ogbuehi says "hi". 

                                edit: Actually I really can't talk shit, Ceddy isn't a bad OT for seattle.

                                He's gotten better coaching than he had with Sumlin. That was good riddance for A&M and now Arizona. Plus he is in far better condition now under Pete.

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                                Ogbuehi with the Seattle Seahawks in 2020

                                https://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/college/ua/2020/12/12/kevin-sumlin-fired-arizona-football-coach-after-loss-asu/6525145002/#:~:text=The University of Arizona has fired football coach,as Wildcats coach after arriving in January 2018.

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                                  PFF's draft grades from 2016

                                  https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2016-nfl-draft-grades-for-all-32-teams

                                  Grades after the draft rarely look good on anyone. We addressed things with logic, let's hope it plays out.

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                                  @tiamat63 said:

                                  PFF's draft grades from 2016

                                  https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2016-nfl-draft-grades-for-all-32-teams

                                  Grades after the draft rarely look good on anyone. We addressed things with logic, let's hope it plays out.

                                  Yar- 2016 Bungles A-? Are any of them still in the League?  Coleman was a bust, but at least several of the Browns picks that year are still playing, though on other teams....

                                  EDIT: Taking a longer look- it's shocking on how few of the players (any team) drafted 5 years ago are still in the NFL... Not For Long...  🙁  

                                  Zombo said:

                                  Leave it to Mel to bring our grade down ...

                                  Z

                                  Why I'd rather watch NFLN than listen to Mel blabber... Took some nerve on Berry's part to wait on Koramoah. Daniel Jeremiah had him as "best available" at the start of Day2, and many of the talking heads had a first round grade on him.  🙂  

                                  @sdbacker80 said:

                                  He doesn’t grade on a curve thats for sure 

                                  Barely concealed Ravens homer... Did give just about everyone a "B" grade.... Sort of like college today. Show up for class, get a "B".  

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                                    Vag may have gone into hiding.....

                                    https://www.brownsnation.com/espns-mel-kiper-jr-gives-steelers-lowest-nfl-draft-grade/

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                                      Vag may have gone into hiding.....

                                      https://www.brownsnation.com/espns-mel-kiper-jr-gives-steelers-lowest-nfl-draft-grade/

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                                      The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      Vag may have gone into hiding.....

                                      https://www.brownsnation.com/espns-mel-kiper-jr-gives-steelers-lowest-nfl-draft-grade/

                                      Two things there.....as noted,  Kiper does NOT believe in drafting RBs in round one.....and, just like his downgrading of the Browns,  his Ravens  honkishness means he will downgrade the Steelers as well.  

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                                         - You'll enjoy this.

                                        The more labels you have for yourself, the dumber they make you. "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
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                                          VagitronV Vagitron wrote on last edited by Vagitron
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                                          Are pointless. Classes shouldn’t be graded until those players have been in the league for two or three years and I’d lean three. Grades are just a means for clicks and a lot of the “bigger names” are really damn bad at it. 

                                          Kiper being one of the worst. Let it be known he gave Jarvis Jones an A+

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