I thought there was a chance that's what you meant... Yes... John has his moments... none of which come when he tries to change his voice or otherwise talk as the subject of his ridicule.

I don't think we can treat Beck the same as Stewart. Beck wants to be news. He wants you to get info from him Stewart wants to be comedy. He wants you to laugh and enjoy his program. His program happens to be around politics and current events, so he needs to provide some facts to set the joke. That's not to say some don't use him as a news source. Those people might better off than if they just watched Beck though...

@gftchris said:You're forgetting we get drip-fed things to be outraged by, so we move on from one thing to the next before actually doing anything about it.No doubt. I remember a while back someone saying a good way to tell how deeply serious the issues are were hyperventilate over is to get ahold of a newspaper from ten or twenty years ago. We

I already finished this argument by confirming both of the the things I said: there's no real hard data and I didn't make anything up. So if you want to dispute your boyfriend's failings it's now on you.

@clevfan4life said: downs syndrome is a continuum. In any case the events you described clearly show that this person had some idea of this world and her surroundings. So how much more Retard than a severe downs syndrome case can you get before someone is nearly comatose. In the end though this discussion between two "men" is kind of irrelevant. This is between a woman and the child. If she feels it isn't right to bring a child into the world than that's what we have to accept because the universe made them the birthers right? So until men start carrying children this just needs to stop. Women who flippantly have abortions are free to do so but the rest of society is free to disassociate itself from them. That's how I wish this shit worked. You can be way, way, more disabled than simple downs syndrome and still be a living person with feelings and emotions and likes and dislikes capable of feeling love. Most downs syndrome people can hold simple jobs. Erin was a person that easily could have been aborted. They said she'd never talk and she learned to talk, after her fashion. Certainly if you had spent enough time with her you could make out what she was saying. Her talking never was able to get very sophisticated but she was able to use a machine (like stephen hawkings) to communicate things too sophisticated for her. They said she'd never learn to walk, but she did learn to walk, with a walker. They said she'd never live to be past 7 or 8 and she lived until she was 21. The point is, there is no life without value. The odds can always be beaten. If no one had loved Erin or nurtured her and just stuck her in a group home she might not have made it as far as she did. As it was, she showed me an indomitable spirit. To make so much out of what most people would have thought was so little was inspiring.

@westside-steve said: So your main concern is just that it would be too expensive? I actually don't know, but what do people use now for identification to get food stamps or registrations or bullets or welfare or subsidized housing or bus rides or just about anything else? WSS No simply a cost benefit analysis. What do we gain for what we have to spend. With the exceptions of few programs, food stamps being one, the cost for the registration is passed to the consumer. I don't think that any party will support a "pay to play" voting system. And before we go back down the rabbit hole of "fuck it, we don't need any laws then". It is not about the theory of illegals voting being ok, just simply there are so many more serious arenas where we turn a blind eye that I don't see this as a priority at this time.