@mld-woody said: Hahaha, alright buddy. Tell yourself whatever you want, idc. You made it clear when we went over this last time you were clearly biased / had no idea what you were talking about. "Akron engineering is top notch" "Miami of Ohio is overall on par with Michigan" Both of those statements are absolutely fact. I am glad you are coming around. "Every tiny little Liberal Arts College in Ohio is apparently better than Michigan". I didn't say "every"....but yes, several small liberal arts colleges in Ohio are better....at liberal arts... than Michigan. My son attended Kenyon...and considered Oberlin and Denison. At what they do, yes, those are better. Then as that thread progressed you backed off of what you had said, tried to change the subject a few times, then it ended. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to this subject so there's no point in trying to argue. I don't see where I backed of anything. The only thing I conceded was that a big, big school like Michigan is better at being big (having more programs) than the smaller schoolsl around here. But, hell, if just being big is your thing...then Ohio St. has you beat there. I guess I am just trying to convince myself I didn't make a mistake... bummer No, I am sure you can get a fine education at Michigan. If you are happy and comfortable with your school, I guess that is all that matter. (FYI, I will take the Pharmacology Dept. at Minnesota over the one at Mich.)