The worst clock management ever!
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Actually it was the right stretegy for the situation. What if the Buff's FG was good? The Browns would have had a minute left to drive down the field. Without the timeouts Buffalo would have ran the time off and there would have been no chance to drive down the field had the FG been good.
But before that? The Browns should have tried passing over the middle for some short gains or ran Harrison. That would have picked up at least 5 yards to make the FG attempt easier.
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Actually it was the right stretegy for the situation. What if the Buff's FG was good? The Browns would have had a minute left to drive down the field. Without the timeouts Buffalo would have ran the time off and there would have been no chance to drive down the field had the FG been good.
But before that? The Browns should have tried passing over the middle for some short gains or ran Harrison. That would have picked up at least 5 yards to make the FG attempt easier.
Actually it was the right stretegy for the situation. What if the Buff's FG was good? The Browns would have had a minute left to drive down the field. Without the timeouts Buffalo would have ran the time off and there would have been no chance to drive down the field had the FG been good.
But before that? The Browns should have tried passing over the middle for some short gains or ran Harrison. That would have picked up at least 5 yards to make the FG attempt easier.
Yeah, but that's only because Buffalo coached worse than RAC.
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It was poor clock management followed by decent clock management.
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To me, this debate shows there wasn't an obvious management scheme. I agree RAC isn't in the upper echelon of coaches, but I think I've seen worse than last Monday.
If Quinn completes a pass, then we run out the clock and Phil kicks a makable FG and RAC looks good.
If we would have run out the clock then and there giving Phil the long FG, and he missed, we all would have said "we had 3 TO's and plenty of time, why didn't RAC do something more creative than 3 yards and a ball of dust leaving Phil with such a long FG?".
You can go either way.
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Funny how we all forget that Harrison was already hurt by then....and that JL hadn't gotten more than 2 yards on a run in forever...and we were sitting on a 56 yard FB (best case with JL x3 was 50) in cold weather.
The last few weeks we left points on the table only to watch teams march right down the field and put us away. This time...RAC decided to be agressive and get the TD if possible...and not 'settle' for a long FG.
I LOVED this approach. It was a departure from the conservative 'play not to lose' crap we are used to.
Plain and simple....had any one of those passes gone for a completion...this would not be a discussion...and we would all be applauding the aggressive approach. Besides...the worst case scenario came about and we still won.
Then, when the Bills had the ball...the use of the time-outs was perfect. He left us enough time on the clock to respond (over 40 seconds) if the FG had been good.
This was probably the BEST time management I have seen from RAC (by the way, the announcers were commenting how good it was as well!)
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Why can't you run a normal offense then? Even if you do throw every down, why not act like it's a normal offense and not a chinese fire drill?
We lost the Washington game under the exact same scenario, which was getting barely within range and not getting another yard in 3 downs.
I don't see how anybody can justify not getting at least 5 more yards, and I'm not talking about playing to run the ball and clock out, I'm talking about good, safe throws. I mean come on, what were the chances of completing the pass to Edwards on third down? If you're looking at a 48 yarder then you go for the jugular, but we're talking a 57 freaking yarder and they got nothing in three plays. Woulda shoulda coulda doesn't get it, you gotta get yards.
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What it showed was a lack of confidence in the kicker and defence.
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What it showed was a lack of confidence in the kicker and defence.
What it showed was a lack of confidence in the kicker and defence.
I don't get you guys. If we had run and then the 50 yarder and made it you would all be bitching that he wasn't aggressive enough and we let them have a chance to win with a FG instead of going for the jugular!!! ....but he did what he did, we HIT the FB and WON...and you still bitch.
He showed aggressive play calling. He showed a departure from the "play not to lose" mentality we all hate...and yet you keep on bitching.
Get over it.
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What we DID do was:
1st down: short swing pass to Stallworth (basically a straight OUT pattern...very safe and move the chain type play)
2nd down: short swing pass to Winslow (again, an OUT pattern...very safe and move the chain type play)
3rd down: deep to BE....figuring the D would be looking for something short after the first two plays...makes sense, kind of what you were implying we should do.
The only difference in the play calling is the SHORT plays were both wide swing passes instead of a JL run...and the order in which they were done.
This was not 3 straight long passes downfield. It was 2 short, possession plays and a deep shot...just like you wanted.
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What it showed was a lack of confidence in the kicker and defence.
I don't get you guys. If we had run and then the 50 yarder and made it you would all be bitching that he wasn't aggressive enough and we let them have a chance to win with a FG instead of going for the jugular!!! ....but he did what he did, we HIT the FB and WON...and you still bitch.
He showed aggressive play calling. He showed a departure from the "play not to lose" mentality we all hate...and yet you keep on bitching.
Get over it.
I don't get you guys. If we had run and then the 50 yarder and made it you would all be bitching that he wasn't aggressive enough and we let them have a chance to win with a FG instead of going for the jugular!!! ....but he did what he did, we HIT the FB and WON...and you still bitch.
He showed aggressive play calling. He showed a departure from the "play not to lose" mentality we all hate...and yet you keep on bitching.
Get over it.
Settle down dude, I don't appreciate your tone. I don't need to be told to get over shit because I disagree how the offense was ran. You act like we're talking about running the clock out and we're not. You're also acting like Lewis was guaranteed to only get two yards if they ran one running play.
Do not get you being all worked up on this and you happen to be the one who needs to get over it. It's a difference of opinion, and that doesn't make you right.
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What it showed was a lack of confidence in the kicker and defence.
What it showed was a lack of confidence in the kicker and defence.
Lack of confidence in kicker at that distance and by the use of time outs at the end a complete lack of confidence that the defence could stop anything,
clock management was dictated by that- no opinion on whether it was good or bad. We did win and thats what counts.
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I have to agree with WPB here, it was great to see the aggresive play calling. It also shows the confidence he has in BQ. You dont win in this league if your passive and I hope that RAC has finally learned that lesson. But all this talk about him not losing his job at seasons end is crazy. This guy has been a horrible coach that with the exception of last game has shown horrible game managment skills and in my opionion has cost us games this season. A coach should never cost a team a win, RAC has done it more then once. Our players not giving it there all on every down reflects on the coach. Our defense not knowing how to tackle reflects on the coach. This guy has got to go and if he doesnt it will be complete BS.
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Rif....we were on the 39...the first pass was to the 32...the second was to the 33...both BALL CONTROL passes just like you said we should have run. So what is the beef. Because they didn't run the EXACT play you wanted? They were safe, quick passes that didn't allow for a sack...and had a lower probability of a turnover than going over the middle.
The last pass...that looked like a check-down at the LOS...BQ saw a mismatch and tried to go long. If it had worked we would all be singing the praises.
I realize you think I am being bullheaded and that I am just being a dick because I don't agree...but the fact is we ran very logical plays for the situation. BQ had been under a TON of pressure...and our running game was doing nothing (we hadn't had a play for over 3 yards by JL since mid 3rd Q). So it dictates that you do quick passes...and we did...and they just didn't connect. After all, we got down there with a short right pass to BE and a short right pass to K2...so why not keep doing what got you there?
Just saying...if you don't agree with the calls...fine....but saying it was TERRIBLE CLOCK MANAGEMENT...that is kinda silly.
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When you go three and out there it's terrible clock management period. Those out routes were not high percentage and the throw to Edwards he wasn't even close to being open and hadn't made a challenged catch all day.
It was bad clock management period.
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What it showed was a lack of confidence in the kicker and defence.
I don't get you guys. If we had run and then the 50 yarder and made it you would all be bitching that he wasn't aggressive enough and we let them have a chance to win with a FG instead of going for the jugular!!! ....but he did what he did, we HIT the FB and WON...and you still bitch.
He showed aggressive play calling. He showed a departure from the "play not to lose" mentality we all hate...and yet you keep on bitching.
Get over it.
I don't get you guys. If we had run and then the 50 yarder and made it you would all be bitching that he wasn't aggressive enough and we let them have a chance to win with a FG instead of going for the jugular!!! ....but he did what he did, we HIT the FB and WON...and you still bitch.
He showed aggressive play calling. He showed a departure from the "play not to lose" mentality we all hate...and yet you keep on bitching.
Get over it.
Everyone is forgetting how close we came to throwing a pick. EVEN IF passing were part of the strategy, then don't put the QB in a shotgun. Sure, the Bills had to watch out for a draw or possible reverse, but the Bills read it right and played it right. I would have preferred a play-action over shotgun. At least the Bills would have probably loaded up the line a little more and given us something short up the middle. We were playing like we had no time. HEY... when we got the ball we had FIVE TIME OUTS! Our 3, the Bills one, and the two minute warning. Except for the 2 minute warning, we gave the ball back to the Bills with FOUR time outs. Dumb dumb dumb. Sure I'll take the win but we were lucky and need to thank the defense for coming through in stopping the run when all night it seemed they were tackling with axle grease on their hands.
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I don't get you guys. If we had run and then the 50 yarder and made it you would all be bitching that he wasn't aggressive enough and we let them have a chance to win with a FG instead of going for the jugular!!! ....but he did what he did, we HIT the FB and WON...and you still bitch.
He showed aggressive play calling. He showed a departure from the "play not to lose" mentality we all hate...and yet you keep on bitching.
Get over it.
Everyone is forgetting how close we came to throwing a pick. EVEN IF passing were part of the strategy, then don't put the QB in a shotgun. Sure, the Bills had to watch out for a draw or possible reverse, but the Bills read it right and played it right. I would have preferred a play-action over shotgun. At least the Bills would have probably loaded up the line a little more and given us something short up the middle. We were playing like we had no time. HEY... when we got the ball we had FIVE TIME OUTS! Our 3, the Bills one, and the two minute warning. Except for the 2 minute warning, we gave the ball back to the Bills with FOUR time outs. Dumb dumb dumb. Sure I'll take the win but we were lucky and need to thank the defense for coming through in stopping the run when all night it seemed they were tackling with axle grease on their hands.
Everyone is forgetting how close we came to throwing a pick. EVEN IF passing were part of the strategy, then don't put the QB in a shotgun. Sure, the Bills had to watch out for a draw or possible reverse, but the Bills read it right and played it right. I would have preferred a play-action over shotgun. At least the Bills would have probably loaded up the line a little more and given us something short up the middle. We were playing like we had no time. HEY... when we got the ball we had FIVE TIME OUTS! Our 3, the Bills one, and the two minute warning. Except for the 2 minute warning, we gave the ball back to the Bills with FOUR time outs. Dumb dumb dumb. Sure I'll take the win but we were lucky and need to thank the defense for coming through in stopping the run when all night it seemed they were tackling with axle grease on their hands.
Exactly, that's a great summation. They had all day and went Katie Bar the Door on the two minute drill when they were already at the 40 yard line.
But.......here's what really gets me and lets me know they didn't have any great strategy all along: They celebrated like they just won the Super Bowl after the kick went through. Everybody and they momma knew the Bills had forever to get into range to make the kick and were most likely going to start at no worse than their own 40 yard line.
The Bills gave us that game and we got fortunate. However, I did mention before that RAC otherwise coached very well. He wasn't the one who couldn't tackle. His other clock management was exceptional, just not at the most important juncture of the game.
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Everyone is forgetting how close we came to throwing a pick. EVEN IF passing were part of the strategy, then don't put the QB in a shotgun. Sure, the Bills had to watch out for a draw or possible reverse, but the Bills read it right and played it right. I would have preferred a play-action over shotgun. At least the Bills would have probably loaded up the line a little more and given us something short up the middle. We were playing like we had no time. HEY... when we got the ball we had FIVE TIME OUTS! Our 3, the Bills one, and the two minute warning. Except for the 2 minute warning, we gave the ball back to the Bills with FOUR time outs. Dumb dumb dumb. Sure I'll take the win but we were lucky and need to thank the defense for coming through in stopping the run when all night it seemed they were tackling with axle grease on their hands.
Exactly, that's a great summation. They had all day and went Katie Bar the Door on the two minute drill when they were already at the 40 yard line.
But.......here's what really gets me and lets me know they didn't have any great strategy all along: They celebrated like they just won the Super Bowl after the kick went through. Everybody and they momma knew the Bills had forever to get into range to make the kick and were most likely going to start at no worse than their own 40 yard line.
The Bills gave us that game and we got fortunate. However, I did mention before that RAC otherwise coached very well. He wasn't the one who couldn't tackle. His other clock management was exceptional, just not at the most important juncture of the game.
Exactly, that's a great summation. They had all day and went Katie Bar the Door on the two minute drill when they were already at the 40 yard line.
But.......here's what really gets me and lets me know they didn't have any great strategy all along: They celebrated like they just won the Super Bowl after the kick went through. Everybody and they momma knew the Bills had forever to get into range to make the kick and were most likely going to start at no worse than their own 40 yard line.
The Bills gave us that game and we got fortunate. However, I did mention before that RAC otherwise coached very well. He wasn't the one who couldn't tackle. His other clock management was exceptional, just not at the most important juncture of the game.
After Trent Edwards threw that strike up the middle to get them somewhere close to the Browns 30 yard line, how many of us felt like we were about to experience one of them good 'ole fashioned Brown's heartbreak losses we've grown so accustomed to? Hey... who knows? Maybe the worm has turned for the Browns with this one. I'm still pinching myself wondering if I was watching the right team.
I understand that we had to keep stopping the clock for the other team since IF they would have made the field goal we would need to get the ball back. But it was painful watching this happen! If the Bills had made the field goal, we would have had less than 40 seconds left and ZERO time outs. Maybe Brady could have pulled that off but I don't mean the one that has it as a first name... at least not yet.
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