K2 wants to stay

chubb

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20081211/ca...rowns_winslow_2

Not the most lengthy, descriptive article. Good news however. I think he fits really well with BQ's style of play.

BrownIndian

@chubb said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20081211/ca...rowns_winslow_2
Not the most lengthy, descriptive article. Good news however. I think he fits really well with BQ's style of play.

So does Crennel ... but who is gonna let him ?

Kosarfan

He'll be labeled, like TO is / was. Between injuries and attitude, trade value is better bet for the Browns with Winslow.

Get a good solid no trouble receiver to compliment the guy that takes Braylon's spot. Jurevicious will be back too.

BrownIndian

I dont think Braylon is going anywhere dude ...

OconRecon

From purely a football and TE production standpoint, he should stay. BQ loves hitting the TE. They'll tear it up together.

JewDago

dammit, rac is killing me. not letting rucker play really hamstrings us in this situation. K2 is doing his part to help us get him out of town if we want to/can, but rac's stubborn refusal to play rookies is killing our chances to evaluate their talent.

however, this is a good move for K2. like JADBF said, it's an attempt to make himself look like less of a malcontent, a rep he's unfairly been labeled with. while he was immature when he came out of college, he's grown a lot since then. the staph incident was all the front office's fault, and if we as fans can see that, so can people around the league.

I thought this part of Steve Doerschuk's article was interesting:

Winslow and General Manager Phil Savage were at odds midway through the season. Is there anything still to that?
“No, Mr. Lerner and I have a very good relationship, so I’m very happy with him,” Winslow said.

Lumbergh

@chubb said:
I think he fits really well with BQ's style of play.

what's that style of play? slow and in front of the linebackers?

MrFreeze

In my opinion he's worn out his welcome. In a few months he'll be making noise about wanting a new contract. Browns fans still think of him as the same stud he was out of college. In reality he's nothing like that anymore. He can be someone else's problem in 2009.

plumcrazy73

@mrfreeze said:
In my opinion he's worn out his welcome. In a few months he'll be making noise about wanting a new contract. Browns fans still think of him as the same stud he was out of college. In reality he's nothing like that anymore. He can be someone else's problem in 2009.

Depends on the money he wants as to weather or not I still want him, had he not got hurt then hell yes I still want him here.

Sturim

I agree, I think we've seen the best of him already. It's time to move him if we can. I feel he will never be a healthy player for this team.

chubb

@chubb said:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20081211/ca...rowns_winslow_2
Not the most lengthy, descriptive article. Good news however. I think he fits really well with BQ's style of play.

K2 Blows. He should go as K 1/2 He has no moves, no speed, no open field ability. He doens' make touchdowns and because his crippled legs don't allow him to block, wen he is in the game, opposing defenses can guess that we are passing.

The ONLY this big turd offers is that kids think he is a hero. We already have more capable TEs on the team.

He has very little, if any trade value. I would just cut him and stop the bleeding. We have better TEs on the team right now. KW 1/2 is no better than 3 on the depth chart.

Drop him off at the pool, he's crap/.

hoorta

@ghoolie said:
K2 Blows. He should go as K 1/2 He has no moves, no speed, no open field ability. He doens' make touchdowns and because his crippled legs don't allow him to block, wen he is in the game, opposing defenses can guess that we are passing.
The ONLY this big turd offers is that kids think he is a hero. We already have more capable TEs on the team.

He has very little, if any trade value. I would just cut him and stop the bleeding. We have better TEs on the team right now. KW 1/2 is no better than 3 on the depth chart.

Drop him off at the pool, he's crap/.

Why don't we just drop the whole team, coaching staff, and front office off, right now? They all blow.

Yeah, you cut a tight end that's above 50th percentile in virtually every category. Yes, we have a better blocking tight end in Heiden- but IIRC, Ozzie Newsome wasn't noted for his blocking ability- neither was Jim Brown. Darnell Dinkins positively wows me- NOT.

Moves, speed? That's the category of wrs my friend. Ya think Jason Whitten or Todd Heap score any higher in those categories?

sisky fringo

still Hoort, you gotta give him some cred for K 1/2. that was fugging classic!!

props Ghool.

1/4 Winslow apparently took a page out of OCHO's book and became humble, showed he wants to stay.

my wish would be to trade K 1/4 for Ocho. we'd alleviate a touchy situation and fix Braylon all in one swoop. the competition and veteran leadership would hopefully spark Braylon back into olympic form more than Joe ever could, and if Joe doesn't make it back you're covered there too.

but would the city embrace him? that's the multi-million dollar question.

Phil if you're listening, you should be calling Marvin--like yesterday!

chubb

@ghoolie said:
He has no moves, no speed, no open field ability

These may be true, but what he does have is GOOD HANDS. Something this team desperately needs in those 3rd and 5ish type situations. Hell, we need someone with good hands in every situation. He also attracts a lot of attention which obviously helps a lot.

hammertime

Winslow should be looked at like a used car. Trade him in while he has some value.

He wants to stay cause he knows Lerners got mad cash and he can get away with being an idiot under RAC.

Please get rid of Losers and quitters.

hammertime

@jadbf said:
Once again, this has ZERO to do with whether or not Winslow wants to stay.
This is Winslow saying to any team that MIGHT want to sign him..."REALLY! I am not a bad guy. I am not a distraction to the team. I am not a guy like TO. I'm a team guy."

He knows his NUMBERS for the year are not going to be spectacular, and that will reduce his options of teams that would take him. He doesn't want anything else affecting it.

Look, who fricken cares what the thug has to say. Either trade him or cut him, his locker room presence is a me,me,meme,me, deal. K2 and his 'so called staff infection' are what has dragged this team down. We don't need warriors, we need football players who prefer to win as a team. Its amazing how everyone forgets the money issues revolving around this guy and his off feild antics. I don't want a Mark Price at tight end just solid tight end who knows how to play and be a reliable teammate.

hammertime

@jadbf said:
I'm more lukewarm on this arguement. I like his fire, and I really don't think at this point you will get anything much of value for him. So I'd keep him. BUt I also would not be worried if he was traded. The other TEs on this team are good enough that you wouldn't notice a huge drop off in production. I am with you though on getting a guy like Boldin

Name a few guys like Boldin and look at them cause Boldin isn't coming to Cleveland. JJ looks like he gone too. Is it a forgone conclusion that cribbs can't be a starting WR?

hammertime

If Braylon's going to be given a second chance next year than why not Stallworth?

calfoxwc

I think Winslow AND Edwards could both be gone. If he could just catch the stupid football, Edwards would be a big loss, without a signing of a FA or draft pick to replace him.

but Winslow is really expendable. And he wants his contract renegotiated after the Browns stayed with him through off the field injuries and him

flapping his jaws publicly...

Keeping Edwards -would- be a big plus, if they could get him to a sports psychologist or something to get his focus back on catching the ball.

But Winslow is a prima donna, and an injured one at that, not physically what he once was because of the moto fiasco - I'd trade him for a second pick in this draft and be real happy.