Depth Chart Comparison

[The Gipper]

@slowburn said:

what a waste of time.......get some fun games goin!!!

No one wanted to do my trivia. I figured they wanted to talk about the game Sunday, so I came up with this.

[jonnychan]

@the-gipper said:

OK, I asked the bucnut to do this, but apparently he couldn't "get it up" to do it, so I will.

Here are the starters of the Browns and Bucs per their respective website depth charts. Give who you think has the edge in each of these matchups:

OFFENSE:

QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman

RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams

FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams

WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter

TE Ben Watson vs. K2

C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine

LT Joe Thomas vs. Danad? Penn

LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent

RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph

RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!)

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore

NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy #

RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White

OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black

OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes

MLB Eric Barton vs. DT Ray Miller#

MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud

LCB Eric Wright vs. Aqib Talib *

RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber

SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones

FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth

P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economus

PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter

KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins

* Aqib Talib is suspended for this game, but is the starter on their depth chart

# Browns play the 3-4, Bucs play the 4-3 so I had to put a MLB against a DT here.

Give your thoughts on the comparative talents. I honestly except for a few positions am not really able to give a full comparison.

Bolded names are better talents than their non bolded counterparts.

Positions with no names bolded indicate a push.

[The Gipper]

@jonnychan said:

Bolded names are better talents than their non bolded counterparts.

Positions with no names bolded indicate a push.

The one I am certain you got wrong was at Fullback. Vickers frankly may be the best in the business.

I doubt you are right about several other of your selections, but I don't have enough knowledge sufficient to tell who may or may not be better.

I left many/most of mine blank because I just didn't know.

[Vagitron]

The Bucs may be the worst team in the NFL. I don't know why you guys are still playing the game with the Bucs trolls. They have some nice pieces but were pretty damn bad last year just like the Browns. Should be a good game.

[Bucky Biceps]

OFFENSE:

QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman

RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams

FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams

WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter

TE Ben Watson vs. K2

C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine

LT Joe Thomas vs. DONALD Penn

LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent

RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph

RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!)

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore

NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy #

RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White

OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black

OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes

MLB Eric Barton vs. DT ROY Miller

MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud

LCB Eric Wright vs. EJ Biggers

RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber

SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones

FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth

P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economos

PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter

KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins

Serious

[PackFanPerson]

BucsNBiceps said:

OFFENSE:

QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman

RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams

FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams

WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter

TE Ben Watson vs. K2

C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine

LT Joe Thomas vs. DONALD Penn

LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent

RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph

RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!)

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore

NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy #

RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White

OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black

OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes

MLB Eric Barton vs. DT ROY Miller

MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud

LCB Eric Wright vs. EJ Biggers

RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber

SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones

FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth

P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economos

PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter

KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins

Serious

I believe you will be embarrassed by this little tantrum when the Browns kick your silly butts all the way to Alabama.

That is all.

Serious.

[The Gipper]

I told you all that Buckybiceps was a three way bulb with 2 ways burned out.

[Bucky Biceps]

@the-gipper said:

I told you all that Buckybiceps was a three way bulb with 2 ways burned out.

[pizzadeliveryguy]

BucsNBiceps said:

[Bucky Biceps]

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

[The Gipper]

Homotron said:

The Bucs may be the worst team in the NFL. I don't know why you guys are still playing the game with the Bucs trolls. They have some nice pieces but were pretty damn bad last year just like the Browns. Should be a good game.

Why are you complaining? Usually it is you that we are doing the snap and jerk with.

Take the rest if the week off. You still need some additional recovery time.

[TheClevelandSound]

OFFENSE:

QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman BROWNS

RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams BROWNS

FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham BROWNS

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams BUCCANEERS

WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter BROWNS

TE Ben Watson vs. K2 BROWNS

C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine BROWNS

LT Joe Thomas vs. Danad? Penn BROWNS

LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent BROWNS

RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph BROWNS

RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!) BUCCANEERS

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore BROWNS

NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy # BUCCANEERS

RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White BROWNS

OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black BROWNS

OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes BROWNS

MLB Eric Barton vs. DT Ray Miller# BROWNS

MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud BUCCANEERS

LCB Eric Wright vs. Aqib Talib * BROWNS

RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber BROWNS

SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones BUCANEERS

FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson BROWNS

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth BROWNS

P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan BROWNS

H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan BROWNS

LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economus BROWNS

PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter

KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins

[Bucky Biceps]

Wait... you guys were serious?

You actually think TJ Ward and Eric Wright are better than Tanard Jackson and Aqib Talib?

Oh god.

[jonnychan]

@the-gipper said:

The one I am certain you got wrong was at Fullback. Vickers frankly may be the best in the business.

I doubt you are right about several other of your selections, but I don't have enough knowledge sufficient to tell who may or may not be better.

I left many/most of mine blank because I just didn't know

.

I am currently looking at the stats of Lawrence Vickers, your FB. He has never had a 100 yd season, let alone game. Look at Earnest Graham's stats now. 900 yds in 07, 560 yds in 08 and a good amount of receiving yards as well.

[jonnychan]

@theclevelandsound said:

OFFENSE:

QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman BROWNS

RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams BROWNS

FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham BROWNS

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams BUCCANEERS

WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter BROWNS

TE Ben Watson vs. K2 BROWNS

C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine BROWNS

LT Joe Thomas vs. Danad? Penn BROWNS

LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent BROWNS

RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph BROWNS

RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!) BUCCANEERS

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore BROWNS

NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy # BUCCANEERS

RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White BROWNS

OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black BROWNS

OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes BROWNS

MLB Eric Barton vs. DT Ray Miller# BROWNS

MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud BUCCANEERS

LCB Eric Wright vs. Aqib Talib * BROWNS

RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber BROWNS

SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones BUCANEERS

FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson BROWNS

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth BROWNS

P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan BROWNS

H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan BROWNS

LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economus BROWNS

PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter

KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins

Now this is borderline moronic. Tanard Jackson is the best safety in the whole division, period. T.J. Ward? Who the xxxx is he? And are you serious with Sheldon Brown > Ronde, a CB with HOF credentials?

Alex Mack just happens to be a 1st round pick, but did you know Jeff Faine was the most sought after FA O-linemen in NFL in 08? He was the highest paid Center in the league for an year, for a good reason. Pork Chop Womack > Davin Joseph? Are you out of your friggin mind? Pork Chop if I am not mistaken is that castoff from Seahawks, Davin Joseph was a pro-bowler a season back.

Scott Fujita, lol, that scrub. Always enjoyed facing Saints defense until Vilma came. Fujita was one of the more famous scrubs on their defensive side. Because he has come from a SB winning team, you guys seem high on him. Saints defense was putrid not too long ago and this guy was a major part of the problem. Geno Hayes on the other hand, has only 1 season under his belt as a starter, look at his stats, he had a better season than any of Fujita's.

Kenyon Coleman, now who the hell is this guy. I know you will say the same about Stylez White, but compare the stats and you will know who is better.

Wait a minute, now Eric Wright is better than Talib? LOL, Talib and Dominique Rodgers Cromartie are considered to be in tier next to Revis, Bailey and Asomugha.

Benjamin Watson is better than K-II? I wonder what you would have said if K-II still was a Brown. Anyone in the league knows K-II is an All-Pro talent when healthy. Benjamin Watson is a castoff, enough said.

One thing that makes you look like a bigger moron than you already are, Gerald McCoy is better than Shaun Rogers? LOL. McCoy has not done squat in the NFL, Rogers when plays all out is a monster.

[CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS]

OFFENSE:

(done this with least bias possible)

QB Jake Delhomme > Josh Freeman

RB Jerome Harrison = Cadillac Williams

FB Lawrence Vickers > Earnest Graham

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi < Mike Williams

WR2 Brian Robiskie = Sammie Stroughter (browns stronger combo)

TE Ben Watson < K2

C Alex Mack < Jeff Faine (both very good)

LT Joe Thomas > Danad? Penn

LG Eric Steinbach > Keydrick Vincent

RG Pork Chop Womack < Davin Joseph

RT John St. Clair < Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!)

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith > Kyle Moore

NT Shaun Rogers > Gerald McCoy #

RDE Kenyon Coleman ? Stylez White

OLB Matt Roth > Quincy Black (a sack this game)

OLB Scott Fujita ? Geno Hayes

MLB Eric Barton ? DT Ray Miller#

MLB Chris Gocung < Barret Ruud (Gocong is underrated)

LCB Eric Wright = Aqib Talib *

RCB Sheldon Brown = Ronde Barber (barber is old)

SS Abram Elam < Sean Jones

FS TJ Ward < Tanard Jackson (TJ Isnt proven comsistent yet)

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson > Connor Barth

P Reggie Hodges ? Chris Bryan

H Reggie Hodges ? Chris Bryan

LS Ryan Pontbriand > Andrew Economus

PR Josh Cribbs > Sammie Stroughter

KR Josh Cribbs > Kareem Huggins

[pizzadeliveryguy]

@jonnychan said:

I am currently looking at the stats of Lawrence Vickers, your FB. He has never had a 100 yd season, let alone game. Look at Earnest Graham's stats now. 900 yds in 07, 560 yds in 08 and a good amount of receiving yards as well.

If both of them switch to RB then you may have a point. As far as the FB position goes it isn't close. Good job of showing off your general football knowledge.

[jonnychan]

@pizzadeliveryguy said:

If both of them switch to RB then you may have a point. As far as the FB position goes it isn't close. Good job of showing off your general football knowledge.

mikeyP72 said:

LOL comparing FB rushing yards in a season? Graham was a RB that's why his stats are that high moron.

Sorry to disappoint you, but he was a FB from 08 onwards. And yes, he was a RB before then, but he has the stats which matters. So all your FB does is block? The best FB of the league indeed, lol.

[jjbjeff]

@the-gipper said:

OK, I asked the bucnut to do this, but apparently he couldn't "get it up" to do it, so I will.

Here are the starters of the Browns and Bucs per their respective website depth charts. Give who you think has the edge in each of these matchups:

OFFENSE:

QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman

RB Jerome Harrison vs.Cadillac Williams

FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams

WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter

TE Ben Watson vs. K2

C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine

LT Joe Thomas vs. Danad? Penn

LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent

RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph

RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!)

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore

NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy/Brian Price

RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White

OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black

OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes

MLB Eric Barton vs. DT Ray Miller#

MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud

LCB Eric Wright vs. EJ Biggers

RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber

SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones

FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth

P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economus

PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter

KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins

* Aqib Talib is suspended for this game, but is the starter on their depth chart

# Browns play the 3-4, Bucs play the 4-3 so I had to put a MLB against a DT here.

Give your thoughts on the comparative talents. I honestly except for a few positions am not really able to give a full comparison.

Okay. I gave it my best shot here. On offense I was able to actually pick who I thought the better players are(in red). I really don't know your defense well enough to say who is better, so I simply highlighted in bold our best players on defense at each position IMO. I replaced Talib with EJ Biggers, who will start.

I didn't touch the QB position, because Delhomme has been crap for two years, and Freeman is a big ?

Harrison gets the nod over Caddy. They may be equal in talent, but CLE Oline will make Harrison more productive, and that's all that matters.

I'm sure you will all disagree, but other than Harrison, I have every one of our skill position players on offense with a higher grade than your players. I know I'm here to talk smack, but I honestly believe your offense is going nowhere with those WR's. Hopefully for you, Cribbs will be involved in generating some offense.

Other than our pro-bowl RG, your Oline is better.

[usuck]

@the-gipper said:

OK, I asked the bucnut to do this, but apparently he couldn't "get it up" to do it, so I will.

Here are the starters of the Browns and Bucs per their respective website depth charts. Give who you think has the edge in each of these matchups:

OFFENSE:

QB Jake Delhomme vs. Josh Freeman browns

RB Jerome Harrison vs. Cadillac Williams browns

FB Lawrence Vickers vs. Earnest Graham browns

WR1 Moe. Massaquoi vs. Mike Williams browns

WR2 Brian Robiskie vs. Sammie Stroughter bucs

TE Ben Watson vs. K2 bucs

C Alex Mack vs. Jeff Faine browns

LT Joe Thomas vs. Danad? Penn browns

LG Eric Steinbach vs. Keydrick Vincent browns

RG Pork Chop Womack vs. Davin Joseph bucs

RT John St. Clair vs. Jeremy Trueblood (good HBO show!) bucs

DEFENSE:

LDE Robaire Smith vs. Kyle Moore browns

NT Shaun Rogers vs. Gerald McCoy # browns

RDE Kenyon Coleman vs. Stylez White bucs

OLB Matt Roth vs. Quincy Black

OLB Scott Fujita vs. Geno Hayes browns

MLB Eric Barton vs. DT Ray Miller# bucs

MLB Chris Gocung vs. Barret Ruud

LCB Eric Wright vs. Aqib Talib * bucs

RCB Sheldon Brown vs. Ronde Barber

SS Abram Elam vs. Sean Jones browns

FS TJ Ward vs. Tanard Jackson bucs

SPECIAL TEAMS:

K Phil Dawson vs. Connor Barth browns

P Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

H Reggie Hodges vs. Chris Bryan

LS Ryan Pontbriand vs. Andrew Economus

PR Josh Cribbs vs. Sammie Stroughter browns

KR Josh Cribbs vs. Kareem Huggins browns

* Aqib Talib is suspended for this game, but is the starter on their depth chart

# Browns play the 3-4, Bucs play the 4-3 so I had to put a MLB against a DT here.

Give your thoughts on the comparative talents. I honestly except for a few positions am not really able to give a full comparison.