Maualuga Vs. Curry the battle begins!
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We need a fearsome middle linebacker. That's Rey.
Explosion, and speed and instincts...
Curry is good, but more an outside linebacker.
Need Rey.
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Rey also has a great on the field, sideline, and locker room presence, he really amps the team up and gets riled up himself. Thats what our D needs, B-mac Rogers and Maualuga to rile this team up
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We need a fearsome middle linebacker. That's Rey.
Explosion, and speed and instincts...
Curry is good, but more an outside linebacker.
Need Rey.
Curry is good, but more an outside linebacker.
Not to pick on you specifically, Cal, but I'm assuming that you haven't actually watched a Wake Forest game this season. If that's the case, how can you come to the conclusion that Curry's "more an outside linebacker"?
I could understand it if one of the draft gurus on TV or online was saying that, but I haven't seen it. Maybe you could find a link for us.
Anyways, I'd recommend that everyone reserve judgment on Curry until you've watched the bowl game on Saturday. Though one game won't give you a great sense of what kind of player Curry is, it'll give you something to base your opinions on.
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Everyone can also watch Rey on new years in the rose bowl
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The more I think about Rey, the more I hope we get a new D-cordinator. He can be such a beast on this team if we can bring in a D-cordinator who adopt the one gap 3-4 and come aggressively.
Wimbley Jackson Maualuga Hall
That LB corps says destruction, the blitz/coverage combinations are endless, opposing teams offenses wouldnt have a clue whats going on, couple these guys with Rogers, B-mac, Wright, and Jones, our D looks top 10
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The more I think about Rey, the more I hope we get a new D-cordinator. He can be such a beast on this team if we can bring in a D-cordinator who adopt the one gap 3-4 and come aggressively.
Wimbley Jackson Maualuga Hall
That LB corps says destruction, the blitz/coverage combinations are endless, opposing teams offenses wouldnt have a clue whats going on, couple these guys with Rogers, B-mac, Wright, and Jones, our D looks top 10
The more I think about Rey, the more I hope we get a new D-cordinator. He can be such a beast on this team if we can bring in a D-cordinator who adopt the one gap 3-4 and come aggressively.
Wimbley Jackson Maualuga Hall
That LB corps says destruction, the blitz/coverage combinations are endless, opposing teams offenses wouldnt have a clue whats going on, couple these guys with Rogers, B-mac, Wright, and Jones, our D looks top 10
Not to too heavily pimp the USC D, but give me Cushing or Clay Jr in the second round and our D would be a BEAST.
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We already have our one-dimensional charging bull in the middle. We just need to get Bell out on the field. If these two are my options, I go with Curry.
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@shepwrite said:
Toop, when Beau Bell takes just the right drugs, passes out, and dreams... he's Rey Maualuga. That's why one was a fourth round pick and the other will go Top 10. They are NOT apples and apples.I'd love to get Rey... but it would mean I don't get Beanie Wells. So I'm torn.
One of those two or Curry. Depends on free agency.
My point isnt that Rey = Bell, but that Curry upgrades our personnel more than Rey does. That's especially true to scouts that think Rey will be a 2 down LB (much like Bell).
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If these two, I take Rey Rey. But I would also really like Beanie in the first, then one of Cushing/Matthews/Sintim/Freeman in the second. Rey/Orakpo in the first is also an option, with Ringer/Greene in the second.
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Glad to see some others come around to my man Beans.
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Glad to see some others come around to my man Beans.
I was a bit skeptical, but seeing as the injury thing is what they said about AD, I'm coming around to him. I think he and Jenkins are the only two players on tOSU team that show up and play at a high level and dominate every team, including the LSU and USCs. That is why I see them as the only two legit top prospects on the team.
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Like Ive said before if we we're to play a 4-3 defense it would be Curry hands down. Im fairly positive we'll be playing a 3-4 though and we've already got an inside backer that fits Curry's mold Jackson. Curry could play OLB in the 3-4 but isn't your prototypical type there, plus we have two good OLBs in Wimbley and Hall. We need a thumper in the middle, a mean, nasty, hard hitting, take no prisoners, son of a gun, we play in the AFC North! We need Rey!
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Like Ive said before if we we're to play a 4-3 defense it would be Curry hands down. Im fairly positive we'll be playing a 3-4 though and we've already got an inside backer that fits Curry's mold Jackson. Curry could play OLB in the 3-4 but isn't your prototypical type there, plus we have two good OLBs in Wimbley and Hall. We need a thumper in the middle, a mean, nasty, hard hitting, take no prisoners, son of a gun, we play in the AFC North! We need Rey!
Like Ive said before if we we're to play a 4-3 defense it would be Curry hands down. Im fairly positive we'll be playing a 3-4 though and we've already got an inside backer that fits Curry's mold Jackson. Curry could play OLB in the 3-4 but isn't your prototypical type there, plus we have two good OLBs in Wimbley and Hall. We need a thumper in the middle, a mean, nasty, hard hitting, take no prisoners, son of a gun, we play in the AFC North! We need Rey!
Well, I guess you won't be participating in Flugel's "Why Curry Needs to Wear a Browns' Uniform in 2009!" essay contest
But I just want to say that this argument seems a bit silly to me:
- The TED linebacker is usually less athletic than the MIKE linebacker
- Maualuga is less athletic than Curry
- Maualuga will be a better TED linebacker than Curry
Obviously, there are other factors that affect whether a guy's a good 3-4 LILB: instincts, ability to stack & shed, etc. An argument would have to be made that Maualuga's so much better in those aspects of his game that he's a better option than Curry.
And in your case, Ithika, you're arguing that Curry doesn't even fit the position. If so, I'd love to hear about what in his play indicates that he can't play TED. I'm especially curious about how his play from the 9 tech spot indicates he won't be able to take on NFL lineman.
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Because Al, (and I probably -deserve- to be picked on)
I see Curry's profiles, and they say he is a OLB. and he IS an outside linebacker.
Al, Curry is RATED the #1 outside linebacker:
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2009%20Rankings...linebackers.htm
Outside linebackers for the 2009 NFL Draft
QB | RB | FB | WR | TE | OT | OG | C | DE | DT | OLB | MLB | CB | Safety
Rank | Name| Height | Weight | School | *Junior
1. Aaron Curry, 6' 3" 236, Wake Forest
2. Marcus Freeman, 6' 2" 240, Ohio State
3. Brian Cushing, 6' 4" 242, USC
4. Sean Weatherspoon, 6' 1" 230, Missouri*
5. Rico McCoy, 6' 1" 218, Tennessee*
6. Clayton Mullins, 6' 2" 241, Miami (Oh)
7. Clint Sintim, 6' 3" 254, Virginia
8. Anthony Heygood, 6' 2" 230, Purdue
9. Zach Follett, 6' 2" 238, California
10. Ian Campbell, 6' 4" 233, Kansas State
11. Colin McCarthy, 6' 3" 230, Miami (Fl)
10. Brian Toal, 6' 0" 233, Boston College
11. Antonio Appleby, 6' 3" 246, Virginia
12. Maurice Crum, 6' 1" 227, Notre Dame
13. Jonathan Casillas, 6' 2" 220, Wisconsin
14. Dayral Briggs, 6' 4" 230, Bowling Green
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Al,
here is what Clayton, on ESPN says about the importance of why teams value speed etc, (Curry) as WOLB's...
Speedy WLBs coveted during draft, free agency
By John Clayton
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Updated: May 10, 2006
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An interesting evolution is happening at the outside linebacker position.
Thirteen of the 25 teams playing 4-3 defenses made moves to acquire weakside linebackers this offseason. Much of the change relates to the popularity of Tony Dungy's Cover 2 defense, which asks for more speed and playmaking ability from defenders. The entire NFC North, which features three new head coaches, is going to the Cover 2 to keep up with Bears coach Lovie Smith, a Dungy disciple while an assistant at Tampa Bay.
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The Lions took Ernie Sims with the No. 9 overall pick in the draft.
With what was considered the best draft class of linebackers in years, the Packers selected A.J. Hawk, the Lions took Ernie Sims and the Vikings drafted Chad Greenway. All three are natural weakside linebackers because of their speed. In today's game, the prototype outside linebacker destined for the weakside is about 235 pounds and runs a 4.6 in the 40-yard dash. In the case of Sims, the Lions didn't care that he was only 5-foot-11. In the Dungy Cover 2, lack of height means nothing. Speed is everything.
Defensive coordinators have nicknamed the weakside linebacker the "Will." Well, where there is a Will, there is a new way.
"You want as much speed as possible on defense," Panthers general manager Marty Hurney said. "Overall, speed at the linebacker position has been increasing. Speed is the name of the game now."
Speed is the reason the Panthers took James Anderson of Virginia Tech in the third round. He runs a 4.59 in the 40 and weighs just 229 pounds. Coach John Fox will use Anderson's rookie season to groom him to be a weakside linebacker. The Raiders drafted Thomas Howard of UTEP in the second round. He has 4.42 speed, ideal for the Will. The Redskins traded up in the second round to get their weakside linebacker of the future, Rocky McIntosh, who has 4.63 speed.
Because the weakside linebacker plays on the opposite side of the field as the tight end, he isn't bothered as much by big blockers. Offenses tend to run plays to the tight end side, away from the weakside linebackers, which is why faster linebackers can make up more ground and make plays. Plus, they are a threat to blitz and are used to cover the deep zone in pass defense.
"I see a time pretty soon where you are going to see three linebackers on the field who will pretty much all look the same," Titans general manager Floyd Reese said. "Those old 6-4, 255-pound strongside linebackers are being weeded out and being replaced by faster guys. Pretty soon, you are going to see three linebackers out there who aren't going to be as big but are out there because of speed."
The change is happening at a lightning pace. The Panthers scratched their heads when their weakside linebacker, Will Witherspoon, went to the St. Louis Rams and was installed at middle linebacker after signing a six-year, $33 million contract. He's 6-1 and 231 pounds, but he's fast. Speed is needed to cover that deep zone, and the Rams already have a weakside linebacker: 5-10, 231-pound Dexter Coakley. Pisa Tinoisamoa (6-1, 235) plays on the strong side.
St. Louis is one of the first teams to have three weakside-type guys starting at all three linebacker positions. But it won't be the last.
Reese is guiding the transition with his Titans. He drafted 235-pound Keith Bulluck in 2000 even though he had that dreaded tag of not taking on blocks. Bulluck made plays because of his speed and quickness and established himself as a Pro Bowler, the ideal weakside linebacker. During the offseason, the Titans signed former Colt David Thornton, whom Dungy groomed to be a Derrick Brooks-like weakside linebacker.
What do you do with two weakside linebackers? Simple. Bulluck plays right outside linebacker and Thornton plays on the left. They can make plays from either side of the field regardless of what offenses do with the tight end. Coach Jeff Fisher knows he has two quick linebackers who can make plays on the outside.
"The Tampa 2 enables a team to play with seven defenders in the box and be able to play coverage," Reese said. "It becomes demanding because the linebackers have to have speed to help with the coverage. When you hear people talking about needing more speed on defense, they start at linebacker, and that usually means the weakside linebacker position."
Dungy's defense is revolutionizing the league because it's allowing coaches to use personnel in a variety of ways. A big college safety can put on a few pounds and be a weakside linebacker. The Colts won 14 games last season with a 5-11, 235-pound middle linebacker, Gary Brackett.
And the evolution isn't stopping at linebacker. Weakside linebacker bodies are taking over the strongside position. Those 6-4, 255-pound strongside linebackers are getting a try at defensive end if they have the quickness to get to the quarterback. Dungy is taking some 265- to 275-pound defensive ends and putting them at tackle to take advantage of their quickness. Dungy, like Bill Belichick and others, has turned cornerbacks into safeties and switched them back when necessary.
NFL defenses are geared more toward speed, and the pace is quickening. When in doubt, teams will draft a quick defender ahead of an offensive skill player because speedy defenders are harder to find as the draft proceeds. Still, the weakside linebacker position is the gateway to beginning the process of overhauling a slow defense.
If that weakside linebacker is slow, he better move to the strong side. And if he's still too slow at strongside linebacker, he better move off the field.
Julian Peterson
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Seattle Seahawks
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2005 SEASON STATISTICS
Tot Ast Solo FF Sack Int
83 58 25 1 3 0
The Seahawks spent $54 million to get a weakside linebacker, Julian Peterson, who has the speed to cover a tight end or a halfback. The Giants are thinking about putting LaVar Arrington on the strong side, but he's one of those rare weakside linebackers who is big enough to knock down tackles yet fast enough to get to the quarterback.
Whether it's weak side or strong side, the evolution at linebacker has everything to do with speed, and in reality those positions are becoming interchangeable. It won't be long before moving to the strong side will be considered a sign that a player is losing a step because of the extra speed required on the weak side. But, eventually, offenses will adjust to the increasing speed and smaller defensive bodies running around.
"Eventually, teams will line up in two-tight-end sets and pound the ball with the running game," Reese said.
Until then, enjoy the speed.
John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.
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Whether it be Maualuga in the first or Cushing in the second, can we bring their D-Coordinator with them? Those blitzes are so simple yet they work.
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Why would you use Curry as a MLB? His excellent athleticism would be wasted.
What is so wrong about figuring he's more
of an outside linebacker?
The same site - middle linebackers:[/size]
Middle Linebackers for the 2009 NFL Draft</H1>QB | RB | FB | WR | TE | OT | OG | C | DE | DT | OLB | MLB | CB | Safety
Rank | Name| Height | Weight | School | *Junior1. Rey Maualuga, 6' 3" 252, USC
2. James Laurinaitis, 6' 3" 240, Ohio State
3. Brandon Spikes, 6' 2" 245, Florida*
4. Worrell Williams, 6' 0" 250, California
5. Darry Beckwith, 6' 1" 230, LSU
6. Dave Phillistin, 6' 2" 231, Maryland
7. Gerald McRath, 6' 3" 218, Southern Miss*
8. Jasper Brinkley, 6' 2" 262, South Carolina
9. Jamar Chaney, 6' 1" 235, Mississippi State
10. Jon Cooper, 6' 0" 235, Virginia
11. Derek Nicholson, 6' 2" 233, Florida State
12. Dannell Ellerbe, 6' 1" 233, Georgia
13. Ben Owens, 6' 2" 232, Arkansas State
13. Lee Robinson, 6' 2" 246, Alcorn State
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Cal, thats why I think Lauranitis is going to be a GREAT 4-3 OLB. But we still, unfortunately, still run a 34, and at least one banger is needed, which is where Rey comes in.
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