How Much More Rope?
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u got to fire mangina and dabol after this season even if we are showing a little progress but theres no reason were 0-3 ya mangina cleaned house but thats about it.even if we had an explosive young talented team do you really want mangina and dabol running it ? god think how depresing it would be then watch dabol lose game game by way of ignorant play calling lol
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Here is what will happen if we fire Mangini:
1. We hire a new coach. He gotta figure out what he has and what he needs and by then the first year is a lost cause and the fans will start doubting him.
2. Second year we wont have enough players drafted for him to implement his system but the results will be slightly better but not what the fans want and now we will be keen on getting him fired. And we might too ...
In the meanwhile,
The Coach we fired,
1. Gets position as a coordinator or headcoach of an average team
2. takes his experience with him and has less worries and hence is able to concentrate more
3. Hence is able to achieve decent to good results which obviously is better than the Browns and we will again go back to cursing our new coach.
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Here is what will happen if we fire Mangini:
1. We hire a new coach. He gotta figure out what he has and what he needs and by then the first year is a lost cause and the fans will start doubting him.
2. Second year we wont have enough players drafted for him to implement his system but the results will be slightly better but not what the fans want and now we will be keen on getting him fired. And we might too ...
In the meanwhile,
The Coach we fired,
1. Gets position as a coordinator or headcoach of an average team
2. takes his experience with him and has less worries and hence is able to concentrate more
3. Hence is able to achieve decent to good results which obviously is better than the Browns and we will again go back to cursing our new coach.
Here is what will happen if we fire Mangini:
1. We hire a new coach. He gotta figure out what he has and what he needs and by then the first year is a lost cause and the fans will start doubting him.
2. Second year we wont have enough players drafted for him to implement his system but the results will be slightly better but not what the fans want and now we will be keen on getting him fired. And we might too ...
In the meanwhile,
The Coach we fired,
1. Gets position as a coordinator or headcoach of an average team
2. takes his experience with him and has less worries and hence is able to concentrate more
3. Hence is able to achieve decent to good results which obviously is better than the Browns and we will again go back to cursing our new coach.
Seems to be the way it goes here. I'm pulling for Mangini. Dabol... not so much, but I find it would be easier to replace an assitant or a coordinator more so than the HC. Our luck, Mangini does get the axe, ends up with a playoff contender and gets another Super Bowl ring. While I'm disappointed, and sick of losing, as evident of previous posts I still think Mangini can turn it around. I did expect us to be a little bit further along at this point in regards to wins.
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As long as their is positive play coming forth from the team, the coach needs to be kept around. Once the team stops listening (if that happens) you have no choice but to let a guy go.
The Browns need a talent upgrade and that takes time. Getting a few playmakers on this roster will make a world of difference. Not sure if "Dabs" will ever be an amazing offensive coach....but HC's can be told to remove that, IF he's deemed as the major source of trouble. We need to keep Mangini if at all possible UNLESS, as i stated, he loses the team.
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
I actually do hope Lerner keeps Holmgren and Mangini. The Browns are an easy win and the doormat of the AFC North.Two less games that we consider preseason games. We can rest our starters and still beat them handily.
Kudos to Mangini and Holmgren for keeping the perpetual losing tradition of the Browns alive and well!
ESPN just ranked the steelers number one in the NFL. Browns are 30th. LOL
Big talk sonny boy. The Steelers were once a doormat (and will be again, led by Ben the Baby Banger)....ask your Daddy, I bet he remembers their crap days.
What goes around comes around & hopefully I'll get to watch somebody shove your trash talk down your throat.
Mike
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Livin in the past, are ya?
you still have a team that isn't dominant anymore. They test for steriods now. But, you still have
Troy Pollywearsahulaskirt who is still a cheap shot dirty player, although an excellent one...
If you had a case, you'd be on your own board. We'll see you after the Browns beat your squeelers right? Or will you have
other business to attend to all of a sudden, as usual?
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
Steelers!Super Bowl Championships (6)
1974 (IX), 1975 (X), 1978 (XIII), 1979 (XIV), 2005 (XL), 2008 (XLIII)
Conference championships (7)
AFC: 1974, 1975, 1978, 1979, 1995, 2005, 2008
Division championships (19)
AFC Central: 1972, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1983, 1984, 1992, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001
AFC North: 2002, 2004, 2007, 2008
Playoff appearances (25)
1947, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1989, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008
As usual Steeler troll, before 1972 doesn't count in your book. Want me to post that tidbit of Steeler suckdom? Only this year counts? Last game? Seems the Steelers didn't make the playoffs last year courtesy of the Browns.
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As long as their is positive play coming forth from the team, the coach needs to be kept around. Once the team stops listening (if that happens) you have no choice but to let a guy go.
The Browns need a talent upgrade and that takes time. Getting a few playmakers on this roster will make a world of difference. Not sure if "Dabs" will ever be an amazing offensive coach....but HC's can be told to remove that, IF he's deemed as the major source of trouble. We need to keep Mangini if at all possible UNLESS, as i stated, he loses the team.
As long as their is positive play coming forth from the team, the coach needs to be kept around. Once the team stops listening (if that happens) you have no choice but to let a guy go.
The Browns need a talent upgrade and that takes time. Getting a few playmakers on this roster will make a world of difference. Not sure if "Dabs" will ever be an amazing offensive coach....but HC's can be told to remove that, IF he's deemed as the major source of trouble. We need to keep Mangini if at all possible UNLESS, as i stated, he loses the team.
Well Steeler fans have been saying Arians sucks @ OC for years, and they've seemed to do OK.
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
I actually do hope Lerner keeps Holmgren and Mangini. The Browns are an easy win and the doormat of the AFC North.Two less games that we consider preseason games. We can rest our starters and still beat them handily.
Kudos to Mangini and Holmgren for keeping the perpetual losing tradition of the Browns alive and well!
ESPN just ranked the steelers number one in the NFL. Browns are 30th. LOL
It's asshole fans like you with your "naa naa naa naa you suck" bullshit, and the outright poor sportsmen ship that you exhibit, where I absolutely CANNOT WAIT for your team to fall on hard times and go into the shitter! And you know what? It can't happen soon enough in my book! Enjoy it while it lasts, because nothing is forever pal, and I'll be there LAUGHING MY F***N' ASS OFF when your team is the doormat! Now do us all a favor, and F*** OFF!!!!
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Nobody agrees with you. Steelers are the dominant force in the NFL. We are 3-0 and just voted Number One by ESPN. Ben Rothrapesbooger's toe licker
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Dominate doesn't mean "barely wins", you idiot.
The steelers barely beat Atlanta - in the first game, the score was 15-9.
The steelers barely beat Tennessee - the score was 18-11.
The steelers did have a big game vs the Bucs. big deal.
Idiot.
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
poor brownie fan. I guess losing really brings out the anger.Steeler nation is happy with 3-0 and Big Ben coming back to play you dopes in a few weeks.
How's that hope and change Holmgren promised?
No it's assholes like you bring out the anger! It's one thing to be proud of your team's accomplishments! It's another to act like a total douchebag and drone on and on about it and be a complete dick about it! I guess that's pretty typical of Pennsyltucky trash! And you wonder why your fans get treated like shit in our stadium? Like I said, enjoy your run now. Nothing lasts forever! We'll certainly be here to remind you. Oh wait, I'm sure you'll go into hiding like the rest of your fans did when we beat you last year! Better get ready to get that Manning jersey out of the closet as a back up.
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
I would suggest to the Browns fans and their steller management personnel that they should try to win an NFL Game?The dirty little secret in football is that you have to SCORE MORE POINTS than the other team. It sounds unfair to the Browns but that is the way it works.
As the years go by the Steelers keep getting better and the Browns keep losing and making excuses.
Let me know when you win a game in the regular season. Pre-season is only practice but I am sure you knew that. LOL
You really are like a turd that won't flush! And I know how football works dickhead! I don't need a lesson from you! Did you ever think about the fact that because we lost our team, and had to start over from scratch, and weren't afforded the luxury given to the other expansion teams, it may be a reason for the Browns struggles since their return? Seriously STFU!
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
I actually do hope Lerner keeps Holmgren and Mangini. The Browns are an easy win and the doormat of the AFC North.Two less games that we consider preseason games. We can rest our starters and still beat them handily.
Kudos to Mangini and Holmgren for keeping the perpetual losing tradition of the Browns alive and well!
ESPN just ranked the steelers number one in the NFL. Browns are 30th. LOL
How exactly will firing Mangini and Holmgren make us any better ? Before you take ESPN ranking as the be-all end-all of your logic , consider this - If the Ravens were to beat you guys tomorrow and ESPN suddenly were to throw you below in the rankings, would you believe it ?
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Why do you guys let a dipshit troll completely derail a thread? If he has time to come into the forum of a team that he doesn't root for just to troll then it is obvious that the poor guy has some problems in his life and should just be left alone to wallow in his own miserable slop. Stop giving him the only attention that he can receive.
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
poor brownie fan. I guess losing really brings out the anger.Steeler nation is happy with 3-0 and Big Ben coming back to play you dopes in a few weeks.
How's that hope and change Holmgren promised?
The hope and change is going well considering we are a mere 13 points from being 3-0 just like you. Which team just ran for 100 yards on the vaunted Ravens defense? Also, which team not only scored one, but TWO touchdowns on a defense that had not given up a touchdown so far this season?
The answer to both those questions would be The Cleveland Browns who look vastly improved from past years. Don't let the record fool you..we are 3 bad plays from being 3-0.
Need further proof of our improvements?
Game 1:
17-14 Bucs win
Delhomme throws an int that is run back to the 1 yard line so our defense can't hold them. By my calculations that means that our defense held the bucs to a mere 10 points. The Steelers gave up 13 points to the same team.
Game 2:
16-14 Chiefs win
Seneca Wallace throws a pick 6 and also a fumble that shouldn't have been allowed the Chiefs to score 3 more. This means our defense held the chiefs to 6 (count em, six) points. Tell me this is not improvement.
Game 3:
24-17 Ravens win
Our defense for the most part played very solid...except our #1 CB forgot that he was at a football game and gave up 21 our of the 24 points practically by himself. We ran all over the Ravens defense. By pounding the rock right up the middle all game they KNEW what we were going to do and a defense with as much talent as the Ravens STILL could not stop us. Our offensive line is gelling and starting to dominate again. Combine that with the bulldozer Peyton Hillis and we have a very good ground game.
These are facts...something you Steeler trolls don't understand sometimes.
Now, I know how this will work. On the other side of that computer you will scramble desperately to come up with an argument, but when presented with proof like this that the Browns are not indeed the laughing stock their 0-3 record indicates you will come up short. You will choke...you will cry...you may piss your pants even. But this is the internet, where little girls like you can still come off as tough. So respectfully, xxxx off troll. Your day is coming where you will be the laughing stock of the NFL and when it does I bet you don't even have the balls to wear your jersey to the bar or wave your piss stained cum rag at the games..
get xxxxed
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@steelersaresuperbowlbound7 said:
you lost your team? When was that - 10 years ago?How long does it take to rebuild? are the Ravens still playing with the same personnel? They won a Super Bowl and are usually neck and neck with Pittsburgh every year, what is your excuse? Modell?
10 years of drafting high and you still can't even win a game?
you lost your team because you were too cheap to build a stadium for your vaunted football team and yet you keep crying about how unfair playing in the NFL is.
Apparently you don't know shit about the situation. We weren't too cheap to build a stadium, and in fact passed the levy to build a new stadium in spite of Modell's announcement to move the previous team! Modell was a piss poor owner who was horrible with his money! How else do you explain him practically going bankrupt, despite the fact that Browns fans supported the team week after week, and sold out?
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I THINK IF EVERYONE WOULD IGNORE THIS TROLL HE MIGHT GO AWAY. WE'RE JUST FEEDING INTO HIS GAME.
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I THINK IF EVERYONE WOULD IGNORE THIS TROLL HE MIGHT GO AWAY. WE'RE JUST FEEDING INTO HIS GAME.
I THINK IF EVERYONE WOULD IGNORE THIS TROLL HE MIGHT GO AWAY. WE'RE JUST FEEDING INTO HIS GAME.
You're right.
Punks who gloat always have p*ssed me off. I won't dignify his posts with any more responses. I need to understand he's upset 'cuz Shaun Smith broke up with him.
Mike
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Firing Mangini would be beyond stupid. Why do fans keep wanting coaches fired only to bring in a new guy with a new system that needs new players that will take time to implement and then want that guy fired in a little over a year in order to do the same thing all over again. Can you not see a pattern here? For Christ's sake, let's settle down and actually give a guy a chance. This team has shown that it can be competitive and that is without many playmakers.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Firing Mangini would be beyond stupid. Why do fans keep wanting coaches fired ...?
Because the OP is Chicopee John and while I have nothing personally against him, he's been against Mangini from the start.
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Look at their record and look at the next 6 or 7 games on the schedule.
Does Mangini make it until 0-10 or does Holmgren make a move during the break week whenever that is?
Each year since 1999, I've been blasted for being too pessimistic. At year's end, however, my predictions were actually optimistic.
Let's face it, the Browns should be 2-1. I didn't expect a win against Baltimore but I certainly did against TB and KC - two teams in the same tier as the Browns.
Don't give me the Chiefs are 3-0 stuff. My response? Why are they improving and the Browns still walking around in the dark?
What is the over and under on Mangini. I say he doesn't make it through the break.
Successor? Maybe Mucci
Does Mangini make it until 0-10 or does Holmgren make a move during the break week whenever that is?
John, here's a question for you. Are you coming to a game this year? Which one. Jets?
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