WTF!!
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are you serious??? we just beat 2 of the best teams in the league and held another to a 20-20 tie until seconds left in OT and loss because of a bad play by wright to let holmes free and you want to fire daboll? get serious. this team is way sooo much better than last year but all you doom and gloom fans want to fire coaches. relax dude.
That was still the worst playcalling I've ever seen. I'm not saying fire him, but he was clearly playing for the tie at the end of OT.
That was still the worst playcalling I've ever seen. I'm not saying fire him, but he was clearly playing for the tie at the end of OT.
but that was kind of dictated by the fact that we intercepted the ball at the 2 and were backed up really bad. one mistake, game over. they did try the pass that mccoy overthrew.......after that mccoy almost ate a safety in the end zone, not much else you could do. the previous series we were going for the win no doubt. then stuckey fumbled. game was ours. if we would have won, which we had the chance to do and should have, would you still be pissed about the play calling?
i'm actually pretty happy (considering we lost) with the team and the whole org. i see really good things in the future and i haven't been able to say that in a long time.
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Throwing on our own five doesn't mean shit when 3 of the 4 routes are hitches and crosses. It's not stretching the field. It's like downfield was never an issue today. I understand that's more on McCoy's reads than the playcalling, but I'd rather just blame Daboll. So you can xxxx off.
Kiss my xxxxing ass. I've forgotten more about football than you know.
Um, first down backed up we threw downfield over the middle to Watson. To you really want us taking a chance deep to Brian Robiskie or Mo Mass being covered by Revis? Apparently you don't know shit. The only football you know is what you watch sitting in your parent's basement in your pajamas eating doritos. Anyways, I would love to hear better options on playcalling with Cribbs out and basically no down field threat. Notice when Evan Moore came in the game Revis would cover him? That is because he was the only thing that remotely scared them. They can cover Robo and Mo Mass all day. The only thing they were afraid of was a jumpball to Evan Moore, which we tried in OT, but the throw was way off from McCoy. Again, I would love to hear some detailed options, other than, "THROW IT DEEP!"
Metcalf_FTW said:
Um, first down backed up we threw downfield over the middle to Watson. To you really want us taking a chance deep to Brian Robiskie or Mo Mass being covered by Revis? Apparently you don't know shit. The only football you know is what you watch sitting in your parent's basement in your pajamas eating doritos. Anyways, I would love to hear better options on playcalling with Cribbs out and basically no down field threat. Notice when Evan Moore came in the game Revis would cover him? That is because he was the only thing that remotely scared them. They can cover Robo and Mo Mass all day. The only thing they were afraid of was a jumpball to Evan Moore, which we tried in OT, but the throw was way off from McCoy. Again, I would love to hear some detailed options, other than, "THROW IT DEEP!"+1
This Browns team needs playmakers. Playmakers make the plays, and as for the others, they don't. In this case, this would mean Robiskie and Massaqoui. They both need benched or worse, cut.
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are you serious??? we just beat 2 of the best teams in the league and held another to a 20-20 tie until seconds left in OT and loss because of a bad play by wright to let holmes free and you want to fire daboll? get serious. this team is way sooo much better than last year but all you doom and gloom fans want to fire coaches. relax dude.
We should have won this game! Did you see the 2nd half stats. The D was on the field the whole 2nd half! And what the hell were they doing on their own 4 yrd line with 2 minutes left in the OT. One deep pass and then you run the clock down. Then you have your QB take a dive on your own 2 yrd line?? Daboll is a joke!!! Gave no room for the punter to punt, giving them the ball on our side of the field with 35 secs.. They would have kicked the fg anyway and won. Just played not lose and having to depend on the D once again. HORRIBLE!!
We should have won this game! Did you see the 2nd half stats. The D was on the field the whole 2nd half! And what the hell were they doing on their own 4 yrd line with 2 minutes left in the OT. One deep pass and then you run the clock down. Then you have your QB take a dive on your own 2 yrd line?? Daboll is a joke!!! Gave no room for the punter to punt, giving them the ball on our side of the field with 35 secs.. They would have kicked the fg anyway and won. Just played not lose and having to depend on the D once again. HORRIBLE!!
You are a Retard if you think that he had McCoy go down on the play. McCoy went down to avoid the safety which would have lost us the game. You want a scape goat and it sure as hell isn't Daboll. What was it at some point in the game, they had 45 plays to our 22 and the total offensive yards for both teams were still the same, sounds like bad play calling to me. If you want to blame someone, how about Stuckey, or the 5 people on defense who missed sacks, or Elams dropped pick. This was a TEAM lose and you can not lay it on the O Coordinator.
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That was still the worst playcalling I've ever seen. I'm not saying fire him, but he was clearly playing for the tie at the end of OT.
but that was kind of dictated by the fact that we intercepted the ball at the 2 and were backed up really bad. one mistake, game over. they did try the pass that mccoy overthrew.......after that mccoy almost ate a safety in the end zone, not much else you could do. the previous series we were going for the win no doubt. then stuckey fumbled. game was ours. if we would have won, which we had the chance to do and should have, would you still be pissed about the play calling?
i'm actually pretty happy (considering we lost) with the team and the whole org. i see really good things in the future and i haven't been able to say that in a long time.
but that was kind of dictated by the fact that we intercepted the ball at the 2 and were backed up really bad. one mistake, game over. they did try the pass that mccoy overthrew.......after that mccoy almost ate a safety in the end zone, not much else you could do. the previous series we were going for the win no doubt. then stuckey fumbled. game was ours. if we would have won, which we had the chance to do and should have, would you still be pissed about the play calling?
i'm actually pretty happy (considering we lost) with the team and the whole org. i see really good things in the future and i haven't been able to say that in a long time.
Atypical Cleveland fan happy just to be in the game. You lose, big deal, sheeshs!! Should have tried something short, instead of airing it out on the first play, then they sit on their @ss the next 2 plays praying for a tie!! What a joke. PLAY TO WIN!!!!!!
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yeah i betcha you weren't bitchin about the play calling when we were winning in the first half and looked sharp in our first 3 or 4 series. you gonna blame daboll for the fumbles?
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but that was kind of dictated by the fact that we intercepted the ball at the 2 and were backed up really bad. one mistake, game over. they did try the pass that mccoy overthrew.......after that mccoy almost ate a safety in the end zone, not much else you could do. the previous series we were going for the win no doubt. then stuckey fumbled. game was ours. if we would have won, which we had the chance to do and should have, would you still be pissed about the play calling?
i'm actually pretty happy (considering we lost) with the team and the whole org. i see really good things in the future and i haven't been able to say that in a long time.
Atypical Cleveland fan happy just to be in the game. You lose, big deal, sheeshs!! Should have tried something short, instead of airing it out on the first play, then they sit on their @ss the next 2 plays praying for a tie!! What a joke. PLAY TO WIN!!!!!!
Atypical Cleveland fan happy just to be in the game. You lose, big deal, sheeshs!! Should have tried something short, instead of airing it out on the first play, then they sit on their @ss the next 2 plays praying for a tie!! What a joke. PLAY TO WIN!!!!!!
how do you know what type of fan i am? i didn't say "oh we lose...no big deal". don't put words in my mouth. i was proud of the way our team played and i like the direction they are going in. sometimes you have to look at the bigger picture. this team is head and shoulders above teams since our reinstatement into the league.........discipline, team play, oragnized........looking good. lot's of teams wish they had the foundation that our org shows and it will only get better.
if you're so angry go punch the drunk outside your door. oops, sorry you don't hit women. especially when it's your mom.
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Throwing on our own five doesn't mean shit when 3 of the 4 routes are hitches and crosses. It's not stretching the field. It's like downfield was never an issue today. I understand that's more on McCoy's reads than the playcalling, but I'd rather just blame Daboll. So you can xxxx off.
Kiss my xxxxing ass. I've forgotten more about football than you know.
Um, first down backed up we threw downfield over the middle to Watson. To you really want us taking a chance deep to Brian Robiskie or Mo Mass being covered by Revis? Apparently you don't know shit. The only football you know is what you watch sitting in your parent's basement in your pajamas eating doritos. Anyways, I would love to hear better options on playcalling with Cribbs out and basically no down field threat. Notice when Evan Moore came in the game Revis would cover him? That is because he was the only thing that remotely scared them. They can cover Robo and Mo Mass all day. The only thing they were afraid of was a jumpball to Evan Moore, which we tried in OT, but the throw was way off from McCoy. Again, I would love to hear some detailed options, other than, "THROW IT DEEP!"
Metcalf_FTW said:
Um, first down backed up we threw downfield over the middle to Watson. To you really want us taking a chance deep to Brian Robiskie or Mo Mass being covered by Revis? Apparently you don't know shit. The only football you know is what you watch sitting in your parent's basement in your pajamas eating doritos. Anyways, I would love to hear better options on playcalling with Cribbs out and basically no down field threat. Notice when Evan Moore came in the game Revis would cover him? That is because he was the only thing that remotely scared them. They can cover Robo and Mo Mass all day. The only thing they were afraid of was a jumpball to Evan Moore, which we tried in OT, but the throw was way off from McCoy. Again, I would love to hear some detailed options, other than, "THROW IT DEEP!"Tell me when I said throw it deep. I said downfield was never an option for us. You don't have to have a Randy Moss to have downfield threat. You can run 5 linemen as wideouts and have a downfield threat. Just because Cribbs is out doesn't give Daboll carte blanche to stop sending any receivers on a fly.
It's football 101....you send your receivers downfield to spread the field. It's called a smokeout, and it's the basis of the spread offense. Running them downfield gives the defense less defenders to work with in order to stop the run. It's especially effective against defenses that blitz heavily (like the Jets defense), because once the runningback clears the first level (the blitz), the second level is cleared and all that is in front of him is the defensive secondary which is occupied by offensive wideouts. The wideouts that were sent on the fly then can provide downfield blocks. The smokeout is perfect for teams with no legitimate receiving threats, because after being gouged by the run, the secondary will either start to cheat in or play the deep routes very soft, expecting the offense to run.
BUT... since Cribbs is out, we pack everything in tight and run the ball. The Jets are easily able to stack the box, and even if they didn't, our low number routes (crosses, hitches) compact the defensive players in tight which gives the runningback even more defenders to beat. The low number routes are great when you have YAC recievers, but I haven't really seen one of those on our roster in a while. And then, when we get stifled on the run, we run the low number routes that keep our receivers underneath the sticks, which puts us in third down because....once again....we have no YAC recievers.
Like I said before, our two wins were influenced heavily by trick plays and great defensive plays. Once you take those two things away, it exploits Daboll's playcalling.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
Oh, and Revis was covering Moore because Revis is no longer considered the number one corner in New York. He hasn't been all season. Cromartie has been the #1 all season.
Revis has been covering slot receivers and #2 receivers since coming back from his injury.
It's nothing to do with our lack of playmakers as it's just the basics of setting up a defense.
Once again, something you would know if you knew jackshit about anything.
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Why we lost:
1. Defense can't get a sack to save their lives
2. Stuckey's fumble fingers
3. Cribb's injury
4. No discernible talent at the WR position
5. Time of possession, Jets: 47.08 Browns: 27.36
6. Eric "can't cover shit" Wright
HC, OC, and DC aren't on that list. I remembered to forget more football than you ever forgot to remember...or something like that.
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Metcalf_FTW said:
Um, first down backed up we threw downfield over the middle to Watson. To you really want us taking a chance deep to Brian Robiskie or Mo Mass being covered by Revis? Apparently you don't know shit. The only football you know is what you watch sitting in your parent's basement in your pajamas eating doritos. Anyways, I would love to hear better options on playcalling with Cribbs out and basically no down field threat. Notice when Evan Moore came in the game Revis would cover him? That is because he was the only thing that remotely scared them. They can cover Robo and Mo Mass all day. The only thing they were afraid of was a jumpball to Evan Moore, which we tried in OT, but the throw was way off from McCoy. Again, I would love to hear some detailed options, other than, "THROW IT DEEP!"Tell me when I said throw it deep. I said downfield was never an option for us. You don't have to have a Randy Moss to have downfield threat. You can run 5 linemen as wideouts and have a downfield threat. Just because Cribbs is out doesn't give Daboll carte blanche to stop sending any receivers on a fly.
It's football 101....you send your receivers downfield to spread the field. It's called a smokeout, and it's the basis of the spread offense. Running them downfield gives the defense less defenders to work with in order to stop the run. It's especially effective against defenses that blitz heavily (like the Jets defense), because once the runningback clears the first level (the blitz), the second level is cleared and all that is in front of him is the defensive secondary which is occupied by offensive wideouts. The wideouts that were sent on the fly then can provide downfield blocks. The smokeout is perfect for teams with no legitimate receiving threats, because after being gouged by the run, the secondary will either start to cheat in or play the deep routes very soft, expecting the offense to run.
BUT... since Cribbs is out, we pack everything in tight and run the ball. The Jets are easily able to stack the box, and even if they didn't, our low number routes (crosses, hitches) compact the defensive players in tight which gives the runningback even more defenders to beat. The low number routes are great when you have YAC recievers, but I haven't really seen one of those on our roster in a while. And then, when we get stifled on the run, we run the low number routes that keep our receivers underneath the sticks, which puts us in third down because....once again....we have no YAC recievers.
Like I said before, our two wins were influenced heavily by trick plays and great defensive plays. Once you take those two things away, it exploits Daboll's playcalling.
Tell me when I said throw it deep. I said downfield was never an option for us. You don't have to have a Randy Moss to have downfield threat. You can run 5 linemen as wideouts and have a downfield threat. Just because Cribbs is out doesn't give Daboll carte blanche to stop sending any receivers on a fly.
It's football 101....you send your receivers downfield to spread the field. It's called a smokeout, and it's the basis of the spread offense. Running them downfield gives the defense less defenders to work with in order to stop the run. It's especially effective against defenses that blitz heavily (like the Jets defense), because once the runningback clears the first level (the blitz), the second level is cleared and all that is in front of him is the defensive secondary which is occupied by offensive wideouts. The wideouts that were sent on the fly then can provide downfield blocks. The smokeout is perfect for teams with no legitimate receiving threats, because after being gouged by the run, the secondary will either start to cheat in or play the deep routes very soft, expecting the offense to run.
BUT... since Cribbs is out, we pack everything in tight and run the ball. The Jets are easily able to stack the box, and even if they didn't, our low number routes (crosses, hitches) compact the defensive players in tight which gives the runningback even more defenders to beat. The low number routes are great when you have YAC recievers, but I haven't really seen one of those on our roster in a while. And then, when we get stifled on the run, we run the low number routes that keep our receivers underneath the sticks, which puts us in third down because....once again....we have no YAC recievers.
Like I said before, our two wins were influenced heavily by trick plays and great defensive plays. Once you take those two things away, it exploits Daboll's playcalling.
go ask the saints, pats and now the jets if all we have is trick plays. pleeeeez. dude, it ain't that bad! look at the positives and have a drink.
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Tell me when I said throw it deep. I said downfield was never an option for us. You don't have to have a Randy Moss to have downfield threat. You can run 5 linemen as wideouts and have a downfield threat. Just because Cribbs is out doesn't give Daboll carte blanche to stop sending any receivers on a fly.
It's football 101....you send your receivers downfield to spread the field. It's called a smokeout, and it's the basis of the spread offense. Running them downfield gives the defense less defenders to work with in order to stop the run. It's especially effective against defenses that blitz heavily (like the Jets defense), because once the runningback clears the first level (the blitz), the second level is cleared and all that is in front of him is the defensive secondary which is occupied by offensive wideouts. The wideouts that were sent on the fly then can provide downfield blocks. The smokeout is perfect for teams with no legitimate receiving threats, because after being gouged by the run, the secondary will either start to cheat in or play the deep routes very soft, expecting the offense to run.
BUT... since Cribbs is out, we pack everything in tight and run the ball. The Jets are easily able to stack the box, and even if they didn't, our low number routes (crosses, hitches) compact the defensive players in tight which gives the runningback even more defenders to beat. The low number routes are great when you have YAC recievers, but I haven't really seen one of those on our roster in a while. And then, when we get stifled on the run, we run the low number routes that keep our receivers underneath the sticks, which puts us in third down because....once again....we have no YAC recievers.
Like I said before, our two wins were influenced heavily by trick plays and great defensive plays. Once you take those two things away, it exploits Daboll's playcalling.
go ask the saints, pats and now the jets if all we have is trick plays. pleeeeez. dude, it ain't that bad! look at the positives and have a drink.
go ask the saints, pats and now the jets if all we have is trick plays. pleeeeez. dude, it ain't that bad! look at the positives and have a drink.
You do realize that the Saints and the Pats game each had like 4 trick plays in them? And they all either were plays we scored on, or set up a future score.
It's not that bad, I still am encouraged by what I see. But I'm not drinking the Kool Aid like everyone else is. Everyone was saying how we're playoff bound or a force to be reckoned with after only two wins. We've proven we can compete, I agree. But I'm not proclaiming us to be out of the cellar just yet.
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go ask the saints, pats and now the jets if all we have is trick plays. pleeeeez. dude, it ain't that bad! look at the positives and have a drink.
You do realize that the Saints and the Pats game each had like 4 trick plays in them? And they all either were plays we scored on, or set up a future score.
It's not that bad, I still am encouraged by what I see. But I'm not drinking the Kool Aid like everyone else is. Everyone was saying how we're playoff bound or a force to be reckoned with after only two wins. We've proven we can compete, I agree. But I'm not proclaiming us to be out of the cellar just yet.
You do realize that the Saints and the Pats game each had like 4 trick plays in them? And they all either were plays we scored on, or set up a future score.
It's not that bad, I still am encouraged by what I see. But I'm not drinking the Kool Aid like everyone else is. Everyone was saying how we're playoff bound or a force to be reckoned with after only two wins. We've proven we can compete, I agree. But I'm not proclaiming us to be out of the cellar just yet.
No one really give a xxxx what you proclaim.
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You do realize that the Saints and the Pats game each had like 4 trick plays in them? And they all either were plays we scored on, or set up a future score.
It's not that bad, I still am encouraged by what I see. But I'm not drinking the Kool Aid like everyone else is. Everyone was saying how we're playoff bound or a force to be reckoned with after only two wins. We've proven we can compete, I agree. But I'm not proclaiming us to be out of the cellar just yet.
No one really give a xxxx what you proclaim.
No one really give a xxxx what you proclaim.
Don't get all pissy just because not everyone looks at the world through rose colored glasses like you do.
Go back to reading your grocery store love novels.
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No one really give a xxxx what you proclaim.
Don't get all pissy just because not everyone looks at the world through rose colored glasses like you do.
Go back to reading your grocery store love novels.
Don't get all pissy just because not everyone looks at the world through rose colored glasses like you do.
Go back to reading your grocery store love novels.
xxxx you pussy.
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Don't get all pissy just because not everyone looks at the world through rose colored glasses like you do.
Go back to reading your grocery store love novels.
xxxx you pussy.
xxxx you pussy.
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xxxx you pussy.
Nice pussy response from the board pussy. Eat shit and bark at the moon xxxx head.
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Nice pussy response from the board pussy. Eat shit and bark at the moon xxxx head.
Nice pussy response from the board pussy. Eat shit and bark at the moon xxxx head.
Keep 'em coming.
Eventually you'll evolve into a person that can form an intelligent comeback.
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Why we lost:
1. Defense can't get a sack to save their lives
2. Stuckey's fumble fingers
3. Cribb's injury
4. No discernible talent at the WR position
5. Time of possession, Jets: 47.08 Browns: 27.36
6. Eric "can't cover shit" Wright
HC, OC, and DC aren't on that list. I remembered to forget more football than you ever forgot to remember...or something like that.
Why we lost:
1. Defense can't get a sack to save their lives
2. Stuckey's fumble fingers
3. Cribb's injury
4. No discernible talent at the WR position
5. Time of possession, Jets: 47.08 Browns: 27.36
6. Eric "can't cover shit" Wright
HC, OC, and DC aren't on that list. I remembered to forget more football than you ever forgot to remember...or something like that.
this is one of the few posts in this thread displaying common sense.. I agree with all 6 reasons but would also add: 7. Fujita and Brown both got hurt too.. Haden played very well, but Fujita would have given us a better chance of wrapping up Sanchez..
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Why we lost:
1. Defense can't get a sack to save their lives
2. Stuckey's fumble fingers
3. Cribb's injury
4. No discernible talent at the WR position
5. Time of possession, Jets: 47.08 Browns: 27.36
6. Eric "can't cover shit" Wright
HC, OC, and DC aren't on that list. I remembered to forget more football than you ever forgot to remember...or something like that.
Why we lost:
1. Defense can't get a sack to save their lives
2. Stuckey's fumble fingers
3. Cribb's injury
4. No discernible talent at the WR position
5. Time of possession, Jets: 47.08 Browns: 27.36
6. Eric "can't cover shit" Wright
HC, OC, and DC aren't on that list. I remembered to forget more football than you ever forgot to remember...or something like that.
Cribbs injury shouldn't have had the catastrophic effect it did on our offense. That's the only point I'm trying to make.
I will agree with everything else though. It wasn't solely on Daboll, and I don't want him fired. But his normal playcalling has got to improve still. Trick plays are all well and good, and so is the WildDawg. But once you take Cribbs away, you need to be able to still constantly maintain an offensive presence.
Granted, that's hard to do when the offense never sees the field in the second half. But that's just gives you even more reason to capitalize on the few chances you do get.
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everybody does realize that we are fans of the same team here right? i mean we shouldn't be screaming at each other but instead we should all be happy in the fact that we aren't seeing thread titles like 'SAME OLD BROWNS'. i don't think anyone thought that we'd make the playoffs, just some wishful thinking is all, and there should be nothing wrong with that. if i was in the bar right now with all of you i'd by a round. there would be no hanging of the heads or bad-mouthing of our team. we'd all be standing together proud and toast the resurgence of THE CLEVELAND BROWNS!!!!! prost/cheers!!!!!
GO BROWNS!!!!
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