Bye Bye Mangini
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After catching up on the board this evening I decided that, as a public service, I would make a trip to the local Palm Reader's house to ascertain the future of the Browns. I've got good news and bad news.
First the good news.
Mangini stays, Daboll goes. Chucky comes to Cleveland. Holmgren names Chucky as head coach and Mangini volunteers to become the Offensive Coordinator. A.J Green and Julio Jones go crazy and get arrested for indecent exposure. Both choose community service in lieu of jail time and volunteer to come to Cleveland for free. Justin Blackmon is traded to Cleveland from the Redskins....just because he is deemed to have a poor cardiovascular system. Ryan Broyles is also drafted by the Browns to run in the slot. We also pick up 2 all pro offensive linemen. Someone from Cleveland beats up their dog and then drives him to Michael Vick's house and he has to leave Philly in the middle of the night. He comes to Cleveland because he has always like the Dawgpound. Several key defensive pickups also occur. Sal Alosi is hired for the sole purpose of strengthening the defense to ensure solid tackling at the end of all close games.
Now the bad news. There is a lockout for all of 2011 so there are no games.
Now more good news. Our 2012 draft is even stronger than the 2011. We are loaded for the 2012 season. The 18 game season gets implemented too. As of the middle of December we are UNDEFEATED and a lock for home field advantage throughout the playoff's. The entire NFL is envious of the Browns. In a big surprise, the Steelers franchise crashes and the entire team is moved, during the middle of the night, to Canton where they become the Canton Clowns. Their team colors are changed to pink and white. Big Ben has to retire from football when he gets too friendly with a polar bear at the Canton Zoo and suffers a horrific injury.
Now for the really bad news. Those damn Mayans were right and the world ends on December 21, 2012 when there is a huge polar shift. The 2012 playoff's never happen. Only two people remain on earth and must repopulate the planet. Those two people are Jenn Sterger and Brett Favre.
The one and only time losing is acceptable is when it involves your virginity. -
Here's where Mangini differs from any before for him and I fear any who may come after him
Eric is looking to build a "culture" if you will,he searching out certain "types" that fit his "system"...that's right "system"
something we haven't experienced here for a while
He demands hardworking,self motivated,loyal,cerebral,dedicated players.
Right now some of those types aren't the most athletic,or talented players in the league,but they need to be here to set the example
for the Hadens,McCoys,Wards,and Hillis'... that are talented and athletic...and over time he'll replace the Trusniks,and Ventrones
with talented,athletic kids who will learn from Haden,McCoy,Ward and Hillis...They'll learn hard work,motivation,loyalty,etc.
They'll learn to be... Cleveland Browns
That's what I see Mangini's building here ...a team we can identify with...not just now but years from now
I really believe that if Gruden came here it would be all about winning today...and the hell with tomorrow
I look at a guy like Cam Wimbley...nice guy...but he never felt like a Cleveland Brown to me...hell I couldn't even tell you what number he wore
But I know Gene Hickerson wore 66,Tom Darden wore 27,Dick Ambrose was 52, Matthews 57,Shirk 72,Cockroft 12,Minnefield 31,Pruitt 34&43
How do I know this right off the top of my head,when I couldn't tell you what I had for supper last night?
because these guy's busted their ass for me,for us,for Cleveland every Sunday.
And that is what I believe Eric Mangini is trying to bring to Cleveland...a team that busts its ass for us every week,a team this city
can identify with...but its gonna take more time...more drafts...more talent
I really believe that if we give this guy 2 more years...that 30 years from now we'll all know who wore 23,12,43,and 40.
Here's where Mangini differs from any before for him and I fear any who may come after him
Eric is looking to build a "culture" if you will,he searching out certain "types" that fit his "system"...that's right "system"
something we haven't experienced here for a while
He demands hardworking,self motivated,loyal,cerebral,dedicated players.
Right now some of those types aren't the most athletic,or talented players in the league,but they need to be here to set the example
for the Hadens,McCoys,Wards,and Hillis'... that are talented and athletic...and over
time he'll replace the Trusniks,and Ventrones
with talented,athletic kids who will learn from Haden,McCoy,Ward and Hillis...They'll learn hard work,motivation,loyalty,etc.
They'll learn to be... Cleveland Browns
That's what I see Mangini's building here ...a team we can identify with...not just now but years from now
Wow, he's like King Arthur, George Washington and Captain Kirk all in one.
I really believe that if Gruden came here it would be all about winning today...and the hell with tomorrow
I look at a guy like Cam Wimbley...nice guy...but he never felt like a Cleveland Brown to me...hell I couldn't even tell you what number he wore
But I know Gene Hickerson wore 66,Tom Darden wore 27,Dick Ambrose was 52, Matthews 57,Shirk 72,Cockroft 12,Minnefield 31,Pruitt 34&43
How do I know this right off the top of my head,when I couldn't tell you what I had for supper last night?
because these guy's busted their ass for me,for us,for Cleveland every Sunday.
And that is what I believe Eric Mangini is trying to bring to Cleveland...a team that busts its ass for us every week,a team this city
can identify with...but its gonna take more time...more drafts...more talent
I really believe that if we give this guy 2 more years...that 30 years from now we'll all know who wore 23,12,43,and 40.
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part of the problem as i see it is a portion of the fanbase. if you really expected a turnaround of this team after 2 years then you need to reevaluate your expectations. how can anyone expect this team to be a finished product now? why such urgency to win after losing for more than a decade? the reason: impatience.....
there's a reason we constantly hear that we need to have patience.....cause we do. everyone was flippin shit after mangini's first year cause he only improved one game. so we get halfway thru a rebuild and what......everyone is going crazy and calling for heads before all the pieces can be put into place. we were a fluke in '07....sustained success means we need stability.
think grudens gonna walk in here and get us to the playoffs his first year? please....no coach is going to succeed in this environment until we...as fans....shut the xxxx up and quit acting like we know more than the people who do this for a living. seriously....just shut the xxxx up....all of you. if you want a winner so bad, just shut...the...xxxx...up and let the process run its course. demanding a winner these past ten years has really worked out...hasnt it? whats the common denominator over that time.....lerner, and the fans.
try acting like the great football fans you claim to be, rather than whining like a bunch of school girls.
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Name me one coach in the NFL that came back after being out of coaching for a 2 to 3 year period and were successful
This league is a coach killer and the grind of all grinds..Something tells me MH is beyond that.
Shanahan=disaster in DC
Gibbs=too brutal to talk about
Parcells=.500 coach
I'm sure there are other examples.
Most football fans don't understand how this NFL works
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There are reasons this team is playing worse now than it did five or six weeks ago. In the end, however, they would simply be excuses and I don't think that any coach under fire really wants to pull those types of excuses out.
When you look at this team they are clearly better in terms of talent; The execution is woefully inconsistent.
Then we get to the actual coaching and play-calling. We all like to think that we know how much of any success or failure has to do with the coaches or the players and that's simply impossible for us to know. If a play is unsuccessful, is it because:
1) the other team played really well?
2) our team played really poorly?
3) the play design on our part was dooming it to fail?
We simply don't know.
Players play and coaches coach. That's simply the way it is. I am a Mangini fan. I think he's changed the culture and he's righted the ship. The questions about how far he can take it are perhaps, legitimate based on the last few weeks but if you look at the three weeks when he handed Payton, Belichick and (almost) Rex Ryan their collective asses then you have to wonder if firing him now would be premature. Eric Mangini has shown that, at his best, he can coach with the best in the league. Has he been consistent this year? I don't know. I don't know how much is on the coaches and how much is on the players. When Peyton Hillis gets stuffed on 3rd and 1 and Steinbach blocks AIR on the play and the right side is woeful...I don't know what you're expecting the coach to do with the pieces that he has. The offensive line is over-rated. Some defensive rushers have handled Joe Thomas this year and we give him a pass because he's Joe and we love him. Josh Cribbs hasn't been able to make a cut since training camp and he hasn't produced a single "Josh Cribbs" type of return this season. Everyone has injuries and we're no different...but losing Fujita really set this defense back. Robiskie is starting to make some noise and MoMass looks like he isn't a total stiff but it's a bit late.
Sometimes good coaches get fired because they simply can't overcome the deficiencies which are numerous. Eric Mangini being fired by Mike Holmgren would be understandable from the standpoint of the results on the field and the fact that Holmgren's view of how to fix the offense may be different. Mangini has suffered from his loyalty to his OC...who whether you think he's a big problem or not...shares some blame. Firing Mangini may not be the best move in the short or long term in the sense that it's quite impatient and it will result in blowing up the 3-4 and a new offense. It will involve a new coach wanting "his" guys. Jon Gruden and John Fox are not bad coaches but are they so much better than Eric Mangini that they deserve to run this ship? I think we'd be being awfully generous if we said "yes".
I'd like to keep Eric Mangini for one more season. I don't believe that will happen and I think that will be a setback. I'd also note that no one is asking my opinion.
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Put down the dawg bone, and step away from the egg nog.
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very good points Earl..
Even if mangini was to save his job we would have to blow up our offense anyway. Does anyone think Brian gayboll will stay? Anytime you change your OC you have to blow it up...
Another thing is I beleive Rob Ryan will be fired also even if Mangini stays.. The guy is the most overated DC of all time. He hasn't done anything was terrible with the raiders..
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No way in hell there will be a strike in 2011. Have you seen the recent news story about NFL ratings? Of the 20 programs on all TV with the highest ratings, the NFL had 18 of them. They are raking in money hand over fist. Like they say, money talks bullshit walks. A deal WILL get done.
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Now for the really bad news. Those damn Mayans were right and the world ends on December 21, 2012 when there is a huge polar shift.
At least you didn't say we were 14 games in to a undefeated season with home home field through out the playoffs and the hands down SB favorite.
That would really suck.
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Is there any way you could roll all the "zomg mangini is gonna be gone" threads. Seems every 5 min a new one opens with same story. " I made a grill cheese sandwich, and it had John Grudens face on it. So its official "
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No way in hell there will be a strike in 2011. Have you seen the recent news story about NFL ratings? Of the 20 programs on all TV with the highest ratings, the NFL had 18 of them. They are raking in money hand over fist. Like they say, money talks bullshit walks. A deal WILL get done.
No way in hell there will be a strike in 2011. Have you seen the recent news story about NFL ratings? Of the 20 programs on all TV with the highest ratings, the NFL had 18 of them. They are raking in money hand over fist. Like they say, money talks bullshit walks. A deal WILL get done.
Hope you are right, but you might want to check out the link I just posted on 2010 team values, revenues, costs, etc.
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After catching up on the board this evening I decided that, as a public service, I would make a trip to the local Palm Reader's house to ascertain the future of the Browns. I've got good news and bad news.
First the good news.
Mangini stays, Daboll goes. Chucky comes to Cleveland. Holmgren names Chucky as head coach and Mangini volunteers to become the Offensive Coordinator. A.J Green and Julio Jones go crazy and get arrested for indecent exposure. Both choose community service in lieu of jail time and volunteer to come to Cleveland for free. Justin Blackmon is traded to Cleveland from the Redskins....just because he is deemed to have a poor cardiovascular system. Ryan Broyles is also drafted by the Browns to run in the slot. We also pick up 2 all pro offensive linemen. Someone from Cleveland beats up their dog and then drives him to Michael Vick's house and he has to leave Philly in the middle of the night. He comes to Cleveland because he has always like the Dawgpound. Several key defensive pickups also occur. Sal Alosi is hired for the sole purpose of strengthening the defense to ensure solid tackling at the end of all close games.
Now the bad news. There is a lockout for all of 2011 so there are no games.
Now more good news. Our 2012 draft is even stronger than the 2011. We are loaded for the 2012 season. The 18 game season gets implemented too. As of the middle of December we are UNDEFEATED and a lock for home field advantage throughout the playoff's. The entire NFL is envious of the Browns. In a big surprise, the Steelers franchise crashes and the entire team is moved, during the middle of the night, to Canton where they become the Canton Clowns. Their team colors are changed to pink and white. Big Ben has to retire from football when he gets too friendly with a polar bear at the Canton Zoo and suffers a horrific injury.
Now for the really bad news. Those damn Mayans were right and the world ends on December 21, 2012 when there is a huge polar shift. The 2012 playoff's never happen. Only two people remain on earth and must repopulate the planet. Those two people are Jenn Sterger and Brett Favre.
After catching up on the board this evening I decided that, as a public service, I would make a trip to the local Palm Reader's house to ascertain the future of the Browns. I've got good news and bad news.
First the good news.
Mangini stays, Daboll goes. Chucky comes to Cleveland. Holmgren names Chucky as head coach and Mangini volunteers to become the Offensive Coordinator.
0% chance this happens. Mangini was a defensive coordinator before becoming head coach so there is no way he would all of a sudden switch to the offense. The only way that senario could work (but it won't) is if Gruden is hired for offensive coordinator and Mangini stays as head coach...
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After catching up on the board this evening I decided that, as a public service, I would make a trip to the local Palm Reader's house to ascertain the future of the Browns. I've got good news and bad news.
First the good news.
Mangini stays, Daboll goes. Chucky comes to Cleveland. Holmgren names Chucky as head coach and Mangini volunteers to become the Offensive Coordinator.
0% chance this happens. Mangini was a defensive coordinator before becoming head coach so there is no way he would all of a sudden switch to the offense. The only way that senario could work (but it won't) is if Gruden is hired for offensive coordinator and Mangini stays as head coach...
0% chance this happens. Mangini was a defensive coordinator before becoming head coach so there is no way he would all of a sudden switch to the offense. The only way that senario could work (but it won't) is if Gruden is hired for offensive coordinator and Mangini stays as head coach...
Clearly you didnt read the whole thing. It was a full of sarcasm. Somehow we get AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon and Ryan Broyles? Sounds like people should believe that, or that Vick will end up here.
Come on man!
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I in the beginning was an avid mangini supporter but it didnt take long to start to see this guy is a mediocre career coach at best, i like a few things he does but for the most part he makes consistently bad decisions at every level from hiring and then keeping dabs right on down to the field where the guy couldnt make the right game deciding decision if his life depended on it.
He is very uncreative and unoriginal and add dabs into the picture and you have a team that can be easily predicted and all but assured of no on the fly adjustments or personnel changes, after being hammered by holmgren mangini revises his gameplan to beat the saints and pats with creativity and then after holmgren is impressed manweenie slips back into his mediocre my way or no way skin and this time he his caught and finished..
Mangini leaves much to be desired in a head coach from a fans view but lamontes stable is very bare on good coaching talent and i honestly dont see anyone that stands out but gruden or holmgren himself that would do it for me...otherwise we are likely trading a smelly turd already in the toilet for a potentially explosive diarrhea accident..
We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS! -
0% chance this happens. Mangini was a defensive coordinator before becoming head coach so there is no way he would all of a sudden switch to the offense. The only way that senario could work (but it won't) is if Gruden is hired for offensive coordinator and Mangini stays as head coach...
Clearly you didnt read the whole thing. It was a full of sarcasm. Somehow we get AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon and Ryan Broyles? Sounds like people should believe that, or that Vick will end up here.
Come on man!
Clearly you didnt read the whole thing. It was a full of sarcasm. Somehow we get AJ Green, Julio Jones, Justin Blackmon and Ryan Broyles? Sounds like people should believe that, or that Vick will end up here.
Come on man!
you're right i skimmed. my bad! but with everything else that has been posted over the past few days, it is harder to distinguish sarcasm from stupidity...
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This is just my opinion but this is who i think will be the next coaching staff
HC: Mike Holmgren or Jon Gruden
OC: Jim Zorn
DC: John Fox
and i do believe who ever our next HC is we will make the change to a 4-3 Defence OR we will show multipul fronts
This is just my opinion but this is who i think will be the next coaching staff
HC: Mike Holmgren or Jon Gruden
OC: Jim Zorn
DC: John Fox
and i do believe who ever our next HC is we will make the change to a 4-3 Defence OR we will show multipul fronts
HC: Mike Holmgren or Jon Gruden
Either of these guys will do, but gruden is going to be in high demand and will be expensive or may chose to hold off another year so maybe holmgren holds down the fort until chucky comes home...
OC: Jim Zorn
After daboll a bum off the skids would be an upgrade and thats about how much an upgrade this casket bait would be..
DC: John Fox
He has been an HC to long to consider a step down..
I also believe with a new coach and DC we will go 4-3 and it cant be soon enough..
With mangini we know what to expect, solid below mediocre performance with a new coach even gruden or holmy himself we dont know what to expect other than it has to equate to a better situation with moderately immediate improvement...
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If we go 4-3, we can say goodbye to ever contending in the AFC North.
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I wouldnt mind John Fox or even Jeff Fisher i think he may be gone in Tennessee depending on how the Vince Young situation plays out, and my dark horse who i think would fit are WCO is Jim Harbaugh from Stanford be great for the brothers to battle it out twice a year
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I just saw an article where he dosent want Young as we all know and the owner refuses to let him go as he sees him as the long term QB, So my question is do you think he would be a good fit for the browns?
Im also not completely writing off Mangini but i guess everyone else feels we need to get rid of him i think he is laying some great foundation for the next couple years i mean you really do need at least 3 years to build your team the way you would want, but everyone is calling for his head so im wondering who could possible be the next one to come in, John Fox?? and please no to Gruden i know he gets alot of love on here but im just not sold on him as a HC
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