Bye Bye Mangini
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MH gave him a year to improve. We do not have a worse record then last year and we have been in every game with not much of an overly talented team. We made the Pats and Saints look mediocre. Give him 1 more year and some more weapons on offense and I think we will be pretty good.
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This thread is now getting absurd............Lovie and Gruden have both proved they are the victim or beneficiary of their players...........NEITHER IS WORTH A CRAP
A real coach raises the level of play neither of these buffoons raises anything
and yep Mangini is gone...................Holmgren will get offense minded ................so lovie has zero chance............and Gruden is will what he is an overhyped Chuckie.............and I believe Holmgren gets it...........and will go somewhere else
This thread is now getting absurd............Lovie and Gruden have both proved they are the victim or beneficiary of their players...........NEITHER IS WORTH A CRAP
A real coach raises the level of play neither of these buffoons raises anything
and yep Mangini is gone...................Holmgren will get offense minded ................so lovie has zero chance............and Gruden is will what he is an overhyped Chuckie.............and I believe Holmgren gets it...........and will go somewhere else
Yeah well Gruden can coach much better than this guy!
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NEVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
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Mangini will hopefully be fired Jan 2 at half time..
Why should the Browns give Mangini another year, to prove that he sucks.
Unlike some of you I don't need another year for him to prove it to me!
Mangini will hopefully be fired Jan 2 at half time..
Why should the Browns give Mangini another year, to prove that he sucks.
Unlike some of you I don't need another year for him to prove it to me!
You've made that declaration 4,000,000,000 times which is roughly the same amount of times you've declared you're man love, man crush for Chucky..We get it already..seriously
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Are we ready to do this yet? I bet it will be December 2010.
Are we ready to do this yet? I bet it will be December 2010.
Oh by the way its Jan 1st..you lose..bye bye
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This thread is now getting absurd............Lovie and Gruden have both proved they are the victim or beneficiary of their players...........NEITHER IS WORTH A CRAP
A real coach raises the level of play neither of these buffoons raises anything
and yep Mangini is gone...................Holmgren will get offense minded ................so lovie has zero chance............and Gruden is will what he is an overhyped Chuckie.............and I believe Holmgren gets it...........and will go somewhere else
Yeah well Gruden can coach much better than this guy!
Yeah well Gruden can coach much better than this guy!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! YESSSSSSS!!! As I always say at home when I'm watching House, Omar Epps had to of flown out of that episode taping so he could get back to coaching the Steelers.
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LMAO!!! If Mangini is still the Browns head coach after December 31, 2010 I don't get to post on here for a year!
You do realize that today is December 31, 2010, right? You prediction means he has to get fired in the next 3 hours and 13 minutes. Highly unlikely.
You do realize that today is December 31, 2010, right? You prediction means he has to get fired in the next 3 hours and 13 minutes. Highly unlikely.
Dude, look at the time stamp of when he originally posted...
waiting...
DOH!
Yup, it was November 2009
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Heckert's the GM. I think if Holmgren coaches (and I think he will) it's going to be a planned bridge to another coach running his systems in 2012 or 2013... like Gruden.
Honestly, I think it's gotta be a WCO guy so it's Holmgren, Gruden, or Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh goes to either SF or Carolina (with Luck), so that leaves Holmgren or Gruden. It might kind of be both, as in Holmgren now then Gruden in 2012. Maybe Gruden's son got it right.
Heckert's the GM. I think if Holmgren coaches (and I think he will) it's going to be a planned bridge to another coach running his systems in 2012 or 2013... like Gruden.
Honestly, I think it's gotta be a WCO guy so it's Holmgren, Gruden, or Harbaugh. I think Harbaugh goes to either SF or Carolina (with Luck), so that leaves Holmgren or Gruden. It might kind of be both, as in Holmgren now then Gruden in 2012. Maybe Gruden's son got it right.
Many are overlooking Mornhinweg.
He has a history with Heckert.
I think we are more likely to get a guy like him over gruden who is going to want to have more control than will be offered in Cleveland.
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Are we ready to do this yet? I bet it will be December 2010.
Oh by the way its Jan 1st..you lose..bye bye
Oh by the way its Jan 1st..you lose..bye bye
HAHA the funny part is that he could be fired in 2-3 days yet you still won
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"Missed it by -that- much."
Yep, forgot about this but a deal is a deal and I am a man of my word, no more posts. I do wish well to all of you on this board and to your families in the new year, and still predict that if intelligent personnel decisions continue to be made the Browns could have a wild card playoff spot in as little as two years. And imho the first intelligent personnel decision would be to allow Mangini to finish what he has begun, rather than continue with the revolving door of coaches.
Once again, good luck and farewell.
Buck
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"Missed it by -that- much."
Yep, forgot about this but a deal is a deal and I am a man of my word, no more posts. I do wish well to all of you on this board and to your families in the new year, and still predict that if intelligent personnel decisions continue to be made the Browns could have a wild card playoff spot in as little as two years. And imho the first intelligent personnel decision would be to allow Mangini to finish what he has begun, rather than continue with the revolving door of coaches.
Once again, good luck and farewell.
Buck
Yep, forgot about this but a deal is a deal and I am a man of my word, no more posts. I do wish well to all of you on this board and to your families in the new year, and still predict that if intelligent personnel decisions continue to be made the Browns could have a wild card playoff spot in as little as two years. And imho the first intelligent personnel decision would be to allow Mangini to finish what he has begun, rather than continue with the revolving door of coaches.
Once again, good luck and farewell.
Buck
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
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I'm not a fan of Rivera. Living in San Diego and watching a lot of Chargers games (when they're not blacked out) the defense wasn't as good as the stats would indicate this year.
I still hope that Mangini gets another season to continue the progress that we're making.
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Yep, forgot about this but a deal is a deal and I am a man of my word, no more posts. I do wish well to all of you on this board and to your families in the new year, and still predict that if intelligent personnel decisions continue to be made the Browns could have a wild card playoff spot in as little as two years. And imho the first intelligent personnel decision would be to allow Mangini to finish what he has begun, rather than continue with the revolving door of coaches.
Once again, good luck and farewell.
Buck
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.
Im sure he will make a new name and come back trolling harder then ever in a few days, espically if we beat them tomorrow.
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All i have to say is that was one helluva good read!
I stand with the illiterate/silent majority of fans that would like to see mangini removed from the browns equation so we can begin heading in the right direction we have the base and the FO now we need a good coach that knows how to take the next step..
However if holmgren thinks mangini is the guy im not going to go ballistic about it until/unless he fails next year on a weak schedule then all hell is going to break loose...
Thusfar holmgren has done nothing that points out that he doesnt know what he is doing and as fans we have no choice but to roll with whatever punches lerner and his minions throw at us and hope for the best..
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All i have to say is that was one helluva good read!
I stand with the illiterate/silent majority of fans that would like to see mangini removed from the browns equation so we can begin heading in the right direction we have the base and the FO now we need a good coach that knows how to take the next step..
However if holmgren thinks mangini is the guy im not going to go ballistic about it until/unless he fails next year on a weak schedule then all hell is going to break loose...
Thusfar holmgren has done nothing that points out that he doesnt know what he is doing and as fans we have no choice but to roll with whatever punches lerner and his minions throw at us and hope for the best..
All i have to say is that was one helluva good read!
I stand with the illiterate/silent majority of fans that would like to see mangini removed from the browns equation so we can begin heading in the right direction we have the base and the FO now we need a good coach that knows how to take the next step..
However if holmgren thinks mangini is the guy im not going to go ballistic about it until/unless he fails next year on a weak schedule then all hell is going to break loose...
If Holmgren keeps Mangini hes just giving him enablers to make the same mistakes he made this season,next season. Even if we change OC...Mangini will still find a way to misuse the clock and not use timeouts properly...I just cant see the logic in keeping him.
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
All i have to say is that was one helluva good read!
I stand with the illiterate/silent majority of fans that would like to see mangini removed from the browns equation so we can begin heading in the right direction we have the base and the FO now we need a good coach that knows how to take the next step..
However if holmgren thinks mangini is the guy im not going to go ballistic about it until/unless he fails next year on a weak schedule then all hell is going to break loose...
If Holmgren keeps Mangini hes just giving him enablers to make the same mistakes he made this season,next season. Even if we change OC...Mangini will still find a way to misuse the clock and not use timeouts properly...I just cant see the logic in keeping him.
If Holmgren keeps Mangini hes just giving him enablers to make the same mistakes he made this season,next season. Even if we change OC...Mangini will still find a way to misuse the clock and not use timeouts properly...I just cant see the logic in keeping him.
Thats pretty much the way i see it as well but its holmgrens mistake to make and lerners price to pay at the ticket office..
Im sick of the coach changes like everyone else but we have a good FO now that isnt changing with the coach so we shouldnt settle for anything less than the right guy and lets hope holmgren can tap that guy the first time around...
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@junkyard-dawg said:
There's alot of speculation right now on what will happen in a few days with our Browns. Some ofthe speculation is Grudens getting a Brownie The Elf tattoo on his ass, bags packed waiting
to take over, some of it is Mike Holmgrens sitting in his office like a wee child a few days
before Christmas, waiting to fire Mangini monday morning and play with his new toy. Only Holmgren and
Heckert know what will happen Monday morning. I do want to point out a few things though, as well as speculate
on my own, then mention a few names to keep in mind.
The first thing I want to point out is we run the 3-4. Our personnel is the 3-4. Neither Holmgren
nor Gruden have any experience running that type of defense. Converting back to the 4-3 would either
take a massive investment NOW, or slowly building towards going 4-3 later. Part of that transition would
mean running a 3-4/4-3 hybrid for a few years. The only problem with that is.... There's a shortage
of DC's availailable who can successfuly run both and transition it. Don't say Rob Ryan, he has failed
at running both systems. That leaves either sticking with the 3-4(with a head coach inexperienced with
it) or a total overhaul. It's a risky proposition, try what you don't know or rebuild. That
may give Holmgren pause.
Which leads me to my second point, Holmgrens point of contention that we're aware of is the offense.
He simply doesn't like the Patriots offensive system. It isn't what he knows and enjoys. He's admitted
once already he wasn't enjoying watching the offense play. This seems to be where his coaching itch
continues to creep into and is what's driving him nuts. Although as he stated, as a coach that's something
you're always going to have, his wanting the offense ran his way. On the surface that sounds good for a
Gruden, or himself, or Mariucci, HOWEVER......
When he came in here he kind of took on Mangini as sort of a project. A young head coach he could
mentor a bit. A different kind of challenge. I speculate that's where his head is largely at right now.
He has that itch, no doubt but I think he realizes his taking over as a HC is a short term patch that won't
really be a long term solution. The problem is Mangini is a Belicheat disciple. He also needed to sink or
swim on his own this year. That wasn't a fit from the get go. Differing systems, two experienced HC's,
and the coach needing to prove his bones. But what if.... What if there's a happy medium?
I don't see the media even considering this and I have to ask why? What if there's a way for
Holmgren to scratch his coaching itch while mentoring a long term head coach? What if he could sink his
teeth into our offense while not being a short term head coach? What if instead of having to scrap the
entire team again there's a way to mesh the 3-4 defense with the WCO? The media hasn't brought it up
because it isn't sexy so i'm bringing it up. There IS a way. Grab a HC candidate with a strong 3-4 defensive
background and engineer the offense for him. Holmgren would get to scratch his itch while building longterm
and the team wouldn't have to totally rebuild again. A win/win. But where to find that guy. You'd need someone
experienced with running a 3-4 defense that isn't predicated on chewing up the clock running on offense 500
times. There's two candidates popping up in my head over and over that depending on what Holmgren is thinking
HAS TO be on our radar.
The first... Jim Harbaugh. He runs the WCO at Standford. He runs a 3-4 defense. He's a young prospect. On the
surface he's really the ultimate candidate for Holmgren. Harbaugh is a younger guy that shares Holmgrens
philosophy without alot of NFL experience, a guy Holmgren can mold into his vision. It gives him a project
that will come in and be on the same page day one. He's the hot candidate for the 'Niners supposedly BUT they're
a worse destination than us. Your rope is half as long and the front office is an utter mess. With us he would get
a solid front office with a President and GM that belong to the same coaching philosophy as he does and honestly?
He's a great fit for the AFCN. I wouldn't be surprised if he's near the top of Holmgrens shortlist.
The second guy, and a favorite of mine... Ron Rivera. He's young enough(48) to be a longterm solution for over a
decade, he's been a hot candidate for several years now and he's ready to be a head coach. He's also had alot of
success with the 3-4 in San Diego and he's a defensive mastermind. He KNOWS how to build top 10 defenses. Working
for SD he also knows how to scheme a defense with a pass happy offense. Rivera would be a GREAT match for Holmgren.
It gives Holmgren the opportunity to mentor a younger guy, dip his fingers into the offense and architect ANOTHER great
offense all while Rivera assembles and builds the kind of defense he is known for. He also has connections to Heckert via
Andy Reid. It's not as sexy as paying Gruden a fortune but it's a great match. He also brings alot of the same things
to the table as Mangini(and Ryan) thus further smoothing a transition: He coaches smart, tough, fundamentally sound
squads(Mangini) while also being a players coach(Ryan).
There's probably others who fit the bill, I haven't really dug that far into it. What i'm looking at is younger, first
time guys who can mesh what we have into a solid TEAM without blowing things up while being a guy Holmgren can mentor.
I'm also looking for guys who would put us in a position of building a dream team of sorts. One thing Holmgren said when
he came aboard that stood out to me, one of his biggest mistakes was not building up powerful defenses. With the right guy
who knows defenses he would be able to help facilitate both. In Riveras case you have a defensive genius teamed up with an offensive genius. With Harbaugh you have a guy that runs the same type of 3-4 as Pitt and Baltimore who can bring in a Mike Singletary or Mike Nolan to design a top 10 defense. In other words the potential is there for us to build a Bill Walsh
offense AND a Chuck Noll defense simultaneously.
Thoughts? Opinions? I'm just thinking outside the box here. I don't see the obvious options as realistic personally.
It's too obvious and too Cleveland Browns-ish for Holmgren to pull a Butch Davis and try to run the whole show and
the Gruden stuff is too much of a Dan Snyder move. Couple together Holmgrens own words and actions with the reality
of the situation tells me the Retards in the media are talking out of their asses like the other 99% of the times
they speak.
First off I would like to point out that Rob has done a good job with this defense. Most of the games we have lost were because of the offense couldn't score enough points and turned the ball over. Having said that I agree he should be promoted to head coach here but I would like to see him stay as Defensive Coordinator. Also I don't think your two choices for HC will work out. Rivera is soso with his offense. He has the players but the d just doesn't seem to hold up, at least not any better than what our current defense can do with Ryan. Even though I don't want Ryan as a head coach here I think he would do a better job as a head coach here compared to Rivera.
Harbaugh on the other hand is going to make a great head coach... in a division other than the AFC North. In case you haven't noticed there are two Harbaugh's and the other is currently the head coach of the Ravens. I just don't see this guy taking a job where he has to face his brother twice a year and I wouldn't be surprised if he dodged the AFC all together and only excepted a job in the NFC.
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