College Coaching candiate -vs- experienced NFL Coach

longhorn

@mark-o said:
I want the next Sean Payton....whoever that guy is.

Well, Coach Sean gave up $250K of his own slary so the Saints would hire Gregg Williams so does that qualify?

Mark O

That's fine with me. I just love the attitude and offense that he brings to the Saints and that's the kindof coach that I want. Not to mention, he was a "no name" when he was hired by the Saints.

shepwrite

I won't be at all surprised if the Browns do go with a young, offensive-minded coach with WCO experience. Mike McCoy's name keeps coming up, but he might be the OC (if the coach is a defensive guy like Fox). Bevell from Minnesota is another one. Shurmur makes a ton of sense.

Captain Cheesedick

The organization SHOULD be able to find a young, hungry coordiator that wants to show what he can do. They are out there.

There is a coordinator out there that wants to prove himself. Who will consider himself the Browns head coach first. He will be honored to have the job, and his performance will show that. It won't be the teams honor to have him here. He will establish his reputation here, not somewhere else.

This will show that the organization knows what it wants and has a plan.

I don't want Gruden, or Fox or anyone that I would associate in other colors. Find OUR head coach.

shepwrite

We have the perfect mentor figure in place for that, Soldier... and I agree. There are a lot of really sharp WCO minds out there... and I think it's time for the Browns to have an offensive minded head coach and a fairly autonomous defensive coordinator.

Captain Cheesedick

We do have that perfect person in Holmgren. He has found many coordinators during his head coaching years. Hopefully this will be his direction.

I'm not sold on the WCO for us. In my opinion, to get that thing through the winter part of the season, you need a great QB. Not a good one, not an above average one, but a great QB.

Our homefield advantage in January football (hopefully) should be the trenches. Lets call in the NCO.

Of course thats just the style I like, so my beliefs are biased.

peterbell

No Wait the WCO will save Cleveland

gimme a freakin break..

Holmgren had Montana, Favre and Hasselback running his offense..think that helped?...duh

shepwrite

WCO actually makes plenty of sense in cold weather because it's all about short passes and efficiency. Brady in his youth had no running game and threw short, quick passes 50 times a game and drove defenses crazy. Denver's offense (Shanahan is WCO) did pretty damn well throwing the ball, even when it was Brian Griese.

It's not like WCO don't run the ball. In fact, they almost always have 1,000 yard rushers. Look through those Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco, and Denver teams and there are a ton.

Teams pass in cold weather, WCO or not. The Steelers, Giants, Bears, Packers, Bengals, Ravens, Patriots... hell, everybody throws the ball now because you aren't gonna win any other way.

And knowing that, the way that makes the most sense is short, quick passes that don't get caught up in the wind.

Really, nobody is winning playing 1950s football, handing the ball off and grunting a lot. I know some of you miss it, but it isn't coming back. You can't win in this league in any weather if you can't pass the ball at a very high level, as Holmgren says over and over.

calfoxwc

The WCO is worthless, though, if you don't have the wr's who are quick to run their routes and get separation.

The Browns just don't have that number one wr who can get downfield fast, on a route, or after catching a shorter pass.

So the defense cheats up and floods the short throws. That's why Ben Watson caught so many passes - he's still fairly fast,

and gets open, and he's a big target. I hope A.J. Green is that player, but it's too early to tell...

The Browns must get that Jerry Rice, or a Hines Ward type of physical talent (but with brains and character).

Or Paul Warfield. Lynn Swann. It might be Blackmon or Julio Jones more than A. J. Green, maybe. The Browns just NEED one.

The Gipper

@peterbell said:
No Wait the WCO will save Cleveland
gimme a freakin break..

Holmgren had Montana, Favre and Hasselback running his offense..think that helped?...duh

What makes you think we don't have the successor to those guys here in Colt McCoy?

The Gipper

@shepwrite said:
WCO actually makes plenty of sense in cold weather because it's all about short passes and efficiency. Brady in his youth had no running game and threw short, quick passes 50 times a game and drove defenses crazy. Denver's offense (Shanahan is WCO) did pretty damn well throwing the ball, even when it was Brian Griese.
It's not like WCO don't run the ball. In fact, they almost always have 1,000 yard rushers. Look through those Seattle, Green Bay, San Francisco, and Denver teams and there are a ton.

Teams pass in cold weather, WCO or not. The Steelers, Giants, Bears, Packers, Bengals, Ravens, Patriots... hell, everybody throws the ball now because you aren't gonna win any other way.

And knowing that, the way that makes the most sense is short, quick passes that don't get caught up in the wind.

Really, nobody is winning playing 1950s football, handing the ball off and grunting a lot. I know some of you miss it, but it isn't coming back. You can't win in this league in any weather if you can't pass the ball at a very high level, as Holmgren says over and over.

Except of course the 1950s Cleveland Browns were running what was essentially the WCO with Otto Graham. The same formula you apply is exactly what they were doing back then.

Exc

DawgTracker

We just fired a coach who understands what it takes to win a superbowl. Why would we go after a college coach just because he has more pizazz