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@josephsuxdick said:
In case you didn't realize, I didn't create this name, it's a cute little joke the sitemaster does called "change the handle to something gay and dirty." ....and funny....These guys clearly have a penchant for the homoerotic. Hey, it's the 2010s, however you roll is however you roll...Now as for civility, I'd say swiping someone's team is a rather poor show of manners at best. Wouldn't you?
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@josephsuxdick said:
In case you didn't realize, I didn't create this name, it's a cute little joke the sitemaster does called "change the handle to something gay and dirty." These guys clearly have a penchant for the homoerotic. Hey, it's the 2010s, however you roll is however you roll...Now as for civility, I'd say swiping someone's team is a rather poor show of manners at best. Wouldn't you?
I didn't swipe anybody's team. I simply root for the team who hails from Baltimore. If I remember correctly, we spent many, many years trying to go about getting another NFL team the right way. Because you see, while your city's team was pissing on themselves back in the 50's and 60's, my city's team, the Baltimore Colts, was busy building the NFL into what it is today. Along with teams like the Cleveland Browns and Green Bay Packers.
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Formerly Sane said:
And to think......I thought Browns fans were delusional!1. If you watch that Super Bowl game you will see there was plenty of bad officiating and the Steelers got screwed on several calls.............but a delusional fan is incapable of seeing that.
2. Bill Cowher might, just might, have had more important things on his mind........like his wife's life!
3. The Steeler were 8-8 in 2006, not 6-10. This is exactly what makes people say that Browns fans are disillusion! You too bozo!
4. The Ravens beat the Steelers in the last minute with our 3rd string QB playing!
If you read the posts, I corrected myself. I was remembering your 6-10 performance in 2003, and yes, you clowns finished 8-8 in 2006. If Cowher's concern for his wife prevented him from doing his job in 2006, then maybe he should have been a better husband, and walked away following the Super Bowl. Just my opinion.
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Formerly Sane said:
Just say no to drugs there skippy!Once again, your posts make zero sense. Why is it that you can't banter about football, and have to stoop to petty remarks. Oh wait....Steeler fan. Nevermind, I get it.
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@josephsuxdick said:
Yeah, the same fan base that has plopped 20,000 Steeler fans in your own stadium taking it over. I know, I've been one of them. I've seen it myself.The same fan base that makes the parking lots around your stadium look like a tailgate at Heinz Field when the Steelers play there.
The same fan base that caused your Raven management to panic a few years ago, and refuse to take ticket orders from the 412 area code, and ordered Ravens season ticket holders to buy the Steeler home game if they wanted extra tickets for other games.
The same fan base that had the Sun paper list all the Steeler bars in Baltimore this week. Including one non-Steeler bar that said it won't let in anyone with a Steeler jersey, because they're sick of being overrun. How many Ravens bars you wanna guess there are in Pittsburgh?
You want to talk empty seats? Go back to the '90s when you still played in Memorial Stadium. Attendance wasn't too hot til about '98 or so.
September 15, 1996: Houston Oilers at Baltimore. Total attendance a whopping 20,082. Be proud, very proud.
I'm sure if the city of Baltimore ever tanked the way the city of Pittsburgh did, causing a mass exodus of our people and fans, then more of the country would be littered with Ravens fans, the way the disgusting Steeler fans migrate to better lives and better jobs outside of that stink hole city you support.
Also, moron, but if you would have done your homework, you would've seen that the September 15, 1996 game against the Oilers, was played...IN HOUSTON!!!!!!!!!! Good job, idiot, you Steeler fans continue to prove my point.
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hey man! stop! don't hit 'em!
pleeez. what do you Fs have to complain about? our teams play in what i consider to be the best division in the best game in the world, and consistently you both (ravens and steelers) make it into the post-season and eventually end up playing each other in what most consider to be the most physical game of the playoffs. and the browns and their fans have to sit, wait and watch it. congratulations.
but (like i said before) you might want to take it somewhere else. even though you say you come here to talk football, to us browns' fans it's a slap in our face to do this on OUR forum.
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Formerly Sane said:
Ever think that the timing of his wife's diagnosis could have had something to do with it? Nah,,, you would rather just be a dipshit!That's not for me to answer. That's on Billy-boy.
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Formerly Sane said:
But you'll be a asshole about it in the meantime right?Not at all. Ok, well, maybe a little. But original point was how the Steeler fan base wasn't as "loyal" as most fans like to think. Hey, I remember the opener in Baltimore in 2005 when 20,000 Ravens' fans cheered the Colts injuring Kyle Boller. We all have those within the base, just seems that some fans aren't as quick to admit their own warts.
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@josephsuxdick said:
"Pissing on your team" in the 50s? Son, you really need a history lesson. I personally know a ton of old timers who were there though the bad years, all the way, when it wasn't easy (unlike being a Colts, Browns or Packers fan with all that success). Of course, only the Colts and Packers "built" the NFL, Art Rooney had nothing to do with that huh? Nah. Again, you really need a reality lesson.I really don't understand a Ravens fans coming onto a Cleveland board looking for hugs. I REALLY don't understand any Brownie fan who would give it to him. But hey, not my call, whatever.
Read my post thoroughly before you comment on it please. I said "your city's TEAM was pissing on themselves." For most Steeler fans, the NFL started in 1970. That was my point. And I have actually gotten mostly positive feed back from Browns fans on this board because I come here to talk football. And considering your last post concerning a certain Ravens game in 1996, your take on history means dick to me.
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Cool. We have a ratbird fan arguing with squeeler fan JoeSucksYak on our Brownsboard.
Just a preview of what these two rotten teams will do to each other. Except the ratbirds don't cheapshot
as much as the entire squeeler defense, especially Hairyson and PollyisaGirlieMan. Advantage: squeelers ?
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Go 'Lers said:
Empathy for Baltimore?I probably over analyzed this but here goes nothing. The Ravens were once the Cleveland Browns, their bastard owner relocated them, yet football returned to the shores of Lake Erie. Now that the stench of Modell is gone AND that Baltimore did let you keep your name, history, and colors, do you find this fan base --dare I say-- connecting with Baltimore's fan base on some level?
Losing a football team is never easy and I know Cleveland hated it but since you only waited 3 years (compared to Baltimore's 12) and that Baltimore had their heart broken once as well, is there a begrudging yet mutual respect and understanding between Cleveland and Baltimore? After all, they understood your pain
Please refrain from posting disparaging remarks, I only posed this question due to the remarks of the group members dealing with the upcoming playoff match up between the Ravens and Steelers.
You hit the nail on the head. Baltimore and Cleveland football fans have ALOT in common. They both share a proud history of football tradition, with franchises and players who helped make the NFL what it is today. The Hall of Fame is filled with players from Baltimore and Cleveland, even though the Hall continues to do us the ultimate injustice by placing the history of the Baltimore Colts under that of Indianapolis in Canton. Both cities lost their teams to greedy owners who completely mismanaged their respective franchises, in different ways of course. Irsay, from the mid-70's alienated everyone in the organization, its players, fans, even the city government. Modell completely mishandled the finances and got himself into the jam that led him to move the team. The one difference, was that the fans never turned on the team in Cleveland the way it did in Baltimore. Browns fans continued to sell out the Mistake by the Lake, no matter what was going on in the standings or front office. Either way, both cities had their hearts ripped out. The big difference, was that for 12 years the NFL did everything they could to keep football out of Baltimore, to the point that they gave freakin' Jacksonville an expansion team. Cleveland was promised a team as part of the agreement to let Modell complete the move to Baltimore, which took up residence in 1999.
The fact is, Baltimore and Cleveland fans, not the teams, but the fans, share similar football histories, with a few exceptions here and there. The other thing we have in common is that we both continue to play second fiddle to the Steelers. Yes, the Ravens have had more success against Shitsburgh then Cleveland, but we're only 12-20 in the regular season against them, and we haven't beaten Rottenberger since 2006. That trend has to end. Baltimore football teams are 0-4 against Pitt in the postseason all time. Hell, the Orioles are 0-2 against the Pirates in the postseason for God's sake. So we share a lot of the same feelings towards Pittsburgh, as our Cleveland counterparts for a lot of the same reasons.
That being said, this Saturday represents the best chance the Ravens have of reversing that trend. This is the most talented team we have ever taken into Pittsburgh, and they finally played a complete game against the Chiefs. It's time to get one against these idiots.
You hit the nail on the head. Baltimore and Cleveland football fans have ALOT in common. They both share a proud history of football tradition, with franchises and players who helped make the NFL what it is today. The Hall of Fame is filled with players from Baltimore and Cleveland, even though the Hall continues to do us the ultimate injustice by placing the history of the Baltimore Colts under that of Indianapolis in Canton. Both cities lost their teams to greedy owners who completely mismanaged their respective franchises, in different ways of course. Irsay, from the mid-70's alienated everyone in the organization, its players, fans, even the city government. Modell completely mishandled the finances and got himself into the jam that led him to move the team. The one difference, was that the fans never turned on the team in Cleveland the way it did in Baltimore. Browns fans continued to sell out the Mistake by the Lake, no matter what was going on in the standings or front office. Either way, both cities had their hearts ripped out. The big difference, was that for 12 years the NFL did everything they could to keep football out of Baltimore, to the point that they gave freakin' Jacksonville an expansion team. Cleveland was promised a team as part of the agreement to let Modell complete the move to Baltimore, which took up residence in 1999.
The fact is, Baltimore and Cleveland fans, not the teams, but the fans, share similar football histories, with a few exceptions here and there. The other thing we have in common is that we both continue to play second fiddle to the Steelers. Yes, the Ravens have had more success against Shitsburgh then Cleveland, but we're only 12-20 in the regular season against them, and we haven't beaten Rottenberger since 2006. That trend has to end. Baltimore football teams are 0-4 against Pitt in the postseason all time. Hell, the Orioles are 0-2 against the Pirates in the postseason for God's sake. So we share a lot of the same feelings towards Pittsburgh, as our Cleveland counterparts for a lot of the same reasons.
That being said, this Saturday represents the best chance the Ravens have of reversing that trend. This is the most talented team we have ever taken into Pittsburgh, and they finally played a complete game against the Chiefs. It's time to get one against these idiots.
When i saw that a Ravens fan had posted , i thought "here we go ", But after reading your post , you do make a lot of sense ,Baltimore & Cleveland are very much alike, and i genuinely feel sorry for Baltimore fans who had their team whisked away to Indy but........to me personally, Baltimore's the City that took 'my' team out of Cleveland for 4 yrs .,and i just cant root for the Ravens....Im sorry . thats just the way i feel
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To her credit, she does have those pale, tender, sensuous kind of thighs you want on a woman.
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I'd hit it.
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@josephsuxdick said:
There ya go, Ravens boy.Remember Cleveland, that Lombardi up in Baltimore should be sitting in your case right now. That's fact.
But keep on admiring your "sister city" if you wish.
No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
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@josephsuxdick said:
There ya go, Ravens boy.Remember Cleveland, that Lombardi up in Baltimore should be sitting in your case right now. That's fact.
But keep on admiring your "sister city" if you wish.
No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
HEY! Did the Browns move?
(let me remove the antaginzer persona for a second, I love the Sound of Thunder reference)
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No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
HEY! Did the Browns move?
(let me remove the antaginzer persona for a second, I love the Sound of Thunder reference)
The Soldier said:
HEY! Did the Browns move?No
(let me remove the antaginzer persona for a second, I love the Sound of Thunder reference)
If I made a Sound of Thunder reference, it was totally inadvertent. Wasn't Sound of Thunder that Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman NASCAR movie?
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@josephsuxdick said:
I take your point. That defense was so good in 2000, though, there's a good chance that team wins it all in whatever town it's located. Best to move on and support the team you have now. Nor am I suggesting you do anything else.For that Ravens visitor though, remember, while Baltimore was working to take Cleveland's team, Dan Rooney was voting against it. And working to bring back football to Cleveland. I think Baltimore boy should keep that in mind before he tries to brag about his warm feelings and sympathy for Cleveland.
I guess if we wanted to engage in "What Ifs" What if Modell had appointed Ozzie Newsome to run his franchise a couple of years before he decided to "move", and what if you had the combination of Newsome and Bill Belichick operating the Browns together?
That is what we could have had I guess. Two of the current best operators in the NFL working together.
Not even that however could have probably saved Modell from his own financial ineptitude.
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