Baltimore-Pittsburgh
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Cool. We have a ratbird fan arguing with squeeler fan JoeSucksYak on our Brownsboard.
Just a preview of what these two rotten teams will do to each other. Except the ratbirds don't cheapshot
as much as the entire squeeler defense, especially Hairyson and PollyisaGirlieMan. Advantage: squeelers ?
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Go 'Lers said:
Empathy for Baltimore?I probably over analyzed this but here goes nothing. The Ravens were once the Cleveland Browns, their bastard owner relocated them, yet football returned to the shores of Lake Erie. Now that the stench of Modell is gone AND that Baltimore did let you keep your name, history, and colors, do you find this fan base --dare I say-- connecting with Baltimore's fan base on some level?
Losing a football team is never easy and I know Cleveland hated it but since you only waited 3 years (compared to Baltimore's 12) and that Baltimore had their heart broken once as well, is there a begrudging yet mutual respect and understanding between Cleveland and Baltimore? After all, they understood your pain
Please refrain from posting disparaging remarks, I only posed this question due to the remarks of the group members dealing with the upcoming playoff match up between the Ravens and Steelers.
You hit the nail on the head. Baltimore and Cleveland football fans have ALOT in common. They both share a proud history of football tradition, with franchises and players who helped make the NFL what it is today. The Hall of Fame is filled with players from Baltimore and Cleveland, even though the Hall continues to do us the ultimate injustice by placing the history of the Baltimore Colts under that of Indianapolis in Canton. Both cities lost their teams to greedy owners who completely mismanaged their respective franchises, in different ways of course. Irsay, from the mid-70's alienated everyone in the organization, its players, fans, even the city government. Modell completely mishandled the finances and got himself into the jam that led him to move the team. The one difference, was that the fans never turned on the team in Cleveland the way it did in Baltimore. Browns fans continued to sell out the Mistake by the Lake, no matter what was going on in the standings or front office. Either way, both cities had their hearts ripped out. The big difference, was that for 12 years the NFL did everything they could to keep football out of Baltimore, to the point that they gave freakin' Jacksonville an expansion team. Cleveland was promised a team as part of the agreement to let Modell complete the move to Baltimore, which took up residence in 1999.
The fact is, Baltimore and Cleveland fans, not the teams, but the fans, share similar football histories, with a few exceptions here and there. The other thing we have in common is that we both continue to play second fiddle to the Steelers. Yes, the Ravens have had more success against Shitsburgh then Cleveland, but we're only 12-20 in the regular season against them, and we haven't beaten Rottenberger since 2006. That trend has to end. Baltimore football teams are 0-4 against Pitt in the postseason all time. Hell, the Orioles are 0-2 against the Pirates in the postseason for God's sake. So we share a lot of the same feelings towards Pittsburgh, as our Cleveland counterparts for a lot of the same reasons.
That being said, this Saturday represents the best chance the Ravens have of reversing that trend. This is the most talented team we have ever taken into Pittsburgh, and they finally played a complete game against the Chiefs. It's time to get one against these idiots.
You hit the nail on the head. Baltimore and Cleveland football fans have ALOT in common. They both share a proud history of football tradition, with franchises and players who helped make the NFL what it is today. The Hall of Fame is filled with players from Baltimore and Cleveland, even though the Hall continues to do us the ultimate injustice by placing the history of the Baltimore Colts under that of Indianapolis in Canton. Both cities lost their teams to greedy owners who completely mismanaged their respective franchises, in different ways of course. Irsay, from the mid-70's alienated everyone in the organization, its players, fans, even the city government. Modell completely mishandled the finances and got himself into the jam that led him to move the team. The one difference, was that the fans never turned on the team in Cleveland the way it did in Baltimore. Browns fans continued to sell out the Mistake by the Lake, no matter what was going on in the standings or front office. Either way, both cities had their hearts ripped out. The big difference, was that for 12 years the NFL did everything they could to keep football out of Baltimore, to the point that they gave freakin' Jacksonville an expansion team. Cleveland was promised a team as part of the agreement to let Modell complete the move to Baltimore, which took up residence in 1999.
The fact is, Baltimore and Cleveland fans, not the teams, but the fans, share similar football histories, with a few exceptions here and there. The other thing we have in common is that we both continue to play second fiddle to the Steelers. Yes, the Ravens have had more success against Shitsburgh then Cleveland, but we're only 12-20 in the regular season against them, and we haven't beaten Rottenberger since 2006. That trend has to end. Baltimore football teams are 0-4 against Pitt in the postseason all time. Hell, the Orioles are 0-2 against the Pirates in the postseason for God's sake. So we share a lot of the same feelings towards Pittsburgh, as our Cleveland counterparts for a lot of the same reasons.
That being said, this Saturday represents the best chance the Ravens have of reversing that trend. This is the most talented team we have ever taken into Pittsburgh, and they finally played a complete game against the Chiefs. It's time to get one against these idiots.
When i saw that a Ravens fan had posted , i thought "here we go ", But after reading your post , you do make a lot of sense ,Baltimore & Cleveland are very much alike, and i genuinely feel sorry for Baltimore fans who had their team whisked away to Indy but........to me personally, Baltimore's the City that took 'my' team out of Cleveland for 4 yrs .,and i just cant root for the Ravens....Im sorry . thats just the way i feel
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To her credit, she does have those pale, tender, sensuous kind of thighs you want on a woman.
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I'd hit it.
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@josephsuxdick said:
There ya go, Ravens boy.Remember Cleveland, that Lombardi up in Baltimore should be sitting in your case right now. That's fact.
But keep on admiring your "sister city" if you wish.
No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
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@josephsuxdick said:
There ya go, Ravens boy.Remember Cleveland, that Lombardi up in Baltimore should be sitting in your case right now. That's fact.
But keep on admiring your "sister city" if you wish.
No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
HEY! Did the Browns move?
(let me remove the antaginzer persona for a second, I love the Sound of Thunder reference)
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No, truly, we don't see it that way. We know it is the whole butterfly effect in operation. It is not a given that if Modell had never attempted to move that it would have been the Browns winning that title. There are just too many "What ifs" to really think like that.
This is not to exonerate Baltimore or their fans or Modell or the cast of idiots involved in that venture, but we really don't sit around thinking "that should have been ours".
HEY! Did the Browns move?
(let me remove the antaginzer persona for a second, I love the Sound of Thunder reference)
The Soldier said:
HEY! Did the Browns move?No
(let me remove the antaginzer persona for a second, I love the Sound of Thunder reference)
If I made a Sound of Thunder reference, it was totally inadvertent. Wasn't Sound of Thunder that Tom Cruise/Nicole Kidman NASCAR movie?
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@josephsuxdick said:
I take your point. That defense was so good in 2000, though, there's a good chance that team wins it all in whatever town it's located. Best to move on and support the team you have now. Nor am I suggesting you do anything else.For that Ravens visitor though, remember, while Baltimore was working to take Cleveland's team, Dan Rooney was voting against it. And working to bring back football to Cleveland. I think Baltimore boy should keep that in mind before he tries to brag about his warm feelings and sympathy for Cleveland.
I guess if we wanted to engage in "What Ifs" What if Modell had appointed Ozzie Newsome to run his franchise a couple of years before he decided to "move", and what if you had the combination of Newsome and Bill Belichick operating the Browns together?
That is what we could have had I guess. Two of the current best operators in the NFL working together.
Not even that however could have probably saved Modell from his own financial ineptitude.
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She's a perfect match for him.
I bet she just bought that shirt a week ago to. For some reason all the squeeler gear looks used even though it's still sitting on the rack at K-Mart. I wonder why that is?
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I bet she just bought that shirt a week ago to. For some reason all the squeeler gear looks used even though it's still sitting on the rack at K-Mart. I wonder why that is?
Now post up the actual chick. You guys also need a picture overhaul. The same ones with the same awful photochops aren't cutting it anymore.
AKA SNATCH98 or Rorbotron. The boards glorious admins decided to get cute and change my name to "homotron" Classy group of people. (Lost a bet with Columbus king and got banned for a month) -
I bet she just bought that shirt a week ago to. For some reason all the squeeler gear looks used even though it's still sitting on the rack at K-Mart. I wonder why that is?
Now post up the actual chick. You guys also need a picture overhaul. The same ones with the same awful photochops aren't cutting it anymore.
Homotron said:
Now post up the actual chick. You guys also need a picture overhaul. The same ones with the same awful photochops aren't cutting it anymore.HomoTrons new girl
I believe all the girls in pittsburgh dress like this.
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Sound of Thunder was a Ray Bradbury short story. I believe it's the origin of the "butterfly effect" concept.
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Sound of Thunder is a noise heard by defensive backs when they are the only thing between Peyton Hillis runnning at full speed and their own goaline.
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Homotron said:
Now post up the actual chick. You guys also need a picture overhaul. The same ones with the same awful photochops aren't cutting it anymore.HomoTrons new girl
I believe all the girls in pittsburgh dress like this.
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Homotron said:
Now post up the actual chick. You guys also need a picture overhaul. The same ones with the same awful photochops aren't cutting it anymore.HomoTrons new girl
I believe all the girls in pittsburgh dress like this.
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@josephsuxdick said:
"Pissing on your team" in the 50s? Son, you really need a history lesson. I personally know a ton of old timers who were there though the bad years, all the way, when it wasn't easy (unlike being a Colts, Browns or Packers fan with all that success). Of course, only the Colts and Packers "built" the NFL, Art Rooney had nothing to do with that huh? Nah. Again, you really need a reality lesson.I really don't understand a Ravens fans coming onto a Cleveland board looking for hugs. I REALLY don't understand any Brownie fan who would give it to him. But hey, not my call, whatever.
Well Joe look at it like this- you have a huge game today- and your flaming with a RAVENS fan, on a BROWNS board. So maybe it's why your name got changed (and not by me).
And I'll just say this- with 15 years of perspective, the blame doesn't so much lay on the football fans of Baltimore or the state of Maryland- It lies solely on the shoulders of one Arthur B Modell- you know- the jackass who managed to bankrupt a gold mine. The turd who thought by taking Maryland's bribe he could pass the team down to his cigar chompin' kid. And spread some of that blame around to the NFL- like realistically, who deserved an expansion franchise more Baltimore, or Jacksonville? Yeah that's the same Jaguars that I'll put a C note on won't be playing in Florida 10 years hence.
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Homotron said:
Now post up the actual chick. You guys also need a picture overhaul. The same ones with the same awful photochops aren't cutting it anymore.HomoTrons new girl
I believe all the girls in pittsburgh dress like this.
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