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Is Next Year a Rebuilding Year or Contending Year?

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  • ? Copper wrote on
    #8

    Unless Holmgren whips up some voodoo magic, I doubt we will get anything more than an 8-8 record. Or we might go all "false hope 2007."

  • M MDDawg wrote on
    #9

    Rebuilding, because contending in the AFC North means 11 or more wins. Even with our weak 2011 schedule I don't think we'll get more than 9 wins and that's if the new coach doesn't blow the whole thing up like moving from 3-4 defense to 4-3 for example.

  • P pizzadeliveryguy

    We've been rebuilding for 12 years now. I don't see how firing a head coach that was starting to make the team competitive is going to change that.

    ballpeenB ballpeen wrote on
    #10

    @pizzadeliveryguy said:

    We've been rebuilding for 12 years now. I don't see how firing a head coach that was starting to make the team competitive is going to change that.

    We have been rebuilding since 1964. That is a lot longer than 12 years.

    I was a teenager in 1964. Trust me, I know.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
  • Canton MikeC Canton Mike wrote on
    #11

    I voted contending as we have plenty of needs, but also more talent that at any time since coming back. I also believe much of that talent has been under utilized & in many cases, not properly coached. Our young offensive players had NO experienced mentors, other than Colt learning from Jake. That will most certainly change & combined with more off season upgrading, I think we'll be ok.

    Mike

    IN DORSEY I TRUST
    ❤️
  • S shepwrite

    I think we're gearing up to field an NFL caliber offense for the first time since 2007 (another weak schedule) with Holmgren's WCO, McCoy, Hillis, Hardesty, Vickers, Watson, Moore, A.J. Green or Julio Jones, Breaston, Massoquoi (slot), Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Lauvao, and Womack. We'll finally have the scheme AND the personnel.

    We have some core guys for whatever defense we run: Rubin, Benard, Gocong, Fujita, Haden, Brown, Ward, and Elam. You add some youth and speed in the draft and a free agent or two, that's going to be a legit defense.

    Frankly, I think we're hitting a tipping point of talent... as in, we'll finally have enough after one more good offseason. And we'll be running a grownup offense. And McCoy will be a young veteran with a stronger arm. I think it'll all come together, along with the schedule, for a 10-win season.

    If we even play 10 games. Sigh.

    CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFSC CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS wrote on
    #12

    @shepwrite said:

    I think we're gearing up to field an NFL caliber offense for the first time since 2007 (another weak schedule) with Holmgren's WCO, McCoy, Hillis, Hardesty, Vickers, Watson, Moore, A.J. Green or Julio Jones, Breaston, Massoquoi (slot), Thomas, Steinbach, Mack, Lauvao, and Womack. We'll finally have the scheme AND the personnel.

    We have some core guys for whatever defense we run: Rubin, Benard, Gocong, Fujita, Haden, Brown, Ward, and Elam. You add some youth and speed in the draft and a free agent or two, that's going to be a legit defense.

    Frankly, I think we're hitting a tipping point of talent... as in, we'll finally have enough after one more good offseason. And we'll be running a grownup offense. And McCoy will be a young veteran with a stronger arm. I think it'll all come together, along with the schedule, for a 10-win season.

    If we even play 10 games. Sigh.

    Nice optimistic viewpoint. +5

  • S Slurp and Burp wrote on
    #13

    I am sure the Browns will win it all. I mean 6 games.

  • Bob806B Bob806 wrote on
    #14

    I think it's another rebuilding year- mostly because we aren't deep in talent, combined with a new coaching staff. Hopefully I'm wrong and we do become one of those worst to first teams, but reality says otherwise (as others pointed out, our division is brutal enough).

    We need to have a great draft, stay healthy, and learn how to win our home games vs. division rivals....then we talk contending team.

    Karlis Missed
    ❤️
  • Mr. TM Mr. T wrote on
    #15

    I hope we go into every season competing.

    Tired of the BS rebuilding 3 - 5 year plan.

    Just get the shit done. How hard is it to take a bunch of professional athletes and make them want to play?

    Head or Gut?
  • R roach wrote on
    #16

    Obviously, we need to see how the offseason unfolds.

    At this moment, any of our defensive front 7 would have find it difficult to get playing time for Baltimore or Pittsburgh (other than Fujita). That's a problem that needs to get fixed.

    sisky fringoS 1 Reply
  • Harry BuffaloH Harry Buffalo wrote on
    #17

    Any body that expects this team to go to the playoffs next year is going to be disappointed. I think we go 8-8 at best with a new coach and our only chance at the playoffs was with Mangini staying and switching offenses. It will take at least one full season for the new coach to get everything set.

    Ruining threads since 1897.
    ❤️
  • P peterbell wrote on
    #18

    They'll be a new offense and maybe a new defense and unless

    they do a major restructure of the AFC Steelers and Ravens

    are 2 pretty big enchiladas in the way..Contending..please

    This is all getting broken down again..at least 2 maybe 3 years

    from a serious run..but they would have fired the coach by this

    time...ITS LIKE F**KING GROUNDHOG DAY WITH THIS FRANCHISE

    ❤️
  • S Speedyd900rr wrote on
    #19

    Seeing as how we were in almost every game up until the 4th quarter I will go with contending. This one step forward two steps back has got to stop no matter what.

    I do know they will not be getting another free pass from me to suck since Mike fired Mangini before he made sure someone better was willing to come here. In reality it's a 50/50 shot.

  • R ReginaBrownsFan wrote on
    #20

    I took contending to mean contending for a playoff spot.

  • D DawgTracker wrote on
    #21

    If Holmgren uses the word patience one time we will know what he expects to happen.

  • C calfoxwc wrote on
    #22

    Contending, because the Browns were in every game they played, cept for the last one...

    they had some great wins over their best competition...

    all they need is some added pieces and those close losses turn into wins.

    A real aggressive OC would be a huge plus.

    The desperate to fill list is pretty short now.

    ❤️
  • ballpeenB ballpeen

    I said contending because i say screw rebuilding. Homie and Heck are here, so there is no rebuilding for them. Their clock is still ticking. No start overs as far as I am concerned.

    Other teams turn it around in a year or two.....time for us to expect the same.

    mopajiM mopaji wrote on
    #23

    @ballpeen said:

    I said contending because i say screw rebuilding. Homie and Heck are here, so there is no rebuilding for them. Their clock is still ticking. No start overs as far as I am concerned.

    Other teams turn it around in a year or two.....time for us to expect the same.

    Whenever you change coaches, you are rebuilding. Just one of the 30 reasons we should have kept Mangini. 10 more years of mediocrity instead of 1.

    "Chances are, if you think Jay Leno is funny, I don't care for you as a person" - Peter Griffin
    ❤️
  • R roach

    Obviously, we need to see how the offseason unfolds.

    At this moment, any of our defensive front 7 would have find it difficult to get playing time for Baltimore or Pittsburgh (other than Fujita). That's a problem that needs to get fixed.

    sisky fringoS sisky fringo wrote on
    #24

    @roach said:

    Obviously, we need to see how the offseason unfolds.

    At this moment, any of our defensive front 7 would have find it difficult to get playing time for Baltimore or Pittsburgh (other than Fujita). That's a problem that needs to get fixed.

    i think Rubin would get a lot of time. and a healthy and motivated Rogers would start (you probably disagree IIRC). i know what you're saying though.

  • GipsG Gips wrote on
    #25

    Changes are a comin we have a newbie as a head coach taking over for a 5 year perma-newbie in mangini, oh boy am i unimpressed with this choice..

    Mangini had loser ingrained in his very fabric, this guy has loser tattooed on his face..

    Maybe its time to truly consider going with a team that has an owner and FO that knows how to win instead of calling in favors for friends at my expense..

    We have been rebuilding since 1964, Why stop now? GO BROWNS!
  • GipsG Gips

    Changes are a comin we have a newbie as a head coach taking over for a 5 year perma-newbie in mangini, oh boy am i unimpressed with this choice..

    Mangini had loser ingrained in his very fabric, this guy has loser tattooed on his face..

    Maybe its time to truly consider going with a team that has an owner and FO that knows how to win instead of calling in favors for friends at my expense..

    Harry BuffaloH Harry Buffalo wrote on
    #26

    @gips said:

    Changes are a comin we have a newbie as a head coach taking over for a 5 year perma-newbie in mangini, oh boy am i unimpressed with this choice..

    Mangini had loser ingrained in his very fabric, this guy has loser tattooed on his face..

    Maybe its time to truly consider going with a team that has an owner and FO that knows how to win instead of calling in favors for friends at my expense..

    Then leave. All I have seen from you and half the other people on this board is negative bullshit. The guy hasn't even coached yet and you hate him.

    Ruining threads since 1897.
    chocoC SojuS 2 Replies
  • Harry BuffaloH Harry Buffalo

    @gips said:

    Changes are a comin we have a newbie as a head coach taking over for a 5 year perma-newbie in mangini, oh boy am i unimpressed with this choice..

    Mangini had loser ingrained in his very fabric, this guy has loser tattooed on his face..

    Maybe its time to truly consider going with a team that has an owner and FO that knows how to win instead of calling in favors for friends at my expense..

    Then leave. All I have seen from you and half the other people on this board is negative bullshit. The guy hasn't even coached yet and you hate him.

    chocoC choco wrote on
    #27

    Hillis-iz-Boss said:

    Then leave. All I have seen from you and half the other people on this board is negative bullshit. The guy hasn't even coached yet and you hate him.

    just what exactly is there to be positive about?

    we've been down this road before....several times. sorry if im not swimming downstream with the rest....

    at best this is a lateral move, at BEST. except that we have to retool personnel due to a change of systems....so we're back to where we were in '09....'05....'04....'01.....'99.....

    alot to be excited about....ill tell ya

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