Franchise QBs
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Admittedly I don't understand the calculation of the QB rating system.... However, in my limited knowledge of the formula it seems the QB gets a lot of credit when other factors really come into play..
Example: The QB throws a perfect pass and the receiver drops the ball, this goes against his QB rating..
The QB throws a perfect pass, it bounces off the receivers hands and is intercepted and this also goes against his QB rating...
The QB throws a wounded duck and the receiver makes a tremendous catch yet the QB gets credit for a completion which is a
positive in his QB rating...
Also, if a QB throws a 2 yard pass and the receiver takes it to the house 60 yards away the attaboys goe to the QB...
Hell, Swann & Stallworth put Bradshaw into the hall of fame... If I remember correctly, the immaculate reception that was perfectly defended went on Bradshaws stat sheet as a reception....
My point is that sometimes we make too much of this statistic when other factors have both a positive and negative affect on its calculation...
BTW, franchise QB's are not franchise QB's when they are drafted.. They earn that distinction by their play on the field and also by the play of their teammates...
Wins and losses play a big part in their legacy, just ask Archie Manning....................
Peace
T.Dawg
Admittedly I don't understand the calculation of the QB rating system.... However, in my limited knowledge of the formula it seems the QB gets a lot of credit when other factors really come into play..
Example: The QB throws a perfect pass and the receiver drops the ball, this goes against his QB rating..
The QB throws a perfect pass, it bounces off the receivers hands and is intercepted and this also goes against his QB rating...
The QB throws a wounded duck and the receiver makes a tremendous catch yet the QB gets credit for a completion which is a
positive in his QB rating...
Also, if a QB throws a 2 yard pass and the receiver takes it to the house 60 yards away the attaboys goe to the QB...
Hell, Swann & Stallworth put Bradshaw into the hall of fame... If I remember correctly, the immaculate reception that was perfectly defended went on Bradshaws stat sheet as a reception....
My point is that sometimes we make too much of this statistic when other factors have both a positive and negative affect on its calculation...
BTW, franchise QB's are not franchise QB's when they are drafted.. They earn that distinction by their play on the field and also by the play of their teammates...
Wins and losses play a big part in their legacy, just ask Archie Manning....................
Peace
T.Dawg
Yes, just think, if the Steelers has take Mike Phipps instead of Bradshaw with the #1 pick (Browns took Phipps with #3) it may have been Mike Phipps who was the hero of the Steelers Dynasty....ya think?
Nevertheless you are correct. Here is the list of the Top 20 in career Passer Rating:
1. Aaron Rodgers (27) 98.4 2005-2010 gnb
2. Philip Rivers (29) 97.2 2004-2010 sdg
3. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
4. Tony Romo (30) 95.5 2004-2010 dal
5. Tom Brady (33) 95.2 2000-2010 nwe
6. Peyton Manning (34) 94.9 1998-2010 clt
7. Kurt Warner 93.7 1998-2009 3TM
8. Ben Roethlisberger (28) 92.5 2004-2010 pit
9. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
10. Drew Brees (31) 91.7 2001-2010 2TM
11. Matt Schaub (29) 91.5 2004-2010 2TM
12. Chad Pennington (34) 90.1 2000-2010 2TM
13. Joe Flacco (25) 87.9 2008-2010 rav
14. Daunte Culpepper 87.8 1999-2009 4TM
15. Jeff Garcia 87.5 1999-2009 5TM
16. Carson Palmer (31) 86.9 2004-2010 cin
Matt Ryan (25) 86.9 2008-2010 atl
18. Otto Graham+ 86.6 1946-1955 cle
19. Dan Marino+ 86.4 1983-1999 mia
20. Brett Favre (41) 86.0 1991-2010 4TM
Trent Green 86.0 1997-2008 4TM
22. David Garrard (32) 85.8 2002-2010 jax
23. Donovan McNabb (34) 85.7 1999-2010 2TM
24. Rich Gannon 84.7 1987-2004 4TM
Do you really think these are the greatest 20 QB in football history? Over half are still active.
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let me see ben, sanchize or anyone else come onto with such lackluster OL play, no offensive weapons and a defense which couldn't stop a bloody nose (yeah i stole it). and NO i'm not talkin' about this uear's browns (even though at times we could say that) but how about tim couch's career? think ben or sanchez could have survived that pounding.
they both were handed thereigns of a good if not great team.
let me see ben, sanchize or anyone else come onto with such lackluster OL play, no offensive weapons and a defense which couldn't stop a bloody nose (yeah i stole it). and NO i'm not talkin' about this uear's browns (even though at times we could say that) but how about tim couch's career? think ben or sanchez could have survived that pounding.
they both were handed thereigns of a good if not great team.
I 100% believe that Ben would have made the Browns a better team. He'd at least keep defenses honest because of his mobility in the pocket, his gamer nature and your offensive line is two first round picks, a solid FA acquisition and 2 other marginal guys. I'd love to have Joe Thomas in a Steeler uniform.
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let me see ben, sanchize or anyone else come onto with such lackluster OL play, no offensive weapons and a defense which couldn't stop a bloody nose (yeah i stole it). and NO i'm not talkin' about this uear's browns (even though at times we could say that) but how about tim couch's career? think ben or sanchez could have survived that pounding.
they both were handed thereigns of a good if not great team.
I 100% believe that Ben would have made the Browns a better team. He'd at least keep defenses honest because of his mobility in the pocket, his gamer nature and your offensive line is two first round picks, a solid FA acquisition and 2 other marginal guys. I'd love to have Joe Thomas in a Steeler uniform.
Homotron said:
I 100% believe that Ben would have made the Browns a better team. He'd at least keep defenses honest because of his mobility in the pocket, his gamer nature and your offensive line is two first round picks, a solid FA acquisition and 2 other marginal guys. I'd love to have Joe Thomas in a Steeler uniform.dont ever say that! blasphamy!
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Homotron said:
I 100% believe that Ben would have made the Browns a better team. He'd at least keep defenses honest because of his mobility in the pocket, his gamer nature and your offensive line is two first round picks, a solid FA acquisition and 2 other marginal guys. I'd love to have Joe Thomas in a Steeler uniform.dont ever say that! blasphamy!
dont ever say that! blasphamy!
We don't go after that kind of free agent so you won't have anything to worry about.
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Jim Kelly, Boomer Esiesen, Dan Fouts, Johnny Unitis, Bernie Kosar, Archie Manning, Y.A.Tittle, Sammy Baugh, Bill Nelson, Jim Plunkett, Bobby Lane, Ken Anderson, Troy Aikman, Roger Staubach... Too bad these QB's didn't have higher QB ratings then they would have been considered "Franchise Quarterbacks".....LOL
IMO Bathroom Ben is over rated, in that, it's all because of him that the Steelers are winners.... In Pittspuke it's the system. Ben might make it easier but they would be just as successful without him....
Peace
T.Dawg
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Homotron said:
We don't go after that kind of free agent so you won't have anything to worry about.What, a free agent that hasn't raped someone or ripped a hand dryer from the wall? That's right, you guys only take players that hit hardest AFTER the whistle blows.
I kid, you left that one wide open.
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Jim Kelly, Boomer Esiesen, Dan Fouts, Johnny Unitis, Bernie Kosar, Archie Manning, Y.A.Tittle, Sammy Baugh, Bill Nelson, Jim Plunkett, Bobby Lane, Ken Anderson, Troy Aikman, Roger Staubach... Too bad these QB's didn't have higher QB ratings then they would have been considered "Franchise Quarterbacks".....LOL
IMO Bathroom Ben is over rated, in that, it's all because of him that the Steelers are winners.... In Pittspuke it's the system. Ben might make it easier but they would be just as successful without him....
Peace
T.Dawg
IMO Bathroom Ben is over rated, in that, it's all because of him that the Steelers are winners.... In Pittspuke it's the system. Ben might make it easier but they would be just as successful without him....
No way. BR is a gamer. He can get yards with his legs, is accurate, throws a good deep ball, and reads defenses very well. If anything he may be underrated. I've tried to knock him but he just keeps making plays.
Now, the folks that are claiming that Sanchez is elite. Now those are the guys with the good stuff. There are 20 QBs in the NFL that I would rather have than Sanchez.
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IMO Bathroom Ben is over rated, in that, it's all because of him that the Steelers are winners.... In Pittspuke it's the system. Ben might make it easier but they would be just as successful without him....
No way. BR is a gamer. He can get yards with his legs, is accurate, throws a good deep ball, and reads defenses very well. If anything he may be underrated. I've tried to knock him but he just keeps making plays.
Now, the folks that are claiming that Sanchez is elite. Now those are the guys with the good stuff. There are 20 QBs in the NFL that I would rather have than Sanchez.
No way. BR is a gamer. He can get yards with his legs, is accurate, throws a good deep ball, and reads defenses very well. If anything he may be underrated. I've tried to knock him but he just keeps making plays.
Now, the folks that are claiming that Sanchez is elite. Now those are the guys with the good stuff. There are 20 QBs in the NFL that I would rather have than Sanchez.
Thank you and you are absolutely correct outside of the "looking for things to critique" which I obviously don't do. If the doubters would do some statistical research they'd see that Ben is near the top in a lot of key categories specifically Yards per attempt which for the biggest stat guys is one of if not the most important stat for a QB. He's a beast and that's the bottom line. His style allows for more sacks and possibly more injury but there is no other QB in the league that improvises in the manner that he does and the man gets it DONE. His style is completely unique in the NFL and the only other QB that plays with similar style is also still in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers. Only he's not 6'5, 240 and damn hard to bring down.
Ben is elite. End of story.
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
LMAO. GREAT POST!Sanchez reminds of a Bradshaw kind of guy, The playoffs may very well bring out the greatness in him. Dude, his passing gave Bill Belichik the red ass. The PAt's defense couldn't catch up with the kid.
The Pats defense also isn't very good. It sure as hell isn't the Pittsburgh defense, not even close.
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Colt McCoy was a 3rd round draft pick, if he turns out to a QB half as good as Brady you have a steal. If you draft a QB in the first round, keeping McCoy as a project/back-up is not going to kill you. Jake Delhomme ain't exactly a keeper and what has Wallace shown you? You guys held on to Brady Quinn too long. There were rumours (and I'll grant you it was by no means a definate thing) that you could've good fairly good compensation in a Quinn trade (i.e. late 1st or 2nd rounder) before you ruined it and actually put him into the game. I'm sure you could probably trade Colt McCoy for at worst a 4th round pick.
I'm not sold that Andrew Luck is staying in school, at least until he is a no-show at the combine. I'm sure there are agents trying to convince him right now that he's making a terrible mistake. This could be the last year without a rookie salary scale, and he is likely throwing away over $40M in guaranteed money. I also believe the Panthers would trade out of the top spot for the right deal, and with your 6th position overall, you are not that far away. My guess is Rivera (being of the defensive mindset) will want to improve defense first and he can probably still get his guy at a lower spot and pay less for him by trading out. If Luck goes into the draft, the 49'ers will definately be the team with the most apparent interest in him.
Further, I don't think your defense is that far off. You've showed flashes this year of being an elite team defensively, which really surprised me that let Ryan get away. I'd bet that the Browns are one or two players away from where you need to be (to be at least a top 10 defense). Offensively, you still need some work, but you are putting together what seems to be a solid offensive line, Hillis just needs a complementary back and 1 or 2 wideouts. If you draft a QB this year that puts you maybe 2-3 years from contention.
I suggested earlier that you guys needed Cowher (as it would really refuel the rivalry between our two cities), but more importantly, Cowher could've gotten you wins without the franchise QB. He got the Steelers to the AFC championship with Kordell Stewart, excuse me Kordell FREAKING Stewart. Name me one other coach in the history of this league who could've accomplished that feat. Brian Billick probably is the closest to Cowher in that feat (winning w/out a QB), but he could only do it once.
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Colt McCoy was a 3rd round draft pick, if he turns out to a QB half as good as Brady you have a steal. If you draft a QB in the first round, keeping McCoy as a project/back-up is not going to kill you. Jake Delhomme ain't exactly a keeper and what has Wallace shown you? You guys held on to Brady Quinn too long. There were rumours (and I'll grant you it was by no means a definate thing) that you could've good fairly good compensation in a Quinn trade (i.e. late 1st or 2nd rounder) before you ruined it and actually put him into the game. I'm sure you could probably trade Colt McCoy for at worst a 4th round pick.
I'm not sold that Andrew Luck is staying in school, at least until he is a no-show at the combine. I'm sure there are agents trying to convince him right now that he's making a terrible mistake. This could be the last year without a rookie salary scale, and he is likely throwing away over $40M in guaranteed money. I also believe the Panthers would trade out of the top spot for the right deal, and with your 6th position overall, you are not that far away. My guess is Rivera (being of the defensive mindset) will want to improve defense first and he can probably still get his guy at a lower spot and pay less for him by trading out. If Luck goes into the draft, the 49'ers will definately be the team with the most apparent interest in him.
Further, I don't think your defense is that far off. You've showed flashes this year of being an elite team defensively, which really surprised me that let Ryan get away. I'd bet that the Browns are one or two players away from where you need to be (to be at least a top 10 defense). Offensively, you still need some work, but you are putting together what seems to be a solid offensive line, Hillis just needs a complementary back and 1 or 2 wideouts. If you draft a QB this year that puts you maybe 2-3 years from contention.
I suggested earlier that you guys needed Cowher (as it would really refuel the rivalry between our two cities), but more importantly, Cowher could've gotten you wins without the franchise QB. He got the Steelers to the AFC championship with Kordell Stewart, excuse me Kordell FREAKING Stewart. Name me one other coach in the history of this league who could've accomplished that feat. Brian Billick probably is the closest to Cowher in that feat (winning w/out a QB), but he could only do it once.
Endymion said:
Colt McCoy was a 3rd round draft pick, if he turns out to a QB half as good as Brady you have a steal. If you draft a QB in the first round, keeping McCoy as a project/back-up is not going to kill you. You guys held on to Brady Quinn too long. There were rumours (and I'll grant you it was by no means a definate thing) that you could've good fairly good compensation in a Quinn trade (i.e. late 1st or 2nd rounder) before you ruined it and actually put him into the game. I'm sure you could probably trade Colt McCoy for at worst a 4th round pick.I'm not sold that Andrew Luck is staying in school, at least until he is a no-show at the combine. I'm sure there are agents trying to convince him right now that he's making a terrible mistake. This could be the last year without a rookie salary scale, and he is likely throwing away over $40M in guaranteed money. I also believe the Panthers would trade out of the top spot for the right deal, and with your 6th position overall, you are not that far away. My guess is Rivera (being of the defensive mindset) will want to improve defense first and he can probably still get his guy at a lower spot and pay less for him by trading out. If Luck goes into the draft, the 49'ers will definately be the team with the most apparent interest in him.
Further, I don't think your defense is that far off. You showed flashes this year of being an elite team defensively. That tells me you are one-two players away from where you need to be. Offensively, you still need some work, but you are putting together what seems to be a solide offensive line, Hillis just needs a complementary back and 1 or 2 wideouts. If you draft a QB this year that puts you maybe 2-3 years from contention.
I suggested earlier that you guys needed Cowher (as it would really refuel the rivalry between our two cities), but more importantly, Cowher can get you wins without the franchise QB. He got the Steelers to the AFC championship with Kordell Stewart, excuse me Kordell FREAKING Stewart. Name me one other coach in the history of this league who could've accomplished that feat. Brian Billick probably is the closest to Cowher in that feat (winning w/out a QB), but he could only do it once.
You act like Kordell Stewart was/is a bum. Kordell Stewart was one of the most athletically gifted players in the NFL during that time and the minute he started screwing up on the field the city turned on him. Pittsburgh does expect a degree of excellence. Add in the gay rumors that surfaced and it quickly became a nightmare scenario whether it was right or wrong. Bill Cowher will also never Coach the Cleveland Browns. He's said exactly that in the media. He said as long as the Rooney's are owners of the Pittsburgh Steelers he'll never coach a team in the AFC North.
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A gifted athlete and a QB are two different things. Kordell would've been an excellent wide-out but he insisted on playing QB. He might've even been talked about as being HOF worthy had he switched positions. Whether or not Kordell was gay really has no impact on whether or not he could QB. Neil O'Donnell was light years ahead of Kordell in terms of understanding the QB position.
I understand the logistics of acquiring Cowher are not easy, but by no means do I believe they are insurmountable. If Cleveland really wanted him, it could've been done. Cowher would've had to have been the highest paid coach in history. I also think at the end of the day, the Rooney's would give there blessing if he discussed it with them, as it would've refueled the rivalry, and the Rooney's will encourage things that are good for the league as a whole. There's also the matter of Holmgren and I don't think those two could ever work together after Super Bowl XL. Anyways, Cowher is really irrelevant to the original discussion of QBs, other than he's a coach who can win without one, and probably the best coach in the history of the league at doing so.
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No way. BR is a gamer. He can get yards with his legs, is accurate, throws a good deep ball, and reads defenses very well. If anything he may be underrated. I've tried to knock him but he just keeps making plays.
Now, the folks that are claiming that Sanchez is elite. Now those are the guys with the good stuff. There are 20 QBs in the NFL that I would rather have than Sanchez.
Thank you and you are absolutely correct outside of the "looking for things to critique" which I obviously don't do. If the doubters would do some statistical research they'd see that Ben is near the top in a lot of key categories specifically Yards per attempt which for the biggest stat guys is one of if not the most important stat for a QB. He's a beast and that's the bottom line. His style allows for more sacks and possibly more injury but there is no other QB in the league that improvises in the manner that he does and the man gets it DONE. His style is completely unique in the NFL and the only other QB that plays with similar style is also still in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers. Only he's not 6'5, 240 and damn hard to bring down.
Ben is elite. End of story.
Homotron said:
Thank you and you are absolutely correct outside of the "looking for things to critique" which I obviously don't do. If the doubters would do some statistical research they'd see that Ben is near the top in a lot of key categories specifically Yards per attempt which for the biggest stat guys is one of if not the most important stat for a QB. He's a beast and that's the bottom line. His style allows for more sacks and possibly more injury but there is no other QB in the league that improvises in the manner that he does and the man gets it DONE. His style is completely unique in the NFL and the only other QB that plays with similar style is also still in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers. Only he's not 6'5, 240 and damn hard to bring down.Ben is elite. End of story.
No doubt pig ben views himself as an elitist..most sociopathic rapists do.
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Formerly Sane said:
I'm callin BS on this one!If Hitler and Charles Manson could make a winner in Cleveland you would love them. Not to mention, if Ben played in Cleveland you wouldn't have such an irrational feeling about him, you wouldn't be assuming his guilt based on zero evidence.
Now that Favre guy?......he's a real sleaze ball!
You can call bs all you want.. obviously we have different views on who we want our role models to be.
I do like the comparison you made though with bigben, hitler and charles manson....
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Formerly Sane said:
The point is that Browns fans convict Ben because he is a Steeler, the immortal Jim Brown is one of the biggest scumbags ever to play football and he is a hero in Cleveland. Shaun Rogers is a criminal but you all love him. If you wore the rose colored glass for Ben the way to do a Browns player, Ben should sue the world for the horrible injustice!Again, jim brown is not my hero.. great running back but a dueche..
Where dd I ever say I loved rogers?
Bigben, great qb, but like arod, people love to hate him.. do I hate him more that he plays for the steelers? Absolutely!
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Endymion said:
Colt McCoy was a 3rd round draft pick, if he turns out to a QB half as good as Brady you have a steal. If you draft a QB in the first round, keeping McCoy as a project/back-up is not going to kill you. You guys held on to Brady Quinn too long. There were rumours (and I'll grant you it was by no means a definate thing) that you could've good fairly good compensation in a Quinn trade (i.e. late 1st or 2nd rounder) before you ruined it and actually put him into the game. I'm sure you could probably trade Colt McCoy for at worst a 4th round pick.I'm not sold that Andrew Luck is staying in school, at least until he is a no-show at the combine. I'm sure there are agents trying to convince him right now that he's making a terrible mistake. This could be the last year without a rookie salary scale, and he is likely throwing away over $40M in guaranteed money. I also believe the Panthers would trade out of the top spot for the right deal, and with your 6th position overall, you are not that far away. My guess is Rivera (being of the defensive mindset) will want to improve defense first and he can probably still get his guy at a lower spot and pay less for him by trading out. If Luck goes into the draft, the 49'ers will definately be the team with the most apparent interest in him.
Further, I don't think your defense is that far off. You showed flashes this year of being an elite team defensively. That tells me you are one-two players away from where you need to be. Offensively, you still need some work, but you are putting together what seems to be a solide offensive line, Hillis just needs a complementary back and 1 or 2 wideouts. If you draft a QB this year that puts you maybe 2-3 years from contention.
I suggested earlier that you guys needed Cowher (as it would really refuel the rivalry between our two cities), but more importantly, Cowher can get you wins without the franchise QB. He got the Steelers to the AFC championship with Kordell Stewart, excuse me Kordell FREAKING Stewart. Name me one other coach in the history of this league who could've accomplished that feat. Brian Billick probably is the closest to Cowher in that feat (winning w/out a QB), but he could only do it once.
You act like Kordell Stewart was/is a bum. Kordell Stewart was one of the most athletically gifted players in the NFL during that time and the minute he started screwing up on the field the city turned on him. Pittsburgh does expect a degree of excellence. Add in the gay rumors that surfaced and it quickly became a nightmare scenario whether it was right or wrong. Bill Cowher will also never Coach the Cleveland Browns. He's said exactly that in the media. He said as long as the Rooney's are owners of the Pittsburgh Steelers he'll never coach a team in the AFC North.
Homotron said:
You act like Kordell Stewart was/is a bum. Kordell Stewart was one of the most athletically gifted players in the NFL during that time and the minute he started screwing up on the field the city turned on him. Pittsburgh does expect a degree of excellence. Add in the gay rumors that surfaced and it quickly became a nightmare scenario whether it was right or wrong. Bill Cowher will also never Coach the Cleveland Browns. He's said exactly that in the media. He said as long as the Rooney's are owners of the Pittsburgh Steelers he'll never coach a team in the AFC North.The problem for Kordell Stewart was Cowher tried to make him a pocket passer it seemed...So due to Cowhers conservative nature he was doomed...Some guys are just better on the run...By the same token...Scrambling on every down is a dangerouse way to live....Had Cowher not tried to tinker with him...I think he wouldve gone alot farther.
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Sane--- a Steeler troll with 1535 posts on a Browns wesite, now thats really DUMB (you worthless piece of crap)
T.Dawg
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When the Steelers passed on Dan Marino back in '83, the Chief was upset with his son Dan. Dan Rooney reasoned he already had a good QB lineup and focused on defense, taking the very forgettable Gabriel Rivera. The Steelers languished in obscurity for the remainder of the decade, but their fortunes would have been very different with Marino.
The Browns have passed on 2 QBs now that would've had a profound impact on the fortunes of your team and both are playing in this week's AFC Championship game. In 2009, you punted your #5 overall pick for Mark Sanchez to the Jets for Alex Mack. It's probably too early to tell how good the Alex Mack pick may or may not have been. Based upon the current makeup of your team, I doubt Mark Sanchez would've blossomed so quickly with the Browns. However, Mark Sanchez is now one game away from being talked about as one of the best QBs in the game. Kinda the real kicker, is that Sanchez is turning another one of your #1 draft picks (Braylon Edwards) into an elite reciever.
In 2004, you passed on Ben Roethlisberger (cause you had Kelly Holcomb, really?) for Kellen Winslow. Ben probably wouldn't have had the degree of success he has had with the Steelers, but the Browns would've been playoff contenders since.
So now we look at Colt McCoy. At times he looked like he has the potential to be more than a position warmer. Does he have the potential to turn the fortunes of your franchise around, or will you pass on another future star at that position under similar reasoning to that which Dan Rooney used in 1983? Cam Newton may be available to you this year, especially if Andrew Luck changes his mind. So how do you feel about your QB position?
Endymion said:
So now we look at Colt McCoy. At times he looked like he has the potential to be more than a position warmer. Does he have the potential to turn the fortunes of your franchise around, or will you pass on another future star at that position under similar reasoning to that which Dan Rooney used in 1983? Cam Newton may be available to you this year, especially if Andrew Luck changes his mind. So how do you feel about your QB position?Passing on Ben was ok considering who we drafted. KW2 was a great player and if not for his motorcycle accident would have been a cornerstone for the Browns. Unfortunately we did not have the advantage of hind sight. Passing on Sanchez was logical considering we had a good armed Anderson and a "hot prospect" in Brady Quinn. How was Mangini to know either of them would be bad ? He did what was right. He traded down to get a top center which was a need. Now we have one less need.
We feel comfortable with colt being our starter and Luck being in college for another year :-).
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Endymion said:
So now we look at Colt McCoy. At times he looked like he has the potential to be more than a position warmer. Does he have the potential to turn the fortunes of your franchise around, or will you pass on another future star at that position under similar reasoning to that which Dan Rooney used in 1983? Cam Newton may be available to you this year, especially if Andrew Luck changes his mind. So how do you feel about your QB position?Passing on Ben was ok considering who we drafted. KW2 was a great player and if not for his motorcycle accident would have been a cornerstone for the Browns. Unfortunately we did not have the advantage of hind sight. Passing on Sanchez was logical considering we had a good armed Anderson and a "hot prospect" in Brady Quinn. How was Mangini to know either of them would be bad ? He did what was right. He traded down to get a top center which was a need. Now we have one less need.
We feel comfortable with colt being our starter and Luck being in college for another year :-).
Passing on Ben was ok considering who we drafted. KW2 was a great player and if not for his motorcycle accident would have been a cornerstone for the Browns. Unfortunately we did not have the advantage of hind sight. Passing on Sanchez was logical considering we had a good armed Anderson and a "hot prospect" in Brady Quinn. How was Mangini to know either of them would be bad ? He did what was right. He traded down to get a top center which was a need. Now we have one less need.
We feel comfortable with colt being our starter and Luck being in college for another year :-).
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