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  • S Squintz

    So it's all about continuity then?

    Then why hasn't the Brown family and Marvin Lewis won multiple championships?

    Continuity only works when you have the RIGHT FRONT OFFICE staff in place.

    Everything else then falls into place.

    We can only hope Holmgren is still here 15 years from now.

    @squintz said:

    So it's all about continuity then?

    Then why hasn't the Brown family and Marvin Lewis won multiple championships?

    Continuity only works when you have the RIGHT FRONT OFFICE staff in place.

    Everything else then falls into place.

    We can only hope Holmgren is still here 15 years from now.

    Good point about the Bengals - and I'll tell you why. Because Mike Brown is the Owner AND General Manager- and unfortunately Mikey didn't inherit his dad's football smarts. The owner\GM thing can occasionally work- it did for Al Davis until he went senile, and Jerry Jones.

    Other factors in the Bengals screwed up front office is he hired all his kids and relatives to key positions- whether they were qualified or not. Add in the guy really doesn't have the money to run with the Big Boys in the NFL anymore. Has the smallest scouting staff in the NFL, and is the only northern NFL team that doesn't have an indoor field to train under. Any wonder Carson Palmer wants out?

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  • S Squintz

    So it's all about continuity then?

    Then why hasn't the Brown family and Marvin Lewis won multiple championships?

    Continuity only works when you have the RIGHT FRONT OFFICE staff in place.

    Everything else then falls into place.

    We can only hope Holmgren is still here 15 years from now.

    @squintz said:

    So it's all about continuity then?

    Then why hasn't the Brown family and Marvin Lewis won multiple championships?

    Continuity only works when you have the RIGHT FRONT OFFICE staff in place.

    Everything else then falls into place.

    We can only hope Holmgren is still here 15 years from now.

    Holmgren has proven nothing as an executive yet. When he won as a coach he had a ton of great players, probably several tons. You don't win with average players which was our problem last year and Holmgren knew it was an impossible situation. If Heckert brings us several tons of good players we will probably look a lot better.

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  • The article quoted in the original post of this thread is not a news flash to me by any stretch of the imagination.

    And there is no question that the Browns have been an ADD organization. As much in their front office personell as their coaches. We know all about the coaches we have had the last 5 years: Palmer, Davis, Crennell, Mangini, now Shurmur. But I think we have had more GMs than we have had HCs. Dwight Clark, Davis served as his own GM for a while, Savage, Mangini also got thrown into being his own GM, now Heckert and Holmgren, plus it seems like I am missing someone.

    So, yes, the whole structure of the organization needs stability. Can we now maybe keep Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmur in place for a few years?

  • @junkyard-dawg said:

    You missed Kokinis.

    Right. Thanks. It has been such a revolving door we can't keep track.

  • decent article. i agree with it and love it or hate it 2 years from now: let the continuity begin if at all merited. i'm all in. even if it takes a somber 4 years of climbing mediocrity to yield a decade of success (and beyond) there's no question. i think we'd all do it, but sooner rather than later for Pete's sake.

    the last coach was expected to win with a rookie QB, let's see how this next guy can do in his 1st year with a potential future starter in place fast-forwarded to year 2. 😁

    or they will see him through, learn if he's not the guy (hopefully controversy free) over the course of an entire season as he gets all the reps with Sunday players...and feel confident about his future or content with turning the corner.

    still a great scenario for a HC heading into year two, either your guy of the future has one year exp in your system or you know emphatically your focus is on finding that guy for now and for the future.

    all the while Heckert is adding, subtracting, and otherwise attempting to stack your deck of players in your prescribed mold. i feel like Fonzie could be our HC and due to Heckert our talent is just going to continue to grow regardless, it's only a matter of which direction. for Fonzie, it would probably be nutball LB's and DLineman...which would be OK w me actually.

    Mike may have let EM run it "his way" temporarily but i have serious doubts there was as much "support" as there could have been by a former coach of his stature. in hindsight there wasn't a single thing MH got credit for that Eric and Tom H. couldn't have done themselves, definitely including Wallace and Delholme.

    so, i'm completely ready to see what MH brings to the Browns (cuz it sure wasn't accountability for his influence) and eager to see an organization in harmony from top to bottom, with copius amounts of past success and a slowly but surely growing roster of talent.

    no more excuses.

  • So to follow the Squeeler blueprint all they need to do is hire Dr. Richard Rydze.

    :neutral_face:
  • S Squintz

    So it's all about continuity then?

    Then why hasn't the Brown family and Marvin Lewis won multiple championships?

    Continuity only works when you have the RIGHT FRONT OFFICE staff in place.

    Everything else then falls into place.

    We can only hope Holmgren is still here 15 years from now.

    @squintz said:

    So it's all about continuity then?

    Then why hasn't the Brown family and Marvin Lewis won multiple championships?

    because lewis sucks.

    Continuity only works when you have the RIGHT FRONT OFFICE staff in place.

    bullshit. try having the right GM that knows how to draft talented players that stay on your team for more than 2 years and not firing a coach in two years when you need five years.

    We can only hope Holmgren is still here 15 years from now.

    you mean heckert. only thing holmgren has proven is that he can suck down a 12 pack of donuts with a gallon of eggnog on the side.

  • Yeah i have alot more Faith in Heckert then ive had in anyone else thats been here for awhile, talent wins in this league so if we keep drafting smart then i dont care who coaches or how we get it done...The peices will be there

  • Yet the success of the franchise strictly hinges on Dick Lebeau according to Gipper. I was behind the "keep mangini" train last month because maintaining that continuity is paramount. Holmgren went a different direction and purposely brought in guys he's familiar with to some capacity. It could be the start of the mentioned continuity. Either way the article highlights EXACTLY why there isn't a Steeler demise in sight and why the Steelers are a model franchise. Love it or hate it, those are the facts.

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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    Yet the success of the franchise strictly hinges on Dick Lebeau according to Gipper. I was behind the "keep mangini" train last month because maintaining that continuity is paramount. Holmgren went a different direction and purposely brought in guys he's familiar with to some capacity. It could be the start of the mentioned continuity. Either way the article highlights EXACTLY why there isn't a Steeler demise in sight and why the Steelers are a model franchise. Love it or hate it, those are the facts.

    Homotron said:

    Yet the success of the franchise strictly hinges on Dick Lebeau according to Gipper. I was behind the "keep mangini" train last month because maintaining that continuity is paramount. Holmgren went a different direction and purposely brought in guys he's familiar with to some capacity. It could be the start of the mentioned continuity. Either way the article highlights EXACTLY why there isn't a Steeler demise in sight and why the Steelers are a model franchise. Love it or hate it, those are the facts.

    Here is a fact: The Steelers have not made a Super Bowl in which Dick LeBeau was not their Defensive Coordinator since the 1979 season.

    Are they well organized and stable under Dan Rooney's ownership? No doubt. But the above fact remains a fact.

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  • Yeah Dick LeBeau is the Bread and Butter for Pitt, once hes gone they better find a pretty good replacement because theres no better...Plus if my memory serves me correct he was a Buckeye wasnt he

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    Homotron said:

    Yet the success of the franchise strictly hinges on Dick Lebeau according to Gipper. I was behind the "keep mangini" train last month because maintaining that continuity is paramount. Holmgren went a different direction and purposely brought in guys he's familiar with to some capacity. It could be the start of the mentioned continuity. Either way the article highlights EXACTLY why there isn't a Steeler demise in sight and why the Steelers are a model franchise. Love it or hate it, those are the facts.

    Here is a fact: The Steelers have not made a Super Bowl in which Dick LeBeau was not their Defensive Coordinator since the 1979 season.

    Are they well organized and stable under Dan Rooney's ownership? No doubt. But the above fact remains a fact.

    @the-gipper said:

    Here is a fact: The Steelers have not made a Super Bowl in which Dick LeBeau was not their Defensive Coordinator since the 1979 season.

    Are they well organized and stable under Dan Rooney's ownership? No doubt. But the above fact remains a fact

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    All of which is ridiculously short sighted. Mike Tomlin is a GREAT, GREAT Coach, easily in the top 5 and I'd argue the top 2. Dick Lebeau is tremendous but he's not the only reason for the success the Franchise has had since his return. As far as a replacement is concerned we have one on the team already in Keith Butler. He's turned down a few jobs elsewhere to stay with the Steelers because the job has been "promised to him" after Lebeau retires. Tomlin is also a hell of a defensive mind in his own right. I'll wait for the "when Lebeau retires the Steelers are done threads" to crop up soon.

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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @the-gipper said:

    Here is a fact: The Steelers have not made a Super Bowl in which Dick LeBeau was not their Defensive Coordinator since the 1979 season.

    Are they well organized and stable under Dan Rooney's ownership? No doubt. But the above fact remains a fact

    .

    All of which is ridiculously short sighted. Mike Tomlin is a GREAT, GREAT Coach, easily in the top 5 and I'd argue the top 2. Dick Lebeau is tremendous but he's not the only reason for the success the Franchise has had since his return. As far as a replacement is concerned we have one on the team already in Keith Butler. He's turned down a few jobs elsewhere to stay with the Steelers because the job has been "promised to him" after Lebeau retires. Tomlin is also a hell of a defensive mind in his own right. I'll wait for the "when Lebeau retires the Steelers are done threads" to crop up soon.

    Homotron said:

    All of which is ridiculously short sighted. Mike Tomlin is a GREAT, GREAT Coach, easily in the top 5 and I'd argue the top 2.

    now that's funny! 😆

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    Homotron said:

    All of which is ridiculously short sighted. Mike Tomlin is a GREAT, GREAT Coach, easily in the top 5 and I'd argue the top 2.

    now that's funny! 😆

    @miktoxic said:

    now that's funny! 😆

    Prove otherwise. Seriously outside of the Hoodie what Coach has been better? He's 100% in the top 5 and that much is unarguable. He dealt with the Ben suspension, all the off season drama, several key injuries AND followed a Hall of Fame Coach. He's going to now his second Super Bowl and the team hasn't missed a beat. He commands the locker room, commands the media and his players respect him. He kept what worked and made the rest his own. He's also had 4 solid drafts. I'd really like for you to make a argument otherwise or just do some digging of your own and read several of the major media rags saying the same damn thing. Tomlin is a damn good Coach. Period and top 5, arguably top 2 in the league. Seriously prove otherwise. I'll wait.

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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    @miktoxic said:

    now that's funny! 😆

    Prove otherwise. Seriously outside of the Hoodie what Coach has been better? He's 100% in the top 5 and that much is unarguable. He dealt with the Ben suspension, all the off season drama, several key injuries AND followed a Hall of Fame Coach. He's going to now his second Super Bowl and the team hasn't missed a beat. He commands the locker room, commands the media and his players respect him. He kept what worked and made the rest his own. He's also had 4 solid drafts. I'd really like for you to make a argument otherwise or just do some digging of your own and read several of the major media rags saying the same damn thing. Tomlin is a damn good Coach. Period and top 5, arguably top 2 in the league. Seriously prove otherwise. I'll wait.

    Homotron said:

    Prove otherwise. Seriously outside of the Hoodie what Coach has been better? He's 100% in the top 5 and that much is unarguable. He dealt with the Ben suspension, all the off season drama, several key injuries AND followed a Hall of Fame Coach. He's going to now his second Super Bowl and the team hasn't missed a beat. He commands the locker room, commands the media and his players respect him. He kept what worked and made the rest his own. He's also had 4 solid drafts. I'd really like for you to make a argument otherwise or just do some digging of your own and read several of the major media rags saying the same damn thing. Tomlin is a damn good Coach. Period and top 5, arguably top 2 in the league. Seriously prove otherwise. I'll wait.

    Here's one. Read up.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...tory?id=6083284

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  • VagitronV Vagitron

    Homotron said:

    Prove otherwise. Seriously outside of the Hoodie what Coach has been better? He's 100% in the top 5 and that much is unarguable. He dealt with the Ben suspension, all the off season drama, several key injuries AND followed a Hall of Fame Coach. He's going to now his second Super Bowl and the team hasn't missed a beat. He commands the locker room, commands the media and his players respect him. He kept what worked and made the rest his own. He's also had 4 solid drafts. I'd really like for you to make a argument otherwise or just do some digging of your own and read several of the major media rags saying the same damn thing. Tomlin is a damn good Coach. Period and top 5, arguably top 2 in the league. Seriously prove otherwise. I'll wait.

    Here's one. Read up.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...tory?id=6083284

    Homotron said:

    Here's one. Read up.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...tory?id=6083284

    i only got about two paragraphs into the article before i had to rush into the bathroom and lose the contents of my stomach. wow, i didn't no a reporter get his/her head up someone's ass as merrill has done with tomlin. puke!

    although i'd much rather have a tomlin than a shurmer.

  • miktoxicM miktoxic

    Homotron said:

    Here's one. Read up.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...tory?id=6083284

    i only got about two paragraphs into the article before i had to rush into the bathroom and lose the contents of my stomach. wow, i didn't no a reporter get his/her head up someone's ass as merrill has done with tomlin. puke!

    although i'd much rather have a tomlin than a shurmer.

    @miktoxic said:

    i only got about two paragraphs into the article before i had to rush into the bathroom and lose the contents of my stomach. wow, i didn't no a reporter get his/her head up someone's ass as merrill has done with tomlin. puke!

    although i'd much rather have a tomlin than a shurmer.

    🙄

    Tomlin is a top 5 Coach in the NFL. Attempt to argue otherwise and the article is actually pretty interesting Steeler fan or not.

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