Camp Concerns?
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Been hearing Sheard is getting DESTROYED by JT in practice. Not the regular kind of whooping but utterly taken behind the wood shed and left for dead kind of whooping.
Now I get why they want him up against the best because in theory it should make him better. However at some point you have to think maybe your going to break him down mentally and cause him to question his abilities. I get it he needs to get better but a humbled football player is, well, bad for everyone. I expect him to contribute, but not dominate as a 2nd round rookie. Is it asking too much or expecting too little to have him work with the 2nd team or work the right side for a bit before letting JT pancake him all day. Or maybe we're finding out that Sheard is not going to be that great of a pick after all. Hope he improves but this has to raise some flags.
Been hearing Sheard is getting DESTROYED by JT in practice. Not the regular kind of whooping but utterly taken behind the wood shed and left for dead kind of whooping.
Now I get why they want him up against the best because in theory it should make him better. However at some point you have to think maybe your going to break him down mentally and cause him to question his abilities. I get it he needs to get better but a humbled football player is, well, bad for everyone. I expect him to contribute, but not dominate as a 2nd round rookie. Is it asking too much or expecting too little to have him work with the 2nd team or work the right side for a bit before letting JT pancake him all day. Or maybe we're finding out that Sheard is not going to be that great of a pick after all. Hope he improves but this has to raise some flags.
Well, Joe destroys DEs a lot better than Sheard. Welcome to the NFL kid. But I agree, put him at RDE if he can't hold up at the point of attack going against an an elite LT.
And if Sheard turns into a bust take Heckert out to woodshed for making a lousy pick.
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BEREA, Ohio -- Mike Holmgren was brought in as the Cleveland Browns president to reshape this franchise, and his offseason hiring of Pat Shurmur as head coach was the first big step. Shurmur is a disciple of the West Coast system and really is an extension of Holmgren. Both men specialize in quarterback pla, and that leads to the No. 1 story at Browns camp, Colt McCoy . The Browns skipped quarterback in the draft and didn't sign or trade for any in free agency. They are moving ahead with McCoy.
McCoy is being groomed to lead the franchise. He's young and learning this offense for the first time. He clearly worked hard in the offseason to master the complicated terminology and, as he said to me after the morning practice, learn the nuances of the package.
I asked McCoy to call one his most complicated plays as if he was in the huddle, which he quickly did in a commanding voice before stopping and saying, "I forgot to call the protection."
McCoy acknowledged with a smile that he is a work in progress but insisted he has the mental toughness to master the offense. Will he master it before the season? Probably not with all the young receivers, running backs and tight ends learning along with him, but they will get it done.
Right now McCoy looks better in the shotgun than he does under center but was quick to point out that he is improving and actually likes being under center for most of the offense. My impression of McCoy after spending a day with him is that he's a young perfectionist who still needs to relax a bit and forget the last play and move on to the next one.
Holmgren may be the biggest asset in this area since he goes out of his way to have those talks with McCoy. The best news about McCoy came from Shurmur, who said they really haven't had to slow down installation of the offense for McCoy because he has a good grip on what is being thrown at him.
Observation deck 1. A lot of rookies are going to play. I rarely go to a camp this early in the preseason where so many rookies are already in position to start or play important roles. By the time we get to Week 1, there could be at least five rookies starting and another three to four playing in sub packages.
2. It is tough installing a brand new defense that had to be converted from a 3-4 to a 4-3. New defensive coordinator Dick Jauron is a very patient, quiet man with a wealth of knowledge about the conversion process, but it is still a difficult job. Linebacker Scott Fujita , leader of the defense, told me he's fine with the transition after playing for seven different defensive coordinators in 10 years. He also told me that when the first-team defense lined up in the huddle for the first time, he had to introduce himself to three players he had never met before. It may also take a while for pass rushers to surface from the new 4-3 defense.
3. Sooner or later, McCoy has to start taking all the reps. As I finished watching tapes and practice, it was clear that three quarterbacks share the reps. Shurmur explained it this way: "Say we have a 12-play period in practice. That means six plays for Colt, three for Seneca Wallace and three for Jarrett Brown ." That's smart in OTAs, but it is just about time McCoy gets 80 percent of the plays if he's going to be ready. The coaches don't soon expect to change the percentage of plays each quarterback will get in preseason games or even in practice, but McCoy needs more work on fundamentals like his drop and pocket presence.
New guys to watch 1. Jordan Cameron : Maybe the steal of what appears to be a very good draft class. He didn't play much at USC, but the Browns did their homework on him and they have an all-around tight end with size, excellent route running, hands, and blocking ability.
2. Greg Little : When I sat down with the rookie wide receiver from North Carolina, I felt like I was sitting with a young Anquan Boldin . He weighs 240 pounds and has running back skills after the catch. He was clearly featured in the red-zone pass attack, but struggled to catch the ball. Holmgren feels Little is a natural hand catcher but he appeared rusty after missing his last season in college.
3. Jabaal Sheard : The rookie defensive end from Pitt has a fine inside move against a tackle. If he works hard on a speed rush and an occasional bull rush, he could be the real deal. It will be interesting to see how he holds up against the run at 268 pounds. I did ask him what it was like to go against all-pro tackle Joe Thomas every day. He said his record against Thomas is 1-13, but he also believes it is making him better.
4. Buster Skrine : No. 22, a rookie from Tennessee-Chattanooga, has been the star of the camp in the secondary. "He's real smart and already has picked up the defense," T.J. Ward said. He looks like the perfect guy to compete for the 'slot corner' job where he can use his quickness. He had a very nice anticipation interception during practice.
5. Phil Taylor : The first-round pick from Baylor has to be a part of a significant number of plays at defensive tackle and he has to learn to keep his balance. In all fairness, he has had just a few practices.
Watching tape Unlike some camps that I visit that don't provide access to practice videos, the Browns not only set up the tapes for viewing but Shurmur also stayed in the room with me, Brad Childress and Tim Ryan for an hour to give us a clear idea of what they are trying to do on offense.
The Browns are looking for one of their receivers to emerge as the slot in the three-wide receiver package. They definitely have a nice plan for two or even three tight-end packages, and with Peyton Hillis in the backfield it could be dangerous when that personnel group hits the field.
Prediction The Cleveland fans may be restless and want a winner right now but they are going to have to be patient. This is an investment in young players and it will take time. Progress will have to be measured in ways other than wins and losses early in the season. The AFC North is not an easy place to be, but I think they could get six or seven wins.
Got this opinion piece via NFL.com iPad app. Did not mention writer. Openess of the coaching staff interesting as was piece overall about the rookie progress and feedback. Final statement is about right. But I like building through youth for this team.
Tailgate loving, Steelers hating, Trans-Atlantic Browns fan. Annually disappointed since '88. Annually optimistic since '88. GO BROWNS! -
From what I have heard he has been getting beat by the best LT in the game. Not destroyed, or pancaked on every play, but beat. He even got around Thomas on one play which is good news. This guy is going to go into the first few games and be like "What the hell this is so much easier than practice!". It's just like last season when Watson had to go up against Roth every practice (Roth is not a great pass rusher but he is amazing in run support) and he majorly help Watson get better at run blocking. If you practice against someone good it can only help you in the end.
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BEREA, Ohio -- Mike Holmgren was brought in as the Cleveland Browns president to reshape this franchise, and his offseason hiring of Pat Shurmur as head coach was the first big step. Shurmur is a disciple of the West Coast system and really is an extension of Holmgren. Both men specialize in quarterback pla, and that leads to the No. 1 story at Browns camp, Colt McCoy . The Browns skipped quarterback in the draft and didn't sign or trade for any in free agency. They are moving ahead with McCoy.
McCoy is being groomed to lead the franchise. He's young and learning this offense for the first time. He clearly worked hard in the offseason to master the complicated terminology and, as he said to me after the morning practice, learn the nuances of the package.
I asked McCoy to call one his most complicated plays as if he was in the huddle, which he quickly did in a commanding voice before stopping and saying, "I forgot to call the protection."
McCoy acknowledged with a smile that he is a work in progress but insisted he has the mental toughness to master the offense. Will he master it before the season? Probably not with all the young receivers, running backs and tight ends learning along with him, but they will get it done.
Right now McCoy looks better in the shotgun than he does under center but was quick to point out that he is improving and actually likes being under center for most of the offense. My impression of McCoy after spending a day with him is that he's a young perfectionist who still needs to relax a bit and forget the last play and move on to the next one.
Holmgren may be the biggest asset in this area since he goes out of his way to have those talks with McCoy. The best news about McCoy came from Shurmur, who said they really haven't had to slow down installation of the offense for McCoy because he has a good grip on what is being thrown at him.
Observation deck 1. A lot of rookies are going to play. I rarely go to a camp this early in the preseason where so many rookies are already in position to start or play important roles. By the time we get to Week 1, there could be at least five rookies starting and another three to four playing in sub packages.
2. It is tough installing a brand new defense that had to be converted from a 3-4 to a 4-3. New defensive coordinator Dick Jauron is a very patient, quiet man with a wealth of knowledge about the conversion process, but it is still a difficult job. Linebacker Scott Fujita , leader of the defense, told me he's fine with the transition after playing for seven different defensive coordinators in 10 years. He also told me that when the first-team defense lined up in the huddle for the first time, he had to introduce himself to three players he had never met before. It may also take a while for pass rushers to surface from the new 4-3 defense.
3. Sooner or later, McCoy has to start taking all the reps. As I finished watching tapes and practice, it was clear that three quarterbacks share the reps. Shurmur explained it this way: "Say we have a 12-play period in practice. That means six plays for Colt, three for Seneca Wallace and three for Jarrett Brown ." That's smart in OTAs, but it is just about time McCoy gets 80 percent of the plays if he's going to be ready. The coaches don't soon expect to change the percentage of plays each quarterback will get in preseason games or even in practice, but McCoy needs more work on fundamentals like his drop and pocket presence.
New guys to watch 1. Jordan Cameron : Maybe the steal of what appears to be a very good draft class. He didn't play much at USC, but the Browns did their homework on him and they have an all-around tight end with size, excellent route running, hands, and blocking ability.
2. Greg Little : When I sat down with the rookie wide receiver from North Carolina, I felt like I was sitting with a young Anquan Boldin . He weighs 240 pounds and has running back skills after the catch. He was clearly featured in the red-zone pass attack, but struggled to catch the ball. Holmgren feels Little is a natural hand catcher but he appeared rusty after missing his last season in college.
3. Jabaal Sheard : The rookie defensive end from Pitt has a fine inside move against a tackle. If he works hard on a speed rush and an occasional bull rush, he could be the real deal. It will be interesting to see how he holds up against the run at 268 pounds. I did ask him what it was like to go against all-pro tackle Joe Thomas every day. He said his record against Thomas is 1-13, but he also believes it is making him better.
4. Buster Skrine : No. 22, a rookie from Tennessee-Chattanooga, has been the star of the camp in the secondary. "He's real smart and already has picked up the defense," T.J. Ward said. He looks like the perfect guy to compete for the 'slot corner' job where he can use his quickness. He had a very nice anticipation interception during practice.
5. Phil Taylor : The first-round pick from Baylor has to be a part of a significant number of plays at defensive tackle and he has to learn to keep his balance. In all fairness, he has had just a few practices.
Watching tape Unlike some camps that I visit that don't provide access to practice videos, the Browns not only set up the tapes for viewing but Shurmur also stayed in the room with me, Brad Childress and Tim Ryan for an hour to give us a clear idea of what they are trying to do on offense.
The Browns are looking for one of their receivers to emerge as the slot in the three-wide receiver package. They definitely have a nice plan for two or even three tight-end packages, and with Peyton Hillis in the backfield it could be dangerous when that personnel group hits the field.
Prediction The Cleveland fans may be restless and want a winner right now but they are going to have to be patient. This is an investment in young players and it will take time. Progress will have to be measured in ways other than wins and losses early in the season. The AFC North is not an easy place to be, but I think they could get six or seven wins.
Got this opinion piece via NFL.com iPad app. Did not mention writer. Openess of the coaching staff interesting as was piece overall about the rookie progress and feedback. Final statement is about right. But I like building through youth for this team.
Prediction The Cleveland fans may be restless and want a winner right now but they are going to have to be patient. This is an investment in young players and it will take time. Progress will have to be measured in ways other than wins and losses early in the season. The AFC North is not an easy place to be, but I think they could get six or seven wins.
This prediction is right, we will have to measure progress based off of various factors other than wins and losses much like with mangini..
Personally i will be watching to see if the coaches do or at least try to do the right things at the right time even if the players execution fails, it has to start with a solid gameplan and the building of trust by making the calls or trusting the QB to make the calls with a less than jelled or even prepared team...
This is the only way for our young team to get better and it is essential imho..
As far as sheard getting sheered by JT goes if he breaks down then we made a serious mistake in drafting the kid, he has to be getting pissed and if he is competitive he will find ways to at least stand up to if not overcome thomas on occasion, besides getting owned by JT is the norm and im sure he is well aware of that by now..
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That article HowieDawg posted is from Pat Kirwan. It's basically a synopsis of the past Thursday's Movin the Chains on siriusxm camp tour
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Looks like we have a couple of turds so far.
Greg Little, cannot catch so he will fit right in with the rest of our Iron hand receivers.
Jabaal Sheard, Cannot shake off a blocker.
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This forum should be called Chicken Little - A Place Where Whiny Bitches Can Come To Cry.
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Looks like we have a couple of turds so far.
Greg Little, cannot catch so he will fit right in with the rest of our Iron hand receivers.
Jabaal Sheard, Cannot shake off a blocker.
Looks like we have a couple of turds so far.
Greg Little, cannot catch so he will fit right in with the rest of our Iron hand receivers.
Jabaal Sheard, Cannot shake off a blocker.
Come on T, give the kids a break- it's the first week of training camp. Sheard is going up against one of the best in the business in Joe T. and Little hasn't played competitive football in over a year.
And training camp don't mean diddly- remember a guy called Ben Gay that tore it up in camp only to turn into a huge dud?
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Looks like we have a couple of turds so far.
Greg Little, cannot catch so he will fit right in with the rest of our Iron hand receivers.
Jabaal Sheard, Cannot shake off a blocker.
Looks like we have a couple of turds so far.
Greg Little, cannot catch so he will fit right in with the rest of our Iron hand receivers.
Jabaal Sheard, Cannot shake off a blocker.
Everything I have heard and read about Little is that he has been outstanding in practices and scrimmages. Of course, I haven't read that much.
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Looks like we have a couple of turds so far.
Greg Little, cannot catch so he will fit right in with the rest of our Iron hand receivers.
Jabaal Sheard, Cannot shake off a blocker.
Come on T, give the kids a break- it's the first week of training camp. Sheard is going up against one of the best in the business in Joe T. and Little hasn't played competitive football in over a year.
And training camp don't mean diddly- remember a guy called Ben Gay that tore it up in camp only to turn into a huge dud?
Come on T, give the kids a break- it's the first week of training camp. Sheard is going up against one of the best in the business in Joe T. and Little hasn't played competitive football in over a year.
And training camp don't mean diddly- remember a guy called Ben Gay that tore it up in camp only to turn into a huge dud?
I thought he won two Super Bowls?
DOH, Wrong guy?
I am waiting for us to get a player named Gold Bond.
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This forum should be called Chicken Little - A Place Where Whiny Bitches Can Come To Cry.
Hold up...whining and crying? I only restated (paraphrased) what has been said by first hand observers.....the dude is getting schooled. It may not concern you but that doesn't make me a bitch because it concerns me. Come here to WHINE about whiners.....see something wrong about that?
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Come on T, give the kids a break- it's the first week of training camp. Sheard is going up against one of the best in the business in Joe T. and Little hasn't played competitive football in over a year.
And training camp don't mean diddly- remember a guy called Ben Gay that tore it up in camp only to turn into a huge dud?
I thought he won two Super Bowls?
DOH, Wrong guy?
I am waiting for us to get a player named Gold Bond.
I thought he won two Super Bowls?
DOH, Wrong guy?
I am waiting for us to get a player named Gold Bond.
Is that why Sheard is having problems? severe jock itch.
I will hold off anymore speculations until I see these guys in pads.
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I thought he won two Super Bowls?
DOH, Wrong guy?
I am waiting for us to get a player named Gold Bond.
Is that why Sheard is having problems? severe jock itch.
I will hold off anymore speculations until I see these guys in pads.
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This forum should be called Chicken Little - A Place Where Whiny Bitches Can Come To Cry.
Hold up...whining and crying? I only restated (paraphrased) what has been said by first hand observers.....the dude is getting schooled. It may not concern you but that doesn't make me a bitch because it concerns me. Come here to WHINE about whiners.....see something wrong about that?
Come here to WHINE about whiners.....see something wrong about that?
D-Bone (must like the bone) is the head of the anti-bitching and whining squad, that is until our record is like 3-11 and we're getting steam-rolled by one of our division rivals. you betcha he'll change his game then.
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So....a 2nd round rookie is getting handled by a 4 year perrenial probowler in training camp. Damn, that is absolutely a bust pick. Heck, might as well cut him....
Little is a waste....he hasn't picked up the offense yet, and despite a few great catches tiptoeing the sidelines in double coverage for td's, he's obviously isn't gonna get it done.
A few weeks of practice should be plenty of time to be pro-ready....right?
/sarcasm
Jebus h christ....I don't know where y'all get ur info, but I've not seen so much misinformation on a single site regarding this team. Perhaps the long history of losing has jaded many of u....but if u think little and sheard are busts already based on camp reports (those I have read tell quite a different story), get ur head checked and stop jumping the frickin gun.
Panicing after a week of training camp after a 4 month lockout.....only browns fans
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Come here to WHINE about whiners.....see something wrong about that?
D-Bone (must like the bone) is the head of the anti-bitching and whining squad, that is until our record is like 3-11 and we're getting steam-rolled by one of our division rivals. you betcha he'll change his game then.
D-Bone (must like the bone) is the head of the anti-bitching and whining squad, that is until our record is like 3-11 and we're getting steam-rolled by one of our division rivals. you betcha he'll change his game then.
Agreed... Guess we should all form the same opinion and enjoy watching our team get whipped through this next decade.
It's more annoying to read people whining about the whiners. It's a forum for discussion and opinions. Instead of calling someone a name, try refuting their claim with something of substance.
And judging by years past and what we have now, it's no surprise many are pessimistic and down on the team. Maybe when we get a glimmer of real contender, people will stop "whining" as much.
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Come here to WHINE about whiners.....see something wrong about that?
D-Bone (must like the bone) is the head of the anti-bitching and whining squad, that is until our record is like 3-11 and we're getting steam-rolled by one of our division rivals. you betcha he'll change his game then.
D-Bone (must like the bone) is the head of the anti-bitching and whining squad, that is until our record is like 3-11 and we're getting steam-rolled by one of our division rivals. you betcha he'll change his game then.
Agreed... Guess we should all form the same opinion and enjoy watching our team get whipped through this next decade.
It's more annoying to read people whining about the whiners. It's a forum for discussion and opinions. Instead of calling someone a name, try refuting their claim with something of substance.
And judging by years past and what we have now, it's no surprise many are pessimistic and down on the team. Maybe when we get a glimmer of real contender, people will stop "whining" as much.
Call me crazy, but I want to see, oh I don't know, maybe at least one pre-season game, before I start crying about how shitty we are, or start calling for coaches & players' heads...........Yea, stupid I know.
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You crazy! You can wait until preseason to form your opinion. Just don't get your panties in a bunch when people have formed theirs from the last couple seasons. I, like you, will wait for judgement until I see them play. But I'm not gonna lie about being concerned that they're going to be a mediocre (or worse) team again. They got a lot going against them this year.
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