Worse Than Most Of These?

[The Gipper]

With the discussion about Pryor, I looked back at all the QBs drafted in the first round this past 20 years and asked: could he really be worse than about Two-thirds of these guys? Here is the list of all 49 QBs taken in the last 20 years in the 1st round. I see only about a third of them that have had decent NFL careers:

Andre Ware

Jeff George

Todd Marinovich

Dan McGwire

Dave M. Brown

Tommy Maddox

David Klingler

Rick Mirer

Drew Bledsoe#

Trent Dilfer#

Heath Shuler

Steve McNair#

Jim Druckenmiller

Ryan Leaf

Peyton Manning#

Cade McNown

Daunte Culpepper#

Akili Smith

Donovan McNabb#

Tim Couch

Michael Vick#

Patrick Ramsey

Joey Harrington

David Carr

Rex Grossman

Kyle Boller

Byron Leftwich

Carson Palmer#

J.P. Losman

Ben Roethlisberger#

Phillip Rivers#

Eli Manning#

Jason Campbell

Aaron Rodgers#

Alex Smith

Jay Cutler

Matt Leinert

Vince Young

Brady Quinn

Jamarcus Russell

Joe Flacco#

Matt Ryan#

Josh Freeman

Mark Sanchez

Matt Stafford

Tim Tebow

Sam Bradford#??

Only those marked with # have had what I call a decent career.

So, the question is, of this year's first round class of QBs, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder, at LEAST 2 if not 3 of them will be busts.

Which ones are you betting on to go down in flames?

[cribbs is the man]

@the-gipper said:

With the discussion about Pryor, I looked back at all the QBs drafted in the first round this past 20 years and asked: could he really be worse than about Two-thirds of these guys? Here is the list of all 49 QBs taken in the last 20 years in the 1st round. I see only about a third of them that have had decent NFL careers:

Andre Ware

Jeff George

Todd Marinovich

Dan McGwire

Dave M. Brown

Tommy Maddox

David Klingler

Rick Mirer

Drew Bledsoe#

Trent Dilfer#

Heath Shuler

Steve McNair#

Jim Druckenmiller

Ryan Leaf

Peyton Manning#

Cade McNown

Daunte Culpepper#

Akili Smith

Donovan McNabb#

Tim Couch

Michael Vick#

Patrick Ramsey

Joey Harrington

David Carr

Rex Grossman

Kyle Boller

Byron Leftwich

Carson Palmer#

J.P. Losman

Ben Roethlisberger#

Phillip Rivers#

Eli Manning#

Jason Campbell

Aaron Rodgers#

Alex Smith

Jay Cutler

Matt Leinert

Vince Young

Brady Quinn

Jamarcus Russell

Joe Flacco#

Matt Ryan#

Josh Freeman

Matt Stafford

Tim Tebow

Sam Bradford#??

Only those marked with # have had what I call a decent career.

So, the question is, of this year's first round class of QBs, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder, at LEAST 2 if not 3 of them will be busts.

Which ones are you betting on to go down in flames?

I honestly think all of them will not be an above average starting NFL QB... i thought a lot of teams reached for QBs this year (an easy position to reach for because of the positions importance, but nobody cares if youre good enough to backup the QB in the NFL so its all or nothing for these guys)

[Pumpkin Eater]

Yeah he would take a giant shit on the NFL field. He's not a pro QB.

[Kosar_For_President]

@the-gipper said:

With the discussion about Pryor, I looked back at all the QBs drafted in the first round this past 20 years and asked: could he really be worse than about Two-thirds of these guys? Here is the list of all 49 QBs taken in the last 20 years in the 1st round. I see only about a third of them that have had decent NFL careers:

Andre Ware

Jeff George

Todd Marinovich

Dan McGwire

Dave M. Brown

Tommy Maddox

David Klingler

Rick Mirer

Drew Bledsoe#

Trent Dilfer#

Heath Shuler

Steve McNair#

Jim Druckenmiller

Ryan Leaf

Peyton Manning#

Cade McNown

Daunte Culpepper#

Akili Smith

Donovan McNabb#

Tim Couch

Michael Vick#

Patrick Ramsey

Joey Harrington

David Carr

Rex Grossman

Kyle Boller

Byron Leftwich

Carson Palmer#

J.P. Losman

Ben Roethlisberger#

Phillip Rivers#

Eli Manning#

Jason Campbell

Aaron Rodgers#

Alex Smith

Jay Cutler

Matt Leinert

Vince Young

Brady Quinn

Jamarcus Russell

Joe Flacco#

Matt Ryan#

Josh Freeman

Matt Stafford

Tim Tebow

Sam Bradford#??

Only those marked with # have had what I call a decent career.

So, the question is, of this year's first round class of QBs, Cam Newton, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder, at LEAST 2 if not 3 of them will be busts.

Which ones are you betting on to go down in flames?

I am assuming the # is for good careers.

Way off, Vince Young, Cutler, Leftwich, and Jeff George was fooking awesome, there is no doubt in my mind he could still play today.

[The Gipper]

@kosar_for_president said:

I am assuming the # is for good careers.

Way off, Vince Young, Cutler, Leftwich, and Jeff George was fooking awesome, there is no doubt in my mind he could still play today.

The thing about the guys you mentioned above is that while they no doubt had the great skills and had their moments, they still come out as total underachievers.

Jeff George could be awesome....but as often as not he would play like he had oatmeal between his ears. Based on his skills he should have been much, much better than he was. He had all the tools except one: intangible leadership ability.

Its like we often said: could you imagine combining Bernie Kosar's brain and moxy with Vinny Testaverde's body. You would have had the most awesome QB in history. Same with George. Mr. No Guts, No Glory.

[The Gipper]

Even Jamarcus Russell had his moments:

[The Gipper]

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[The Gipper]

On the flip side:

[The Gipper]

And check this out by the same producers:

[WRREBEL]

Please no to terrel pryor.. would be even ben talking about him if he didn't go to ohio st???

He will never be a starting qb in the nfl....

Come on now, terrel pryor??? Really???

[jnuh]

How you gave Bradford the nod for being good, but not Freeman is mindblowing to me ... Freeman in yr 2 last yr threw 25 TDs to just 6 INT's that is a pretty amazing stat for a second yr QB who was the starter for his first full season. Can't ask for more then that. Also Cutler has had a solid career so far.

Also minus the superbowl ring Jeff George had a better career then Dilfer who you stated as having a good career. And you just left Sanchez off your list. I am personally not a Sanchez fan but through 2 yrs you can make an argument that he is off to a very nice start so far

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

@jnuh said:

How you gave Bradford the nod for being good, but not Freeman is mindblowing to me ... Freeman in yr 2 last yr threw 25 TDs to just 6 INT's that is a pretty amazing stat for a second yr QB who was the starter for his first full season. Can't ask for more then that. Also Cutler has had a solid career so far.

Also minus the superbowl ring Jeff George had a better career then Dilfer who you stated as having a good career. And you just left Sanchez off your list. I am personally not a Sanchez fan but through 2 yrs you can make an argument that he is off to a very nice start so far

The Jets win despite Mark Sanchez most weeks. He's just reaping the benefits of having arguably the most talented team in the NFL, short of Philadelphia. McCoy would tear things up in New York on the field, I just don't think he's got the right personality for that media market. Fortunately, Sanchez does have the right personality, and can xxxx up just enough to still win on most Sundays.

[The Gipper]

@jnuh said:

How you gave Bradford the nod for being good, but not Freeman is mindblowing to me ... Freeman in yr 2 last yr threw 25 TDs to just 6 INT's that is a pretty amazing stat for a second yr QB who was the starter for his first full season. Can't ask for more then that. Also Cutler has had a solid career so far.

Also minus the superbowl ring Jeff George had a better career then Dilfer who you stated as having a good career. And you just left Sanchez off your list. I am personally not a Sanchez fan but through 2 yrs you can make an argument that he is off to a very nice start so far

OK, I agree on this point: Let's just say that it is way to early to really evaluate the likes of Bradford, Sanchez, Freeman and the others who have only 2-3 years in the league.

On Dilfer vs. George I will simply say this: I think Dilfer performed as well as can be expected in his career, winning a SB, being a solid QB. With George, he clearly underperformed in my opinion based on his much greater innate talent. I don't recall that he ever came close to leading a team deep into the playoffs. And on that note, Trent Dilfer has the second best postseason winning percentage as a starting QB in NFL history behind only Bart Starr. In George's career he only appeared in 3 playoff game, winning only 1..

[The Gipper]

Zombo said:

Cutler is having a pretty good career.

Zombo

I still think we need to see a lot more out of him before we can give him a # sign.

And note this: I didn't give Rex Grossman a # sign, but did in fact QB his team into the SB. So for that should we give him a * if not a #?

[jasont44094]

Way off I see 26 Qbs on that list that are better than prior

[jnuh]

@the-gipper said:

OK, I agree on this point: Let's just say that it is way to early to really evaluate the likes of Bradford, Sanchez, Freeman and the others who have only 2-3 years in the league.

On Dilfer vs. George I will simply say this: I think Dilfer performed as well as can be expected in his career, winning a SB, being a solid QB. With George, he clearly underperformed in my opinion based on his much greater innate talent. I don't recall that he ever came close to leading a team deep into the playoffs. And on that note, Trent Dilfer has the second best postseason winning percentage as a starting QB in NFL history behind only Bart Starr. In George's career he only appeared in 3 playoff game, winning only 1..

1. Dilfer's winning percentage in the playoffs is high because he had arguably the best D of all time carry him to a 4-0 playoff record in 2000. That superbowl had little to nothing to due with Dilfer. Aside from that he was 1-1 in playoff games.

2. How can you say Dilfer performed as well as expected throughout his career? He was the 6th pick in the draft. Granted he wasn't the 1 overall like George ... but 6 is high and people expected him to be the face of the Bucs when he was drafted.

3. Statistically he (Dilfer) never even threw for 3000 yards. 3000! 3000 isn't even that much. While George never had an eyepopping year He has had some pretty decent 3800-4000 yard and more then 25 TDs seasons. 2 things Dilfer didn't do.

4.If you take away Dilfers superbowl ... this wouldn't even be a discussion. And 1 player doesn't win a superbowl ... especially when that one player is Trent Dilfer on the 2000 Ravens.

At the end of the day both these guys were average NFL QBs and nothing more. I just don;t understand how you can think one had a decent or good career (whatever the # represents) and the other didn't.

[The Gipper]

@jnuh said:

1. Dilfer's winning percentage in the playoffs is high because he had arguably the best D of all time carry him to a 4-0 playoff record in 2000. That superbowl had little to nothing to due with Dilfer. Aside from that he was 1-1 in playoff games.

2. How can you say Dilfer performed as well as expected throughout his career? He was the 6th pick in the draft. Granted he wasn't the 1 overall like George ... but 6 is high and people expected him to be the face of the Bucs when he was drafted.

3. Statistically he (Dilfer) never even threw for 3000 yards. 3000! 3000 isn't even that much. While George never had an eyepopping year He has had some pretty decent 3800-4000 yard and more then 25 TDs seasons. 2 things Dilfer didn't do.

4.If you take away Dilfers superbowl ... this wouldn't even be a discussion. And 1 player doesn't win a superbowl ... especially when that one player is Trent Dilfer on the 2000 Ravens.

At the end of the day both these guys were average NFL QBs and nothing more. I just don;t understand how you can think one had a decent or good career (whatever the # represents) and the other didn't.

First off, I think you underestimate Dilfer's contribution to the Ravens in 2000. Before he took over as starter that team was averaging like 8 points a game but still winning. When he came in they starte averaging over 20 some points a game.

Anyone that saw their raw talent could tell you that George was far more talented than Dilfer.

But George was the Randy Moss of QBs except without the victories. Sublime talent, but ALWAYS a cancer on his team. He was always fighting with his coaches and teammates.

Dilfer was the opposite. He was always a solid citizen with his team.

Yes, George might have occasionally had some good numbers, but it was fool's gold.

[bringbackbrownie2]

@the-gipper said:

First off, I think you underestimate Dilfer's contribution to the Ravens in 2000. Before he took over as starter that team was averaging like 8 points a game but still winning. When he came in they starte averaging over 20 some points a game.

Anyone that saw their raw talent could tell you that George was far more talented than Dilfer.

But George was the Randy Moss of QBs except without the victories. Sublime talent, but ALWAYS a cancer on his team. He was always fighting with his coaches and teammates.

Dilfer was the opposite. He was always a solid citizen with his team.

Yes, George might have occasionally had some good numbers, but it was fool's gold.

Sorry I disagree too. If Dilfer was so great then why did the raven let him go the year after their Super Bowl run? That tells you all you need to know about his importance to the Ravens. And Pryor is just a faster, skinnier Jamarcus Russell..

[Represent]

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

Sorry I disagree too. If Dilfer was so great then why did the raven let him go the year after their Super Bowl run? That tells you all you need to know about his importance to the Ravens. And Pryor is just a faster, skinnier Jamarcus Russell..

I'll argue easily against this, ravens since dilfer left 0 superbowls enough said they had a perfect fit for someone who could manage their offense just enough to stay in each game even if it was the defense that put them over the top Dilfer still was the right man at the right time for the job just because he didn't fit a certain (Mold) of QB the baltimore ravens tried to appease thier fan base which hurt their franchise from most likely putting up a few good years in a row with that murderous defense let's look at hmm

"The Baltimore Ravens were defending Super Bowl champions when Grbac replaced quarterback Trent Dilfer, the only quarterback to ever be released by his team after winning the Super Bowl, at the start of the 2001 season. Upon signing, Grbac trashed his immediate predecessor in the press: "It's time that a quarterback comes in here and provides leadership, a go-to guy, a vertical passing game. This is a great team. I can make it better."

2002 Jeff Blake went to the ravens and started 11 games 13 tds 11 picks

2003 first round pick Kyle Boller 7 tds 9 picks

2004 Boller 13/11

2005 Boller 13/12

Don't need to go on until i get to Flacco but my argument is "Don't fix what isn't broken" wheel spins wins you a race you don't change your tire cuz it wasn't pretty enough feel me.

[jnuh]

The whole thing here isn't so much who is better between these 2 rags as much as my argument was how can you say Dilfer had a solid career and not George. They are on par with each other. My opinion says George and yours says Dilfer and that is cool. I just cant see saying Dilfer had a solid career and George didn't. They were both average pro QB's.

While Dilfers career was highlighted by a SB win ... Georges highlights were some of those decent statistical years. At the end of the day though they had similar enough careers where you cant say one had a bad career and the other had a good career. There careers are to similar to say they were opposite sides of the spectrum.