Wow We Look Bad
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Shurmer must go. He's had long enough.
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I don't know why everyone on here is all over the Eagle's jock. They were HORRID against the Steelers last week and for the first quarter their O line was terrible.
Teams with a decent d line are going to eat up the Eagles O line unless they pull it together. Which they started to get better throughout the night.
Anyhow... Our mistakes really cost us this game. Good thing it's preseason and the mistakes we made are correctable.
1. Running into our own returner... turn over
2. Moore completely missing a block on the Field Goal.
3. False starts.
4. The fking Refs with their terrible calls (may not correctable, but oh well).
Let's not get our panties in a bunch. The team made some mistakes. But stop acting like the Eagles are the dream team. From watching them so far, they're a group with a bunch of good players who still haven't gotten everything working yet.
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Jrb,
I think you don't understand fuzball. I cried for us to upgrade the right side of our oline. Not with a high priced free agent but a capable starter. Our right side looks like ass, again! Doesn't take a football guru to see we needed an upgrade. But heckert was all high on pashos...
I also said we needed a wr threat. Some one who could get seperation. No not randy moss or terrel owens. But hey lee evans sure looks good for the ravens.
Again doesn't take bill parcels, bill polian or bill belichik to see we should have added talent.
But noooooo heckert and holmgren were busy being doughboys..
Let me ask you, who's the fool, the fool or the fool who follows the'
Jrb,
I think you don't understand fuzball. I cried for us to upgrade the right side of our oline. Not with a high priced free agent but a capable starter. Our right side looks like ass, again! Doesn't take a football guru to see we needed an upgrade. But heckert was all high on pashos...
I also said we needed a wr threat. Some one who could get seperation. No not randy moss or terrel owens. But hey lee evans sure looks good for the ravens.
Again doesn't take bill parcels, bill polian or bill belichik to see we should have added talent.
But noooooo heckert and holmgren were busy being doughboys..
Let me ask you, who's the fool, the fool or the fool who follows the'
Yeah, let's bring in a 30 year old wr who had 37 catches for 500 yards- that's the ticket to the Super Bowl. Do your homework before you throw out a name, or I may have to start calling you names. The Ravens are making a push now because Ray Lewis only has a couple of years left.
As to why the Browns lost, not exactly Rocket Science- 17 points off of turnovers for the Eagles, as opposed to none for the Browns. Gave them short fields all day on scoring drives.
Geeze Louise- all you Negative Nancys even watch the same game I did? Phil Taylor abused the Eagles o-line the entire time he was in the game.
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we're literally playing probably the best all around team in the NFL. They have by estimation 10-11 potential all star players and are pre-season favorites for a super bowl run. In contrast, we went 5-11 last year and are trying to rebuild with rookie players, including about half our starters out on defense. Holy jesus christ it just embarrasses me how ignorant some people are on this forum about football. We look bad against an elite team in a warmup game when half our starters aren't playing and it's like we're 0-12. Get an understanding about football guys, cmon
we're literally playing probably the best all around team in the NFL. They have by estimation 10-11 potential all star players and are pre-season favorites for a super bowl run. In contrast, we went 5-11 last year and are trying to rebuild with rookie players, including about half our starters out on defense. Holy jesus christ it just embarrasses me how ignorant some people are on this forum about football. We look bad against an elite team in a warmup game when half our starters aren't playing and it's like we're 0-12. Get an understanding about football guys, cmon
But we're in a division with two teams that are arguably on the same tier as this one. Hell, the Steelers thrashed their first team last week. We need to be able to compete with our division. We've seen a tale of two teams thus far, I still don't know which one we're gonna get.
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I am just going to go ahead and not read what everyone else said and just post my take on the game.
The dream team is coming off of an embarrassing loss and came in with something to prove. Vick was on his game and the D wanted to get the job done. We saw what can happen when a 2nd year and super young WR corps goes up again 3 pro bowlers.
POSITIVES: Run game did better this game with Peyton and Hardesty in. Peyton's first two runs were what we all love to see out of him and his late catch in the 2nd quarter makes me think he has sticky glue on his hands. The pass rush was also there. If anyone else but Vick was in the pocket we would have had more than just 1 sack in the first half and considering that it was Vick I think the D-Line did a great job of containing him. Phil Taylor was dominate and showed he can be an all around DT. DQ did good, and that hit he had on Vick shouldn't have been flagged. He put his helmet right in Vicks chest and was a clean hard hit. Any time you see the other QB on the ground 8 times is a good thing.
I did not watch the 2nd half so I won't talk about it.
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I am just going to go ahead and not read what everyone else said and just post my take on the game.
The dream team is coming off of an embarrassing loss and came in with something to prove. Vick was on his game and the D wanted to get the job done. We saw what can happen when a 2nd year and super young WR corps goes up again 3 pro bowlers.
POSITIVES: Run game did better this game with Peyton and Hardesty in. Peyton's first two runs were what we all love to see out of him and his late catch in the 2nd quarter makes me think he has sticky glue on his hands. The pass rush was also there. If anyone else but Vick was in the pocket we would have had more than just 1 sack in the first half and considering that it was Vick I think the D-Line did a great job of containing him. Phil Taylor was dominate and showed he can be an all around DT. DQ did good, and that hit he had on Vick shouldn't have been flagged. He put his helmet right in Vicks chest and was a clean hard hit. Any time you see the other QB on the ground 8 times is a good thing.
I did not watch the 2nd half so I won't talk about it.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
I am just going to go ahead and not read what everyone else said and just post my take on the game.
The dream team is coming off of an embarrassing loss and came in with something to prove. Vick was on his game and the D wanted to get the job done. We saw what can happen when a 2nd year and super young WR corps goes up again 3 pro bowlers.
POSITIVES: Run game did better this game with Peyton and Hardesty in. Peyton's first two runs were what we all love to see out of him and his late catch in the 2nd quarter makes me think he has sticky glue on his hands. The pass rush was also there. If anyone else but Vick was in the pocket we would have had more than just 1 sack in the first half and considering that it was Vick I think the D-Line did a great job of containing him. Phil Taylor was dominate and showed he can be an all around DT. DQ did good, and that hit he had on Vick shouldn't have been flagged. He put his helmet right in Vicks chest and was a clean hard hit. Any time you see the other QB on the ground 8 times is a good thing.
I did not watch the 2nd half so I won't talk about it.
I have to comment on Jackson's hit on Vick. Pure BS. The most mobile qb in the NFL, the guy has a clean shot coming in at full throttle, and he's supposed to stop and say "Mr Vick, would you mind if I hit you?" The ref even told Jackson when he questioned him about it. "If it had been regular season, I wouldn't have called it. Go play flag football for the qbs all ready, this is getting ridiculous.
Game changing play.
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Remember this: the Eagles scored nearly all their points off turnovers caused by our substitute punt returner.
Can I assume that when things start for real that Josh Cribbs is going to be the one back there returning punts and not these rookies?
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True Gipper, Turnovers will kill you. Wet field, wet ball, forcing the play a bit too much missing starters on both sides all contributed to the poor play last night and poor play it was. Luckily it's just preseason. Are some of us guilty of getting too excited and confident in the preseason yes just as some are too quick go super neg. in the preseason. Choco's reply said all that needed to be said in reply to KGL's rant.
I don't know if I would play the starters more next week against the bears than originally planned. Traditionally 1 QTR. That may expose them to risk of injury going against some guys who may be in do or die situations. But,I would put the screws to them in practice the next 2 weeks. Work them hard and get them good and pissed to go after the Bengals.
Once again its a good thing that was just preseason.
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A couple of glaring issues on defense. Jayme Mitchell is horrible and doesn't pursue, watch a replay of the last 2 games..He jogs most of the time..He has had 1 tackle in 2 games, has no pass rush moves except run up the field and a terrible motor..BAD SIGN...SHEARD LOOKS PROMISING..
Benard CANNOT play DE in a 4-3..He looks like he's getting thrown of the night club on some plays and gets stopped dead in his tracks too much. Robinson looks just a little to heavy to play there. Sanford actually looks pretty good and has a great motor..Taylor is the real deal though but he need some help
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@gafreleets said:
why exactly do you guys have this opinion? it seems to be the consensus in brown town but i've seen no evidence to back up this assumption.
let me take a moment to enjoy this breath of fresh air, free from contaminated homeristic optimism.
*ahhhhhhhhh* *birds singing, crickets chirping*
browns have a LONG way to go before they're a competetive team and it's nice to hear one of your own say it. i don't know why everyone thinks this combo in your FO are the messiahs that everyone is DESPERATELY trying to make them out to be but when they came in the browns had a LONG way to go to be a championship caliber team and they aren't any closer right now.
What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
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A couple of glaring issues on defense. Jayme Mitchell is horrible and doesn't pursue, watch a replay of the last 2 games..He jogs most of the time..He has had 1 tackle in 2 games, has no pass rush moves except run up the field and a terrible motor..BAD SIGN...SHEARD LOOKS PROMISING..
Benard CANNOT play DE in a 4-3..He looks like he's getting thrown of the night club on some plays and gets stopped dead in his tracks too much. Robinson looks just a little to heavy to play there. Sanford actually looks pretty good and has a great motor..Taylor is the real deal though but he need some help
A couple of glaring issues on defense. Jayme Mitchell is horrible and doesn't pursue, watch a replay of the last 2 games..He jogs most of the time..He has had 1 tackle in 2 games, has no pass rush moves except run up the field and a terrible motor..BAD SIGN...SHEARD LOOKS PROMISING..
Benard CANNOT play DE in a 4-3..He looks like he's getting thrown of the night club on some plays and gets stopped dead in his tracks too much. Robinson looks just a little to heavy to play there. Sanford actually looks pretty good and has a great motor..Taylor is the real deal though but he need some help
Taylor has help. It is called Ahtyba Rubin. But, I agree, the Browns OLBs looked constantly overmatched. And I don't know what these guys are seeing in D'Qwell Jackson. He makes an occasional open field play, but usually I see him getting knocked down like a rag doll or he is failing to fill the gaps that he is supposed to fill in the running game. I keep seeing to opponents make big yardage either up the middle or between the gaps and I ask "where is DQ?". Where he is is he is usually pancaked on his ass or stuck in traffic instead of filling the holes he is supposed to fill.
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I'm not mad at our defensive we put Vick on his ass a few times last night but we only made one major mistake if you play against a scrambling QB you only play a cover 2 9/10ths of the game the browns played a lot of prevent style 3nd and 10 or worse for philly and they explioted us for it.
I'll stick to my guns Browns 11-5 period
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Here's the deal.
Offense lacked intensity. Not sure why. Perhaps they wanted to get the reps in but not kill themselve either. This is the pre-season.
Some dropped passes. The one pass in the end zone to Hillis looked tipped but looked like it might have been catchable. Evan moore dropped another good pass.. Not sure what happened there. It just seemed like we were holding back, and we were pulling punches and for a very good reason - It's the pre-season.
The oline didn't play well at all... And if that keeps up were going to see the second coming of, um.. what's his name, the guy we drafted in '99 out of Kentucky, um... well, you can see how memoriable that was.
Defense, yes, Taylor looked great. I would like to see tighter coverage as our secondary seems to be playing a little loose, but if we can keep that pressure on the QB like that, it will produce 4th downs and turnovers.
I'm not worried, but I can see the coaching staff saying, let's go through the motions get out of here without injury.
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* Like Modell or hate him, he knew football, he mettled, AND he was ALWAYS making plays for controversial and high profile players.......... Warfield, Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, Kelly, Collins, Alzado. The Lerner Browns don't EVER make plays for the top players, the exciting, game breakers.
Jim Brown was drafted in '57 and Modell didn't by the team until'61. Warfield drafted then traded to Miami by Modell. Ernie Davis due to circumstances beyond anyone's control didn't work out but could have been legendary. Leroy Kelly drafted 1964.
Your Ghoulisional!
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Remember this: the Eagles scored nearly all their points off turnovers caused by our substitute punt returner.
Can I assume that when things start for real that Josh Cribbs is going to be the one back there returning punts and not these rookies?
Remember this: the Eagles scored nearly all their points off turnovers caused by our substitute punt returner.
Can I assume that when things start for real that Josh Cribbs is going to be the one back there returning punts and not these rookies?
It's not the fault of the substitute punt returner. Cribbs tripped over one of our own players once, and we lost the ball on that, too. It's the guy who ran into him. The returner is too focused on catching the ball to be worrying about hitting one of our guys.
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@gafreleets said:
why exactly do you guys have this opinion? it seems to be the consensus in brown town but i've seen no evidence to back up this assumption.
let me take a moment to enjoy this breath of fresh air, free from contaminated homeristic optimism.
*ahhhhhhhhh* *birds singing, crickets chirping*
browns have a LONG way to go before they're a competetive team and it's nice to hear one of your own say it. i don't know why everyone thinks this combo in your FO are the messiahs that everyone is DESPERATELY trying to make them out to be but when they came in the browns had a LONG way to go to be a championship caliber team and they aren't any closer right now.
What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
What the FIIK do you know about how to operate an NFL football team? Why do we think that are current FO is in better position to do something? It is called history. They have a resume of success, unlike anyone else we have had here.
Mike Holmgren, SB winning coach, took another team to the SB.
Heckert. GM of a team that made a SB appearance and 5 NFC title game appearances.
And in two years they HAVE made great strides, with talent acquisition. Are they done? By no means.
Yes, the Browns DID have a long way to go. They have gone part of that way, but certainly yes they still have some distance to go.
And there is nothing "desperate" about it. They have an organized disciplined plan which they are following.
Are some fans frustrated with waiting? Sure. But fans don't count for shit. You and your opinions included. It only matters what this FO does.
You have simply had stupid dumb luck. The Steelers have had good front office and coaching success. And you haven't contributed a cabbage fart to that effort any more than I or anyone else on here has. You could have easily been a fan of all the surrounding teams that are essentially just like the Steelers only they haven't had the FO stability. Like Buffalo, Cleveland, Cinci, Detroit. Steeler fans are no better or different than the fans of any of these teams. Its just that your organization has been somewhat better.
what do i know about running a NFL team? who knows.....i might be a GM for some team. maybe even the Steelers. that's the great thing about the net, you never know who you're talking to.
in two years they've made "great strides". how? where? have we been watching the same league? in the past 15 yrs you've had only 1 season that was respectable and it wasn't in the past 2yrs with this FO. again, why would you think this?
and i haven't contributed a cabbage fart? hey buddy, i've contributed PLENTY of farts of all kinds for my team. so lets get that straightened out right now. but as i said before, i could easily be a starter on the Steelers right now, i could be the GM, hell i could be a Rooney. ya never now.
with all i've heard about Big Ben being a rapist and i go to a online sex offender registry and look up cleveland and Pittsburgh and what do i find? cleveland has a CRAP load more sex offenders (and expecially child molesters) than Pittsburgh.......over 4X as many over all. 2055 of them to Pittsburgh's 421. www.familywatchdog.us better never hear one of you date raping, can't get a woman with my tiny peep unless i hold her down, child molesting hypocrits say anything else about Ben. -
or you could be some fat turd who lives in mommys basement trolling the internet talking smack to make himself feel better for being such a loser at life.
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