Studying The Top Teams In The Nfl, I Know What Our Problem Is...
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It's ALL about our O-LINE and QB. Nothing else, nothing more. Let me just start with that. And it's BOTH their faults.
When I watch the Browns game over and over, I see a common theme. That is the O-line collapses, and when it does, COLT doesn't make the HOT READ. That's a duel fault--one on the o-line for not giving the protection, and the other on Colt for not realizing it, and getting that ball off to a check-down (his favorite) receiver.
When I watched the Pittspuke/Patriot game, I noticed something a little different than how we play our games.
First, their o-lines, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, provides that security blanket of time that allows Ben and Brady (and with Brady, it's just unfair, he is just spoiled by how much time he is given, and if he was ever on the Browns he would be totally exposed due to lack of protection--it's not even fair OR comparable) to step in the pocket WITH CONFIDENCEand deliver a strike down the field. BUT. This wasn't the case ALL the time. WHEN the O-line coverage did break down, Ben and Brady GOT THE THROW OFF IN AN INSTANT. In-An-Instant. As in, UNlike Colt does, which he needs at least 4 seconds to figure out what he's going to do with the ball...
When I watch Colt, he seems timid and gun-shy. He doesn't get the ball off in an instant. He *NEEDS* time to survey the field and make a strike. Good QB's don't need that. They have it all timed off and ready and rearing to go in a second's notice. The best QB's gets the ball going within 1 or 2 seconds faster than Colt--They simply makes quicker reads--This and of itself is COLT'S FAULT.
Now then. . .Colt isn't ALL to blame.
The o-line doesn't get a free pass here (although Ghoolie would soon dismiss this notion since they are a "dime and dozen..")
Pittspuke's (and the other game I watched--Carolina's) O-line DID give their QB amble, upon ogles of time to throw the ball. MY EYES DID NOT DECEIVE ME! THEIR O-LINE SIMPLY GAVE MORE PROTECTION THAN OURS--anyone want to argue that, let's go toe-to-toe and break down the tape...That's on the O-line.
You see, it's a joint effort. The o-line and the QB MAKE the TEAM. The WR just go out and make a juke move and sprint past the defender (provided they have the time to)to be IN THE POSITION to MAKE THE PLAY. That can't HAPPEN UNTIL the QB has the time, OR takes it upon himself to make the hot-read and dump that ball off in a millisecond--like Ben did in the game I just saw and UNlike Colt does--for ever since he's been here--but if maybe the o-line gave him as much time as Pittspuke, he could make the same throws--that's what I'm talking about here!
That's what's the problem is with the Browns offense.
What else is there to be said?
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I somewhat agree with you. Colt just does not the arm strenth to make the throws that Big Ben, Brady, Rodgers can make when under pressure. Big Ben and Rodgers O-line is not that great, but they have a real quick release and can make any throw on the field..
Also Big Ben has Wallace, Rodgers has Jennings, Brady has Welker as there number 1s. WE have who??? I love Little, but he short armed alot of passes yesterday, but I understand cause Colt was leading him to get killed
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I somewhat agree with you. Colt just does not the arm strenth to make the throws that Big Ben, Brady, Rodgers can make when under pressure. Big Ben and Rodgers O-line is not that great, but they have a real quick release and can make any throw on the field..
Also Big Ben has Wallace, Rodgers has Jennings, Brady has Welker as there number 1s. WE have who??? I love Little, but he short armed alot of passes yesterday, but I understand cause Colt was leading him to get killed
I somewhat agree with you. Colt just does not the arm strenth to make the throws that Big Ben, Brady, Rodgers can make when under pressure. Big Ben and Rodgers O-line is not that great, but they have a real quick release and can make any throw on the field..
Also Big Ben has Wallace, Rodgers has Jennings, Brady has Welker as there number 1s. WE have who??? I love Little, but he short armed alot of passes yesterday, but I understand cause Colt was leading him to get killed
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. I just can't explain it to you unless you watch one of their games (or Carolina's or especially N.E) and see what I see. The time given to these QB's is "not fair" when comparing what Colt has to work with.
BUT!
As I said, the O-line protection does break down for a Brady or Ben from time to time, and when it does they have the ability to recognize it, react, and get the ball off in a hurry--that's where I'm saying Colt is at fault..
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it's NOT all on the o-line. My OP discusses that.
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True. it's about 75% the O-lines fault the rest is on the run game. One begets the other of course. The run is hurting because of the a combo of poor o-line, injuries and RB's who's desire to play may be lacking.
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True. it's about 75% the O-lines fault the rest is on the run game. One begets the other of course. The run is hurting because of the a combo of poor o-line, injuries and RB's who's desire to play may be lacking.
True. it's about 75% the O-lines fault the rest is on the run game. One begets the other of course. The run is hurting because of the a combo of poor o-line, injuries and RB's who's desire to play may be lacking.
well I was talking more about the QB/O-line combo, but I guess you have a point with the O-line being responsible for the CONSTANT 2-3 yard MAX runs up the gut by our RB's.
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I been watching all the games for 15 years ever since the Browns moved to Baltimore. I observed many things and found a common thread about winning teams. They all score when they have to and have an offense capable of playing an end game. They all have an outstanding QB except for the aberration of the Ravens in 2000 and they all have playmakers and field stretchers at the touch the ball positions. And a good many of them by seasons end had OLines that were makeshit at best because of injuries and the like.
Attacking McCoy for field presence is folly at this point. He is about to have one full year as a starter under his belt if that! It takes time to get the stiuational awareness reading ability and field presence to be a star NFL QB. Colt may or may not get there, it is not yet time to give up on him being a good NFL Qb. He may never be a franchise QB, but has exhibited more talent than any QB we have had since 1999. That does not mean we should not use a future number one pick on a QB instead of another OL guy..
Further, in the Steelers case Ben gets sacked a lot, he makes up for it by making big time plays over and over again, and extending plays with outstanding elusiveness. Brady gets rid of the ball quicker than Ben and Brees gets rid of it quicker than Brady and P Manning gets rid of it quickest of all and Rodgers combines the best of all three with a cannon arm as well. All of these franchises have consistently WON since each of these QB's took the reigns. NO stank before Brees, NE was mediocre before Brady, Pittsburgh went on a twenty Super Bowl drought before Ben, Indy stank before Peyton and now stinks without him, and Green Bay suddenly is now the best team in football with Rodgers instead of washed up Favre.
Further, all of the these elite franchise QB's have great receivers and excellent RB's. Thus the consensus is their OL lines are better than others.
So I the counter the premise of the thread, the OL is the easiest thing to fix and indeed they are a dime a dozen and without solid QBacking and weapons for that QB no OL will ever perform no matter who plays on it. All the teams I mentioned could win with any set of OL guys on any team in the league, it is the equal among teams talent wise on the OL. Not so at the skill positions or defenses..
So before you throw Colt under the bus, and spend another fortune retooling "a dime a dozen OL" focus on getting tools that make it possible for a QB to make plays and that is playmakers who touch the ball. We have none, all four of Pittsburghs wide outs are better than any of ours and their TE is better than ours and they have two RB's better than any of ours.
Colt McCoy is shooting an empty gun, hopefully given weapons and some "game time to mature his awareness and presence and read skills" he will become more than adequate and suddenly that crap OL you complained about will start playiing much better.
You take the QB's and skill players from any of the teams I mentioned above and put them on any team in the league and suddenly our or their crappy OL will be Studs
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Pittsburgh has an average o-line at best. Brady would not be a revered NFL QB if he had to play behind our line. In passing situations an O-Line is successful if it provides the QB with 5 or more seconds of protection. If you watched Brady you would see he had nearly 8 seconds of protection before our pass rush started closing in on him. Ben often holds onto the ball for around 10 seconds, but much of the time he manages to elude or overpower the pass rush. (When he doesn't, it typically results in a turnover).
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Pittsburgh has an average o-line at best. Brady would not be a revered NFL QB if he had to play behind our line. In passing situations an O-Line is successful if it provides the QB with 5 or more seconds of protection. If you watched Brady you would see he had nearly 8 seconds of protection before our pass rush started closing in on him. Ben often holds onto the ball for around 10 seconds, but much of the time he manages to elude or overpower the pass rush. (When he doesn't, it typically results in a turnover).
Endymion said:
Pittsburgh has an average o-line at best. Brady would not be a revered NFL QB if he had to play behind our line. In passing situations an O-Line is successful if it provides the QB with 5 or more seconds of protection. If you watched Brady you would see he had nearly 8 seconds of protection before our pass rush started closing in on him. Ben often holds onto the ball for around 10 seconds, but much of the time he manages to elude or overpower the pass rush. (When he doesn't, it typically results in a turnover).
Thank you, you proved my point! Colt has less than 4 seconds usually to read the blitz, survey the defense, look for an open man, and cock back and throw. No one in the NFL can constantly do that with our OL
And Rich I disagree. I don't know if you put Brady behind our O-line--even with their skilled players--that they would be the same team dominating the league--you are short-changing their OL wayyy too much..
The O-line has a 2-fold responsibility that makes those skilled players you mentioned better: Providing time for the QB (Which Brady has over 5 seconds nearly every time) and to open holes for those "better" RB's to run through.
Let's change it around, since OL are a dime a dozen, right? Maybe they are, but why are other teams' OL getting the job done and ours aren't?
OK, let's put Mendenhall or Gore behind our line--you think they're going to be racking up consistent, quality games? LOL they DO NEED a HOLE to run THROUGH, you know?
Just because they're good doesn't mean they can run through the opposing DL like ghosts.
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I pretty much aree with everything you posted Soju. Watching the Browns play the Niners (who have a decent D) was painful. Pashos whiffed on the play where Colt fumbled on- McCoy had no chance- he got sandwiched.
Pashos isn't the big problem though- it's the guards who are getting killed. So yeah Rich, I agree there- let's get a couple of your dime a dozen guards and fix this mess. Shrumur's playcalling left a lot to be desired too. Constantly trying inside running plays that weren't working.
Colt does deserve some blame- and not about the happy feet- he'd get killed if he didn't. But it IS taking him too long to make a decision, and he's not seeing the field very well either. Go look at the tape, and tell me if you don't see one of our receivers wide open in the right flat when Colt tossed the ill advised interception into double coverage. Calvin Johnson might make that play- Little isn't quite up to it yet.
I'll ditto the comment about Brady- he'd already be on IR if he had the kind of protection the Browns are giving McCoy.
The one positive about this game is Heckert again proved he knows what he's doing, pulling Oobi-wan off another teams practice squad and having him contribute- not bad.
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It's ALL about our O-LINE and QB. Nothing else, nothing more. Let me just start with that. And it's BOTH their faults.
When I watch the Browns game over and over, I see a common theme. That is the O-line collapses, and when it does, COLT doesn't make the HOT READ. That's a duel fault--one on the o-line for not giving the protection, and the other on Colt for not realizing it, and getting that ball off to a check-down (his favorite) receiver.
When I watched the Pittspuke/Patriot game, I noticed something a little different than how we play our games.
First, their o-lines, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, provides that security blanket of time that allows Ben and Brady (and with Brady, it's just unfair, he is just spoiled by how much time he is given, and if he was ever on the Browns he would be totally exposed due to lack of protection--it's not even fair OR comparable) to step in the pocket WITH CONFIDENCEand deliver a strike down the field. BUT. This wasn't the case ALL the time. WHEN the O-line coverage did break down, Ben and Brady GOT THE THROW OFF IN AN INSTANT. In-An-Instant. As in, UNlike Colt does, which he needs at least 4 seconds to figure out what he's going to do with the ball...
When I watch Colt, he seems timid and gun-shy. He doesn't get the ball off in an instant. He *NEEDS* time to survey the field and make a strike. Good QB's don't need that. They have it all timed off and ready and rearing to go in a second's notice. The best QB's gets the ball going within 1 or 2 seconds faster than Colt--They simply makes quicker reads--This and of itself is COLT'S FAULT.
Now then. . .Colt isn't ALL to blame.
The o-line doesn't get a free pass here (although Ghoolie would soon dismiss this notion since they are a "dime and dozen..")
Pittspuke's (and the other game I watched--Carolina's) O-line DID give their QB amble, upon ogles of time to throw the ball. MY EYES DID NOT DECEIVE ME! THEIR O-LINE SIMPLY GAVE MORE PROTECTION THAN OURS--anyone want to argue that, let's go toe-to-toe and break down the tape...That's on the O-line.
You see, it's a joint effort. The o-line and the QB MAKE the TEAM. The WR just go out and make a juke move and sprint past the defender (provided they have the time to)to be IN THE POSITION to MAKE THE PLAY. That can't HAPPEN UNTIL the QB has the time, OR takes it upon himself to make the hot-read and dump that ball off in a millisecond--like Ben did in the game I just saw and UNlike Colt does--for ever since he's been here--but if maybe the o-line gave him as much time as Pittspuke, he could make the same throws--that's what I'm talking about here!
That's what's the problem is with the Browns offense.
What else is there to be said?
It's ALL about our O-LINE and QB. Nothing else, nothing more. Let me just start with that. And it's BOTH their faults.
When I watch the Browns game over and over, I see a common theme. That is the O-line collapses, and when it does, COLT doesn't make the HOT READ. That's a duel fault--one on the o-line for not giving the protection, and the other on Colt for not realizing it, and getting that ball off to a check-down (his favorite) receiver.
When I watched the Pittspuke/Patriot game, I noticed something a little different than how we play our games.
First, their o-lines, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, provides that security blanket of time that allows Ben and Brady (and with Brady, it's just unfair, he is just spoiled by how much time he is given, and if he was ever on the Browns he would be totally exposed due to lack of protection--it's not even fair OR comparable) to step in the pocket WITH CONFIDENCEand deliver a strike down the field. BUT. This wasn't the case ALL the time. WHEN the O-line coverage did break down, Ben and Brady GOT THE THROW OFF IN AN INSTANT. In-An-Instant. As in, UNlike Colt does, which he needs at least 4 seconds to figure out what he's going to do with the ball...
When I watch Colt, he seems timid and gun-shy. He doesn't get the ball off in an instant. He *NEEDS* time to survey the field and make a strike. Good QB's don't need that. They have it all timed off and ready and rearing to go in a second's notice. The best QB's gets the ball going within 1 or 2 seconds faster than Colt--They simply makes quicker reads--This and of itself is COLT'S FAULT.Now then. . .Colt isn't ALL to blame.
The o-line doesn't get a free pass here (although Ghoolie would soon dismiss this notion since they are a "dime and dozen..")
Pittspuke's (and the other game I watched--Carolina's) O-line DID give their QB amble, upon ogles of time to throw the ball. MY EYES DID NOT DECEIVE ME! THEIR O-LINE SIMPLY GAVE MORE PROTECTION THAN OURS--anyone want to argue that, let's go toe-to-toe and break down the tape...That's on the O-line.
You see, it's a joint effort. The o-line and the QB MAKE the TEAM. The WR just go out and make a juke move and sprint past the defender (provided they have the time to)to be IN THE POSITION to MAKE THE PLAY. That can't HAPPEN UNTIL the QB has the time, OR takes it upon himself to make the hot-read and dump that ball off in a millisecond--like Ben did in the game I just saw and UNlike Colt does--for ever since he's been here--but if maybe the o-line gave him as much time as Pittspuke, he could make the same throws--that's what I'm talking about here!
That's what's the problem is with the Browns offense.
What else is there to be said?
Our WR's are terrible slow and can't get open. It's not that he's timid or gunshy, Watch replays of the routes our WR's are running, their covered like a rug. Everytime he does throw the ball its almost a force or the D breaks down on their zone coverages. Its really sad, but Colt has zero weapons on offense with a third string running back. Get off his back
If our guys could get open then he would be able to throw the hot route and get the ball out of his hands before he gets killed. Yes the Oline is not great and it needs major help, but we need guys to get open out there.
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It's more the system than the players. Nobody I'd completely to blame, yet nobody is blame free.
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those QBs mentioned above have a lot more physical attributes than our QB. they are bigger and stronger and tall enough to see over the other players.
yes and our OL needs help.
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I pretty much aree with everything you posted Soju. Watching the Browns play the Niners (who have a decent D) was painful. Pashos whiffed on the play where Colt fumbled on- McCoy had no chance- he got sandwiched.
Pashos isn't the big problem though- it's the guards who are getting killed. So yeah Rich, I agree there- let's get a couple of your dime a dozen guards and fix this mess. Shrumur's playcalling left a lot to be desired too. Constantly trying inside running plays that weren't working.
Colt does deserve some blame- and not about the happy feet- he'd get killed if he didn't. But it IS taking him too long to make a decision, and he's not seeing the field very well either. Go look at the tape, and tell me if you don't see one of our receivers wide open in the right flat when Colt tossed the ill advised interception into double coverage. Calvin Johnson might make that play- Little isn't quite up to it yet.
I'll ditto the comment about Brady- he'd already be on IR if he had the kind of protection the Browns are giving McCoy.
The one positive about this game is Heckert again proved he knows what he's doing, pulling Oobi-wan off another teams practice squad and having him contribute- not bad.
Colt does deserve some blame- and not about the happy feet- he'd get killed if he didn't. But it IS taking him too long to make a decision, and he's not seeing the field very well either. Go look at the tape, and tell me if you don't see one of our receivers wide open in the right flat when Colt tossed the ill advised interception into double coverage. Calvin Johnson might make that play- Little isn't quite up to it yet.
I was wondering if I was the only one that saw this! I was thinking it was a TE - maybe Moore or Watson but it was hard to tell.. I think a lot of the time McCoy has one receiver in mind and will either throw it to that one guy or dump it off for practically no gain.
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I read everybody's great posts and I must say I agree with at least parts of all of them. What I don't see is the blame that goes to Shurmer and Heckert. There were receivers better than ours we could have gotten for cheap. Heck TO is even still out there waiting for somebody. Plug in some other linemen and see what works up there. Lets give Mitchell a shot. Hey play Hillis when he is healthy, etc..etc...etc... There are way to many problems on this team that point directly to a coach that isn't qualified for the job he has. You can't just say it's the oline or its McCoy or its both. It is the coaches job to fix what isn't working and give us a chance to win. If we had last years schedule we would be 0-7 right now with this team.
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So we have issues with blocking and our rookie blocking TE is not doing a great job blocking. So why did we let our best blocking TE Mr Vickers pack his bags and leave ? I know he cannot single handedly make our blocking problems disappear but he was a step in the right direction and he is who made Hillis the player he is known to be.
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It's ALL about our O-LINE and QB. Nothing else, nothing more. Let me just start with that. And it's BOTH their faults.
When I watch the Browns game over and over, I see a common theme. That is the O-line collapses, and when it does, COLT doesn't make the HOT READ. That's a duel fault--one on the o-line for not giving the protection, and the other on Colt for not realizing it, and getting that ball off to a check-down (his favorite) receiver.
When I watched the Pittspuke/Patriot game, I noticed something a little different than how we play our games.
First, their o-lines, MORE TIMES THAN NOT, provides that security blanket of time that allows Ben and Brady (and with Brady, it's just unfair, he is just spoiled by how much time he is given, and if he was ever on the Browns he would be totally exposed due to lack of protection--it's not even fair OR comparable) to step in the pocket WITH CONFIDENCEand deliver a strike down the field. BUT. This wasn't the case ALL the time. WHEN the O-line coverage did break down, Ben and Brady GOT THE THROW OFF IN AN INSTANT. In-An-Instant. As in, UNlike Colt does, which he needs at least 4 seconds to figure out what he's going to do with the ball...
When I watch Colt, he seems timid and gun-shy. He doesn't get the ball off in an instant. He *NEEDS* time to survey the field and make a strike. Good QB's don't need that. They have it all timed off and ready and rearing to go in a second's notice. The best QB's gets the ball going within 1 or 2 seconds faster than Colt--They simply makes quicker reads--This and of itself is COLT'S FAULT.Now then. . .Colt isn't ALL to blame.
The o-line doesn't get a free pass here (although Ghoolie would soon dismiss this notion since they are a "dime and dozen..")
Pittspuke's (and the other game I watched--Carolina's) O-line DID give their QB amble, upon ogles of time to throw the ball. MY EYES DID NOT DECEIVE ME! THEIR O-LINE SIMPLY GAVE MORE PROTECTION THAN OURS--anyone want to argue that, let's go toe-to-toe and break down the tape...That's on the O-line.
You see, it's a joint effort. The o-line and the QB MAKE the TEAM. The WR just go out and make a juke move and sprint past the defender (provided they have the time to)to be IN THE POSITION to MAKE THE PLAY. That can't HAPPEN UNTIL the QB has the time, OR takes it upon himself to make the hot-read and dump that ball off in a millisecond--like Ben did in the game I just saw and UNlike Colt does--for ever since he's been here--but if maybe the o-line gave him as much time as Pittspuke, he could make the same throws--that's what I'm talking about here!
That's what's the problem is with the Browns offense.
What else is there to be said?
Our WR's are terrible slow and can't get open. It's not that he's timid or gunshy, Watch replays of the routes our WR's are running, their covered like a rug. Everytime he does throw the ball its almost a force or the D breaks down on their zone coverages. Its really sad, but Colt has zero weapons on offense with a third string running back. Get off his back
If our guys could get open then he would be able to throw the hot route and get the ball out of his hands before he gets killed. Yes the Oline is not great and it needs major help, but we need guys to get open out there.
Our WR's are terrible slow and can't get open. It's not that he's timid or gunshy, Watch replays of the routes our WR's are running, their covered like a rug. Everytime he does throw the ball its almost a force or the D breaks down on their zone coverages. Its really sad, but Colt has zero weapons on offense with a third string running back. Get off his back
If our guys could get open then he would be able to throw the hot route and get the ball out of his hands before he gets killed. Yes the Oline is not great and it needs major help, but we need guys to get open out there.
carlos, is that you?
guys are getting open....he just never sees them. much of it is his duress in the pocket, but please stop with this nonsense that its just the WR's.
as u suggested, ive watched the replays. and they tell a different story that what you are claiming. its not the receivers calling 3 yard routes that put them square in the LB zones now is it?
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
You are HALF right. There is NOTHING WRONG with the Browns OL. It is better than 75% of the lines in the NFL.

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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
HORSESHIT. That's what needs to be said. Big Bed didn't have much time yesterday. He got sacked 5 times BUT HE MADE PLAYS.
You are HALF right. There is NOTHING WRONG with the Browns OL. It is better than 75% of the lines in the NFL.
Our QB, WRs, and RBs ALL BLOW BIG TIME.
Ben gets sacked because he gets greedy and sits back in the pocket for over 5 seconds. The Line protection is there most of the time (80-90%)....but every line is not made of steel; when it breaks down and he gets sacked it's ok, once in a awhile, it's normal, and it would be for our team. But I want to see 5 or more seconds for Colt like Ben (and longer than that for Brady) gets.
Please re-watch the Steelers/Pats game and tell me you don't see a difference in the amount of time given to their QB's and ours--hell I've noticed it with Cam Newton and his line. That o-line gives him a crap load of time to throw, that's why he is making throws downfield, he and the WR's have the time to get open and throw. When the line breaks down and he gets the same amount of time Colt gets on nearly every down, he gets sacked or has to run out of the pocket--busted play.
You still say Colt has as much time as them and I'll just re-confirm you have no idea what it takes to win football games. You think it's all glitz and glamor with high-style running backs and high-flying WR's. How did they get there? WHo does the dirty work? WHy do RBs always thank the offensive linemen? OPEN YOUR EYES GHOOLIE! Or do you even watch other teams play or not?
From the PD:
McCoy has been sacked 16 times, 14 in the last four games. Teams are blitzing more. Coach Pat Shurmur said the 49ers did nothing special, that the Browns had people there to block -- but not all the blocks were made.
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