Tebow Is A Winner
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I can't stand this shit when people say "He's a winner." "The guy just wins."
Gimme a break. In college one player can dominate the game. In the NFL, everyone is a great and it's more about the team.
McCoy was a winner and just won... look at him. Same thing with Bradford, same thing with Bush and Leinart. Those fools "just won" and look how great they are.
Like what was said before, once a team stops him, everyone will copy that and he'll be a big Mike Vick that can't throw. I like the guy, he says and does all the right things, but i don't think he'll work out.
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It may fail if Denver keeps running a hybrid as they seem to do for 3 qtrs. Then come the 4th qtr Tebow takes over, and you get what you get.
If Denver commits, which I think they will after this year, you'll see a "O" more in line with Tebows talents. You have to remember they just threw this together a few weeks ago.
As the playbook adjusts and the players adjust, it will work just fine.
It may fail if Denver keeps running a hybrid as they seem to do for 3 qtrs. Then come the 4th qtr Tebow takes over, and you get what you get.
If Denver commits, which I think they will after this year, you'll see a "O" more in line with Tebows talents. You have to remember they just threw this together a few weeks ago.
As the playbook adjusts and the players adjust, it will work just fine.
I agree, I think it can actually work, it has nothing to do with "Tebow just wins(albeit he does have a good positive attitude)", it's the fact that style of play can actually be effective as it runs the game clock down and tires opposing defenses. He made some good throws too so it's not as if he can't develop into a decent enough passer, I'd take Tebow over Sanchez for sure(heh which isn't saying a whole lot).
I'd say Tebow is more like Vince Young, and before you go and say "who cares", Vince Young had a high winning % in Tennessee and had several good years, he just has a poor attitude, Tebow is the opposite in terms of attitude.
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The Broncos can amazingly still make the playoffs by winning their division this year, but even if they do, they won't make it very far. It's only a matter of time before teams adjust and this Tebow experiment fails. Short term success - long term failure. I understand the approach though. If I'm John Fox I'm going to continue to do whatever it takes to win games. That's his job. But management will have an interesting decision to make next year in the draft..
The Broncos can amazingly still make the playoffs by winning their division this year, but even if they do, they won't make it very far. It's only a matter of time before teams adjust and this Tebow experiment fails. Short term success - long term failure. I understand the approach though. If I'm John Fox I'm going to continue to do whatever it takes to win games. That's his job. But management will have an interesting decision to make next year in the draft..
So your telling me that instead of trying to run his offense using personnel not suited for that style of offense an NFL coach adjusted his game calling? What a concept maybe someone should tell Holgrem....errr I mean Shurmmer
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The Broncos can amazingly still make the playoffs by winning their division this year, but even if they do, they won't make it very far. It's only a matter of time before teams adjust and this Tebow experiment fails. Short term success - long term failure. I understand the approach though. If I'm John Fox I'm going to continue to do whatever it takes to win games. That's his job. But management will have an interesting decision to make next year in the draft..
So your telling me that instead of trying to run his offense using personnel not suited for that style of offense an NFL coach adjusted his game calling? What a concept maybe someone should tell Holgrem....errr I mean Shurmmer
So your telling me that instead of trying to run his offense using personnel not suited for that style of offense an NFL coach adjusted his game calling? What a concept maybe someone should tell Holgrem....errr I mean Shurmmer
Spot on. If tebow was here he wouldn't be a winner.
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It may fail if Denver keeps running a hybrid as they seem to do for 3 qtrs. Then come the 4th qtr Tebow takes over, and you get what you get.
If Denver commits, which I think they will after this year, you'll see a "O" more in line with Tebows talents. You have to remember they just threw this together a few weeks ago.
As the playbook adjusts and the players adjust, it will work just fine.
I agree, I think it can actually work, it has nothing to do with "Tebow just wins(albeit he does have a good positive attitude)", it's the fact that style of play can actually be effective as it runs the game clock down and tires opposing defenses. He made some good throws too so it's not as if he can't develop into a decent enough passer, I'd take Tebow over Sanchez for sure(heh which isn't saying a whole lot).
I'd say Tebow is more like Vince Young, and before you go and say "who cares", Vince Young had a high winning % in Tennessee and had several good years, he just has a poor attitude, Tebow is the opposite in terms of attitude.
I agree, I think it can actually work, it has nothing to do with "Tebow just wins(albeit he does have a good positive attitude)", it's the fact that style of play can actually be effective as it runs the game clock down and tires opposing defenses. He made some good throws too so it's not as if he can't develop into a decent enough passer, I'd take Tebow over Sanchez for sure(heh which isn't saying a whole lot).
I'd say Tebow is more like Vince Young, and before you go and say "who cares", Vince Young had a high winning % in Tennessee and had several good years, he just has a poor attitude, Tebow is the opposite in terms of attitude.
I understand what you are saying, but there is a "it" factor.
Call it leadership, whatever, but Tebow has it while as you noted with Young, he doesn't.
So it is a little of both. No, it isn't just because Tebow wins, but yes, it's because Tebow has a winners mentality.
Maybe put another way, he does a little less talking of the talk and a little more walking the walk.
Fair?
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Mark Sanchez just won at USC and he is terrible.
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The Broncos have a great defense, it keeps them in the games. No interception return, no victory.
Tebow is lucky, especially against a "prevent" defense. Sooner or later his luck will run out.
Rex Ryan is horrible at clock management.
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Teams have been defensing mobile QB's for decades, so they should already know how to stop Tebag. The problem is he can break tackles and run right over you. He does have some passing ability as well, if you notice the Broncos throw the ball deep every once in awhile to keep defenses honest.
John Fox is a great coach and will adjust to any adjustments teams try to make.
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Teams have been defensing mobile QB's for decades, so they should already know how to stop Tebag. The problem is he can break tackles and run right over you. He does have some passing ability as well, if you notice the Broncos throw the ball deep every once in awhile to keep defenses honest.
John Fox is a great coach and will adjust to any adjustments teams try to make.
Teams have been defensing mobile QB's for decades, so they should already know how to stop Tebag. The problem is he can break tackles and run right over you. He does have some passing ability as well, if you notice the Broncos throw the ball deep every once in awhile to keep defenses honest.
John Fox is a great coach and will adjust to any adjustments teams try to make.
I guess it depends on what you mean by some? I mean yes he throws the ball and less then 50% of the time people catch it. I like Tebow the person, I hate Tebow the QB. He sucks, if Kyle Orton played that game, they win by 20 pts because the Broncos D set them offense up like a half dozen times either on Jets side of the 50 or pretty close to it and they managed 3 pts. Sorry Tebow blows, he made some plays on that last drive almost all with his legs Denver can have him I dont want him.
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It may fail if Denver keeps running a hybrid as they seem to do for 3 qtrs. Then come the 4th qtr Tebow takes over, and you get what you get.
If Denver commits, which I think they will after this year, you'll see a "O" more in line with Tebows talents. You have to remember they just threw this together a few weeks ago.
As the playbook adjusts and the players adjust, it will work just fine.
It may fail if Denver keeps running a hybrid as they seem to do for 3 qtrs. Then come the 4th qtr Tebow takes over, and you get what you get.
If Denver commits, which I think they will after this year, you'll see a "O" more in line with Tebows talents. You have to remember they just threw this together a few weeks ago.
As the playbook adjusts and the players adjust, it will work just fine.
It seems to be working....at least at the critical moments.
But, the fact is, the Broncos are winning because their defense has been playing spectacularly, not because Tebow has. He gets the right thing done at the right time, but if that defense wasn't holding the opposition to almost nothing it wouldn't matter what he does.
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I agree, I think it can actually work, it has nothing to do with "Tebow just wins(albeit he does have a good positive attitude)", it's the fact that style of play can actually be effective as it runs the game clock down and tires opposing defenses. He made some good throws too so it's not as if he can't develop into a decent enough passer, I'd take Tebow over Sanchez for sure(heh which isn't saying a whole lot).
I'd say Tebow is more like Vince Young, and before you go and say "who cares", Vince Young had a high winning % in Tennessee and had several good years, he just has a poor attitude, Tebow is the opposite in terms of attitude.
I understand what you are saying, but there is a "it" factor.
Call it leadership, whatever, but Tebow has it while as you noted with Young, he doesn't.
So it is a little of both. No, it isn't just because Tebow wins, but yes, it's because Tebow has a winners mentality.
Maybe put another way, he does a little less talking of the talk and a little more walking the walk.
Fair?
I understand what you are saying, but there is a "it" factor.
Call it leadership, whatever, but Tebow has it while as you noted with Young, he doesn't.
I dont know...Young had it for some time....but lost it when defenses clued into him. Possibly the same thing could happen to Tebow.
So it is a little of both. No, it isn't just because Tebow wins, but yes, it's because Tebow has a winners mentality.
Maybe put another way, he does a little less talking of the talk and a little more walking the walk.
Fair?
Actually, it is more like less talking, less walking, more running!!
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The Broncos can amazingly still make the playoffs by winning their division this year, but even if they do, they won't make it very far. It's only a matter of time before teams adjust and this Tebow experiment fails. Short term success - long term failure. I understand the approach though. If I'm John Fox I'm going to continue to do whatever it takes to win games. That's his job. But management will have an interesting decision to make next year in the draft..
So your telling me that instead of trying to run his offense using personnel not suited for that style of offense an NFL coach adjusted his game calling? What a concept maybe someone should tell Holgrem....errr I mean Shurmmer
So your telling me that instead of trying to run his offense using personnel not suited for that style of offense an NFL coach adjusted his game calling? What a concept maybe someone should tell Holgrem....errr I mean Shurmmer
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Good coaches adapt their offenses to the skill sets of their players. It's okay to implement your own system, but you have to adapt it to your players' strengths in the short term or else it won't work.
I guess it depends on what you mean by some? I mean yes he throws the ball and less then 50% of the time people catch it. I like Tebow the person, I hate Tebow the QB. He sucks, if Kyle Orton played that game, they win by 20 pts because the Broncos D set them offense up like a half dozen times either on Jets side of the 50 or pretty close to it and they managed 3 pts. Sorry Tebow blows, he made some plays on that last drive almost all with his legs Denver can have him I dont want him.
Orton was 1-4 as a starter. I don't know when or why people started jumping on the Orton bandwagon, the guy is mediocre at best. He was awful in Chicago. At one point he was the third string QB behind Brian Griese, and then again behind Chris Leak. In Denver, he's been okay. He has good stats for the past two seasons, but all he does is lose big games. To say that they win by 20 with Orton at the helm is complete bull. They lose that game because Orton throws two costly picks, and 14 incompletions. See...I can make things up too. And my situation is more vaild because all Orton did this season was play like shit.
Tim Tebow wins. In an offense that shouldn't work in the NFL, but does because he's running it.
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His stats suck and John Fox has straight out said that he doesn't think Tebow is a very good QB... But they are running an offense that is taylored to Tebow which allows his to succeed. I understand that you want McCoy to learn the WCO, but when we have no O-Line or runniing game, just say screw it and start playing some spread shotgun football.
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His stats suck and John Fox has straight out said that he doesn't think Tebow is a very good QB... But they are running an offense that is taylored to Tebow which allows his to succeed. I understand that you want McCoy to learn the WCO, but when we have no O-Line or runniing game, just say screw it and start playing some spread shotgun football.
Hillis-iz-Boss said:
His stats suck and John Fox has straight out said that he doesn't think Tebow is a very good QB... But they are running an offense that is taylored to Tebow which allows his to succeed. I understand that you want McCoy to learn the WCO, but when we have no O-Line or runniing game, just say screw it and start playing some spread shotgun football.
I thought you were changing your name?
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Hillis-iz-Boss said:
His stats suck and John Fox has straight out said that he doesn't think Tebow is a very good QB... But they are running an offense that is taylored to Tebow which allows his to succeed. I understand that you want McCoy to learn the WCO, but when we have no O-Line or runniing game, just say screw it and start playing some spread shotgun football.
I thought you were changing your name?
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So your telling me that instead of trying to run his offense using personnel not suited for that style of offense an NFL coach adjusted his game calling? What a concept maybe someone should tell Holgrem....errr I mean Shurmmer
+1
Good coaches adapt their offenses to the skill sets of their players. It's okay to implement your own system, but you have to adapt it to your players' strengths in the short term or else it won't work.
I guess it depends on what you mean by some? I mean yes he throws the ball and less then 50% of the time people catch it. I like Tebow the person, I hate Tebow the QB. He sucks, if Kyle Orton played that game, they win by 20 pts because the Broncos D set them offense up like a half dozen times either on Jets side of the 50 or pretty close to it and they managed 3 pts. Sorry Tebow blows, he made some plays on that last drive almost all with his legs Denver can have him I dont want him.
Orton was 1-4 as a starter. I don't know when or why people started jumping on the Orton bandwagon, the guy is mediocre at best. He was awful in Chicago. At one point he was the third string QB behind Brian Griese, and then again behind Chris Leak. In Denver, he's been okay. He has good stats for the past two seasons, but all he does is lose big games. To say that they win by 20 with Orton at the helm is complete bull. They lose that game because Orton throws two costly picks, and 14 incompletions. See...I can make things up too. And my situation is more vaild because all Orton did this season was play like shit.
Tim Tebow wins. In an offense that shouldn't work in the NFL, but does because he's running it.
+1
Good coaches adapt their offenses to the skill sets of their players. It's okay to implement your own system, but you have to adapt it to your players' strengths in the short term or else it won't work.
Orton was 1-4 as a starter. I don't know when or why people started jumping on the Orton bandwagon, the guy is mediocre at best. He was awful in Chicago. At one point he was the third string QB behind Brian Griese, and then again behind Chris Leak. In Denver, he's been okay. He has good stats for the past two seasons, but all he does is lose big games. To say that they win by 20 with Orton at the helm is complete bull. They lose that game because Orton throws two costly picks, and 14 incompletions. See...I can make things up too. And my situation is more vaild because all Orton did this season was play like shit.
Tim Tebow wins. In an offense that shouldn't work in the NFL, but does because he's running it.
OK you keep believing this lunacy if you wish. I don't believe Orton is that good, but his passing game is light yrs ahead of Tebows. Denver have 5 drives start in Jets territory, they got 1 FG and punted the other 4. They gained a total of 15 yrd on those 5 drives, or an avg of 3 yd a drive by this great QB. Yes he is great I stand corrected. He had 1 drive the whole game and the jets certainly helped him out by letting him get outside containment on the rush. He gets credit for making those plays on the last drive, but make that a 2 minute drive and Denver goes home with a loss, he cant come back via his arm because he sucks he misses wide open receivers, he under throws them, over throws them, throw behind them throws ahead of them and everyone once in a while he throws at them.
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So your telling me that instead of trying to run his offense using personnel not suited for that style of offense an NFL coach adjusted his game calling? What a concept maybe someone should tell Holgrem....errr I mean Shurmmer
+1
Good coaches adapt their offenses to the skill sets of their players. It's okay to implement your own system, but you have to adapt it to your players' strengths in the short term or else it won't work.
I guess it depends on what you mean by some? I mean yes he throws the ball and less then 50% of the time people catch it. I like Tebow the person, I hate Tebow the QB. He sucks, if Kyle Orton played that game, they win by 20 pts because the Broncos D set them offense up like a half dozen times either on Jets side of the 50 or pretty close to it and they managed 3 pts. Sorry Tebow blows, he made some plays on that last drive almost all with his legs Denver can have him I dont want him.
Orton was 1-4 as a starter. I don't know when or why people started jumping on the Orton bandwagon, the guy is mediocre at best. He was awful in Chicago. At one point he was the third string QB behind Brian Griese, and then again behind Chris Leak. In Denver, he's been okay. He has good stats for the past two seasons, but all he does is lose big games. To say that they win by 20 with Orton at the helm is complete bull. They lose that game because Orton throws two costly picks, and 14 incompletions. See...I can make things up too. And my situation is more vaild because all Orton did this season was play like shit.
Tim Tebow wins. In an offense that shouldn't work in the NFL, but does because he's running it.
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I don't know when or why people started jumping on the Orton bandwagon, the guy is mediocre at best. He was awful in Chicago.
Tim Tebow wins.
So your argument is that Tebow is good because he wins but Orton was terrible in Chicago yet he had a 21-12 record. I don't think you can have it both ways here.
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I don't know when or why people started jumping on the Orton bandwagon, the guy is mediocre at best. He was awful in Chicago.
Tim Tebow wins.
So your argument is that Tebow is good because he wins but Orton was terrible in Chicago yet he had a 21-12 record. I don't think you can have it both ways here.
So your argument is that Tebow is good because he wins but Orton was terrible in Chicago yet he had a 21-12 record. I don't think you can have it both ways here.
I'm not trying to have it both ways. Orton may have won in Chicago, but he still got benched. He was a third string QB behind a newly acquired Brian Griese and then a newly acquired Chris Leak. He can't maintain a starting position anywhere he goes. If he was such a stud, you'd think they would keep him in.
Fact of the matter is, Orton was 1-4 this season and he got benched. Tebow came in and is now 4-1. I don't see where any argument can be made.
Orton just wasn't getting it done.
Do Tebow's stats leave something to be desired? Sure. But if the Lombardi trophy was given to the QB with the best stats, the NFL would be a hell of a lot different. But it's not. It's given to the team that wins, and right now Tebow is doing enough not to lose games.
Most people are just looking for a reason to shit on him because they're jealous, they're assholes, they're sheeple, they fear change...whatever. But to sit there and say he's not a winner and you wouldn't want him on your team is stupid.
I don't give a shit if my QB throws the ball underhanded with his eyes closed. If he's a winner, he's a winner. Sure, fundamentals are nice. But winning is a hell of a lot sweeter.
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So your argument is that Tebow is good because he wins but Orton was terrible in Chicago yet he had a 21-12 record. I don't think you can have it both ways here.
I'm not trying to have it both ways. Orton may have won in Chicago, but he still got benched. He was a third string QB behind a newly acquired Brian Griese and then a newly acquired Chris Leak. He can't maintain a starting position anywhere he goes. If he was such a stud, you'd think they would keep him in.
Fact of the matter is, Orton was 1-4 this season and he got benched. Tebow came in and is now 4-1. I don't see where any argument can be made.
Orton just wasn't getting it done.
Do Tebow's stats leave something to be desired? Sure. But if the Lombardi trophy was given to the QB with the best stats, the NFL would be a hell of a lot different. But it's not. It's given to the team that wins, and right now Tebow is doing enough not to lose games.
Most people are just looking for a reason to shit on him because they're jealous, they're assholes, they're sheeple, they fear change...whatever. But to sit there and say he's not a winner and you wouldn't want him on your team is stupid.
I don't give a shit if my QB throws the ball underhanded with his eyes closed. If he's a winner, he's a winner. Sure, fundamentals are nice. But winning is a hell of a lot sweeter.
I'm not trying to have it both ways. Orton may have won in Chicago, but he still got benched. He was a third string QB behind a newly acquired Brian Griese and then a newly acquired Chris Leak. He can't maintain a starting position anywhere he goes. If he was such a stud, you'd think they would keep him in.
Fact of the matter is, Orton was 1-4 this season and he got benched. Tebow came in and is now 4-1. I don't see where any argument can be made.
Orton just wasn't getting it done.
Do Tebow's stats leave something to be desired? Sure. But if the Lombardi trophy was given to the QB with the best stats, the NFL would be a hell of a lot different. But it's not. It's given to the team that wins, and right now Tebow is doing enough not to lose games.
Most people are just looking for a reason to shit on him because they're jealous, they're assholes, they're sheeple, they fear change...whatever. But to sit there and say he's not a winner and you wouldn't want him on your team is stupid.
I don't give a shit if my QB throws the ball underhanded with his eyes closed. If he's a winner, he's a winner. Sure, fundamentals are nice. But winning is a hell of a lot sweeter.
I like Tebow like I said, he just sucks as a QB, next yr he will be riding the pine again or getting pummeled if he cant improve his passing.
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So your argument is that Tebow is good because he wins but Orton was terrible in Chicago yet he had a 21-12 record. I don't think you can have it both ways here.
I'm not trying to have it both ways. Orton may have won in Chicago, but he still got benched. He was a third string QB behind a newly acquired Brian Griese and then a newly acquired Chris Leak. He can't maintain a starting position anywhere he goes. If he was such a stud, you'd think they would keep him in.
Fact of the matter is, Orton was 1-4 this season and he got benched. Tebow came in and is now 4-1. I don't see where any argument can be made.
Orton just wasn't getting it done.
Do Tebow's stats leave something to be desired? Sure. But if the Lombardi trophy was given to the QB with the best stats, the NFL would be a hell of a lot different. But it's not. It's given to the team that wins, and right now Tebow is doing enough not to lose games.
Most people are just looking for a reason to shit on him because they're jealous, they're assholes, they're sheeple, they fear change...whatever. But to sit there and say he's not a winner and you wouldn't want him on your team is stupid.
I don't give a shit if my QB throws the ball underhanded with his eyes closed. If he's a winner, he's a winner. Sure, fundamentals are nice. But winning is a hell of a lot sweeter.
I'm not trying to have it both ways. Orton may have won in Chicago, but he still got benched. He was a third string QB behind a newly acquired Brian Griese and then a newly acquired Chris Leak. He can't maintain a starting position anywhere he goes. If he was such a stud, you'd think they would keep him in.
Fact of the matter is, Orton was 1-4 this season and he got benched. Tebow came in and is now 4-1. I don't see where any argument can be made.
Orton just wasn't getting it done.
Do Tebow's stats leave something to be desired? Sure. But if the Lombardi trophy was given to the QB with the best stats, the NFL would be a hell of a lot different. But it's not. It's given to the team that wins, and right now Tebow is doing enough not to lose games.
Most people are just looking for a reason to shit on him because they're jealous, they're assholes, they're sheeple, they fear change...whatever. But to sit there and say he's not a winner and you wouldn't want him on your team is stupid.
I don't give a shit if my QB throws the ball underhanded with his eyes closed. If he's a winner, he's a winner. Sure, fundamentals are nice. But winning is a hell of a lot sweeter.
The QB doesn't win the game by himself. I know youre gonna say that you know this and talk about your expertise or whatever but the fact remains that McCoy went out there and put up a fantastic statline last week and it didnt matter because when he handed off, the run didnt find the endzone and when the browns set up to kick the errors did them in. Its hard to win when you make those types of mistakes and you cant put that all on the QB.
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