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  • Ok Rich I'll play.

    WRs: Blackmon (Oklahoma St.) and Wright (Baylor). I would be happy with either or both. Blackmon will be a top 5 pick and Wright will probably go in the second round. I'm not a big fan of Floyd or Toon. Toon reminds me too much of Robiskie.

    RBs: Richardson (Alabama), Wilson (Virginia Tech), and Pierce (Temple). Richardson will probably be a top 10 pick, Wilson a 2nd, and Pierce a 3rd or 4th. If Blackmon is available I would take him and pick Wilson or Pierce later in the draft. Richardson reminds me of a bigger, slightly slower MJD. Wilson is fast and can break tackles, and Pierce has good vision and agility. I don't really like James (Oregon) or Ball (Wisconsin). James needs open space to use his speed and isn't big enough to break many tackles. Ball isn't very fast and isn't particularly good at breaking tackles either. Just my opinions.

    QBs: Luck (Stanford), Griffin (Baylor), Cousins (Michigan St). Luck is the obvious #1 pick. Griffin will probably be a top 10 pick and I like him a lot more than Barkley. Cousins would be a 3rd or 4th rounder. I would only select Cousins if we don't get a QB in the first round. He has a strong arm and doesn't seem stare down the same receiver (as Colt seems to do) and makes multiple reads.

    LBs: I can't really decide which linebackers I like, but I would be shocked if the Browns don't use their second 1st rounder on one. Kueckly (Boston College), Upshaw (Alabama), Hightower (Alabama), or Brown (North Carolina -if Brown is still on the board late 1st round) are all good candidates. Upshaw might be more of a DE in a 4-3 though, but the Browns need a RE too..

    OL: Sorry I couldn't resist. I would use the second 4th rounder or 5th rounder on a lineman and sign another through free agency as cheap depth. Hopefully Steinbach can be healthy next year so Pinkston can move to right guard and then our 4th or 5th rounder could hopefully fill in at RT.

    It's hard to predict who the Browns will take since we don't know the draft order yet. But I think it's a safe bet that the Browns will have around the 5th and 22nd overall picks.. I'm not gonna bother trying to do mock drafts since we don't know who picks before the Browns. The Rams, Jaguars, and Vikings seem to be our biggest competition for drafting Blackmon right now. Plus who knows if the Browns will try to sign any big name free agents between now and the draft..

  • Why don't they make hillis a fullback. he's not a bad blocker. he's good short yard guy makes good catches outta back field. yep hillis blocking for Trent Richardson id pay to see that

    @cdl15 said:

    Why don't they make hillis a fullback. he's not a bad blocker. he's good short yard guy makes good catches outta back field. yep hillis blocking for Trent Richardson id pay to see that

    I was actually going to suggest that as well. The problem is Hillis probably doesn't want to play as a FB and would clearly not be paid the money he has been asking for. But I have to agree that he would make a great FB and could still be used on some short yardage situations and the occasional screen.

  • Points to Build on: Defense - Sheard, Taylor, Rubin, DJack, Haden, Ward, Gocong (only because they are giving him $18 million)

    Offense - Thomas, Mack, Marecic, Moore, Little, Norwood, Cameron

    Uprgades: Defense - Right defensive end, 1 or 2 Outside linebackers, safety, corner

    Offense - Right Tackle, move Pinkston to Right Guard when Steinback returns, Receivers!

    Draft Options: Defense - Quinton Coples, Zach Brown, Jarvis Jones, Chase Minnifield, Melvin Ingram, Jayron Hosley

    Offense - Alshon Jeffery, Michael Floyd, Kendall Wright, Mike Adams, Riley Reiff, Trent Richardson (if available)

    Other Options: Defense - Buster Skrine replaces Brown opposite Haden, Titus Brown/Kaluka Maiava in for Fujita.

    Offense - Sign Hillis if he brings his price down and use a two back system with Ogbonnaya. Also, Armond Smith anyone? Great speed and led the team in preseason rushing. Use Evan Moore, that's why you paid him (also teach him how to block and don't throw to him the first play you put him in the game EVERY TIME). Draft #1 reciver, Little at 2, Norwood slot.

    Late in Draft: It would be nice to use a later pick 4, 5, 6 round or so on a quarterback like Kirk Cousins or John Brantley to put a little bit of pressure on McCoy because he knows he will not lose the job to Seneca. Also, Bobby Rainey from Western Kentucky is leading the nation in rushing and has a similar stature to MJD, Ray Rice, and Michael Turner. Remember there are a lot of playermakers in the NFL that are not from big schools i.e. UCLA, Rutgers, Northern Illinois.

    I hope this helps because I really believe what I'm saying here.

  • Also, I think McCoy should get the nod going into next year with a fair chance to prove himself behind an improved offensive line and a legitimate #1 receiver. You don't build a team by blowing 1st round picks on quarterbacks every 2 years. Build the core first and at a later date plug in a quarterback. It makes the transition a lot easier and quicker i.e. Aaron Rodgers!!

  • Also, I think McCoy should get the nod going into next year with a fair chance to prove himself behind an improved offensive line and a legitimate #1 receiver. You don't build a team by blowing 1st round picks on quarterbacks every 2 years. Build the core first and at a later date plug in a quarterback. It makes the transition a lot easier and quicker i.e. Aaron Rodgers!!

    @dawginit said:

    Also, I think McCoy should get the nod going into next year with a fair chance to prove himself behind an improved offensive line and a legitimate #1 receiver. You don't build a team by blowing 1st round picks on quarterbacks every 2 years. Build the core first and at a later date plug in a quarterback. It makes the transition a lot easier and quicker i.e. Aaron Rodgers!!

    Generally you are correct, but McCoy was a 3rd round pick. Contrary to popular belief, the Browns have only spent 2 1st round picks on quarterbacks since 1999. Couch in 1999 and Quinn in 2007. I wouldn't be that opposed to drafting a QB in 2012 but I don't particularly want to..

  • @dawginit said:

    Also, I think McCoy should get the nod going into next year with a fair chance to prove himself behind an improved offensive line and a legitimate #1 receiver. You don't build a team by blowing 1st round picks on quarterbacks every 2 years. Build the core first and at a later date plug in a quarterback. It makes the transition a lot easier and quicker i.e. Aaron Rodgers!!

    Generally you are correct, but McCoy was a 3rd round pick. Contrary to popular belief, the Browns have only spent 2 1st round picks on quarterbacks since 1999. Couch in 1999 and Quinn in 2007. I wouldn't be that opposed to drafting a QB in 2012 but I don't particularly want to..

    @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    Generally you are correct, but McCoy was a 3rd round pick. Contrary to popular belief, the Browns have only spent 2 1st round picks on quarterbacks since 1999. Couch in 1999 and Quinn in 2007. I wouldn't be that opposed to drafting a QB in 2012 but I don't particularly want to..

    Yes you are right I was exaggerating some to prove a point but I woul hope you would agree that you are never going to build a team by changing the most key position every 2 years. The Steelers, Ravens, and Packers all had pretty good teams when they plugged in Big Ben, Flacco, and Rodgers and it has worked pretty well for them. Build the team first, defense especially, then when that's done, if McCoy or whoever is not the guy, go get a new one.

  • @bringbackbrownie2 said:

    Generally you are correct, but McCoy was a 3rd round pick. Contrary to popular belief, the Browns have only spent 2 1st round picks on quarterbacks since 1999. Couch in 1999 and Quinn in 2007. I wouldn't be that opposed to drafting a QB in 2012 but I don't particularly want to..

    Yes you are right I was exaggerating some to prove a point but I woul hope you would agree that you are never going to build a team by changing the most key position every 2 years. The Steelers, Ravens, and Packers all had pretty good teams when they plugged in Big Ben, Flacco, and Rodgers and it has worked pretty well for them. Build the team first, defense especially, then when that's done, if McCoy or whoever is not the guy, go get a new one.

    @dawginit said:

    Yes you are right I was exaggerating some to prove a point but I woul hope you would agree that you are never going to build a team by changing the most key position every 2 years. The Steelers, Ravens, and Packers all had pretty good teams when they plugged in Big Ben, Flacco, and Rodgers and it has worked pretty well for them. Build the team first, defense especially, then when that's done, if McCoy or whoever is not the guy, go get a new one.

    You could give McCoy 4 Jerry Rices and he still couldn't do what Fat Ben does.

    I'm all for drafting a QB every year if that's what it takes. Your not building anything without a good one.

  • @dawginit said:

    Yes you are right I was exaggerating some to prove a point but I woul hope you would agree that you are never going to build a team by changing the most key position every 2 years. The Steelers, Ravens, and Packers all had pretty good teams when they plugged in Big Ben, Flacco, and Rodgers and it has worked pretty well for them. Build the team first, defense especially, then when that's done, if McCoy or whoever is not the guy, go get a new one.

    You could give McCoy 4 Jerry Rices and he still couldn't do what Fat Ben does.

    I'm all for drafting a QB every year if that's what it takes. Your not building anything without a good one.

    @htownbrown said:

    You could give McCoy 4 Jerry Rices and he still couldn't do what Fat Ben does.

    I'm all for drafting a QB every year if that's what it takes. Your not building anything without a good one.

    But that's just it. The Browns would be drafting a new QB every year for eternity if they don't get any other playmakers to complement the QB. I would rather wait until 2013 to spend a high draft pick on a QB unless the 2013 draft is supposed to be crap for QBs (I'm not really sure). Use the 2012 draft on Wrs, RBs, and LBs. McCoy hasn't been winning us games but he hasn't been throwing away games either..

  • When we find our QB we will know it. The search will end. Then we can enjoy football again. We can draft a wr and qb in the same draft ya know.

  • @dawginit said:

    Yes you are right I was exaggerating some to prove a point but I woul hope you would agree that you are never going to build a team by changing the most key position every 2 years. The Steelers, Ravens, and Packers all had pretty good teams when they plugged in Big Ben, Flacco, and Rodgers and it has worked pretty well for them. Build the team first, defense especially, then when that's done, if McCoy or whoever is not the guy, go get a new one.

    You could give McCoy 4 Jerry Rices and he still couldn't do what Fat Ben does.

    I'm all for drafting a QB every year if that's what it takes. Your not building anything without a good one.

    @htownbrown said:

    You could give McCoy 4 Jerry Rices and he still couldn't do what Fat Ben does.

    I'm all for drafting a QB every year if that's what it takes. Your not building anything without a good one.

    Except of course history tells us that is not true. If you have the defense, the running game, the OL etc. you can have an average QB. I mean, the likes of Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson were not killer QBs.

    Sure, you are better off having a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady or a Drew Brees, but it can be done without a QB of that quality. I say build up the rest of the team, then plug in the QB as the last piece of the puzzle....the same way Pittsburgh did it.