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Why Heckert Won't Pull The Trigger On Rg3

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  • Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.

    @tour2ma said:

    Sorry, but other than #5 your points read like a case against Colt... You are making me reconsider my previous support of him.

    It's simply a list of things he could get better at.

    Every QB in the league has 5 things they could improve on.

    McCoy is the real deal, but we want the flavor of the month RG30000 TI-80 bot sent from the future to kill Sarah Connor.

    Give McCoy the two T's, Time, Talent. Talent comes first.

  • I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.

    Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.

    You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.

    Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.

  • I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.

    Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.

    You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.

    Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.

    jparsh said:

    I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.

    lmao....i love it. there's so many thing wrong with this....all rolled up into one....that im having a hard time determining where to begin. um...you cant know #2) because you know #1) with 100% certainty....

    Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.

    exactly what metric are you using for this assertion besides win loss record?

    You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.

    there's more to "nfl caliber throws" than 5 yard hitches and the deep ball. perhaps griffin knows how to throw an out route....but we dont know cause he possibly hasn't ever thrown one....or taken a snap from under center. 6'1" 216 vs. 6"2" 220? youre even gonna mention size?

    Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.
    well, except all the similarities of conference, stats, opponents, size, smarts, system, few deficiencies....but youre right....no comparison.
  • Choco, it's completely reasonable to give a hypothetical outcome to an unlikely scenario. I know we won't trade Colt and I know that his lack luster performance wouldn't garner huge value if he was indeed traded. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

    As for everything else, all I'll do is defer to the GM's across the league that agree with me and not with you. They feel that Griffin is worthy of a top pick in the draft while most didn't give McCoy a second look. But if you're one of the fans who know more than everyone else than I suggest you waste no more time and get involved in some sort of role at in a football program somewhere and your expertise at recognizing McCoys and Griffins erie similarities will no doubt shoot you up through the ranks with a sure fire endpoint of being an NFL GM. Good luck on that one. But until then you're some guy on a message board trying to pull rank and knock a legitimate point made by an informed fan.

  • I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.

    Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.

    You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.

    Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.

    Sniff, sniff... Did someone just fart or is that an air of superiority I smell?

    jparsh said:

    I can say two things with nearly 100% certainty. 1) Colt won't be traded 2) if we did trade Colt we wouldn't get anything more than a 4th round pick for him and that's pushing it.

    Pure numbers can't be used, variables need to be taken into account. And the fact that you have two big 12 QB's has nothing to do with it like one person pointed out. Texas was loaded with talent top to bottom. McCoy was working with an elite group of college players and looked good. RG3 had to turn a very subpar Baylor team into contenders with teams that had hands down more talent then they did.

    You then have to look at NFL caliber throws, McCoy never made those throws while Griffin did. Size: that goes to RG3 as well, granted not by much but he's still bigger. Not to mention that McCoy is a solid runner but he's not near the athlete Robert Griffin is.

    Bottom line, there's no comparison between Colt and Robert.

    If the Browns take RGIII, they need to trade Colt. If they don't, I guarantee you that there will be a QB controversy in CLE... and they tear apart teams as well as fan bases. Wallace is an adequate back up and virtually identical in style to RG. That alone would simplify game planning, practices, etc.

    Stats are meaningful. In Colt's career stats you can see that '08 was his best year, but in '09, after much of that "elite talent" had left, his production drop off was not that great.

    Passing Rushing

    Season Team GP Rating Att Comp Pct Yds TD INT Att Yds TD

    2006 Texas 13 161.8 318 217 68.2 2,570 29 7 68 170 2

    2007 Texas 13 139.2 424 276 65.1 3,303 22 18 114 510 4

    2008 Texas 13 173.75 433 332 76.7 3,859 34 8 136 561 11

    2009 Texas 14 147.41 470 332 70.6 3,521 27 12 129 348 3

    . . Totals 53 158.25 1,645 1,157 70.3 13,253 112 45 447 1,589 20

    As for Colt's elite Texas teammates... most of them played defense. The offensive studs were gone by his senior year. If I missed some, please point out who.

    Yr Rnd Pick

    2011 2 34 Aaron Williams DB Buffalo Bills

    2011 3 95 Curtis Brown DB Pittsburgh Steelers

    2011 4 103 Sam Acho LB Arizona Cardinals

    2011 5 164 Chykie Brown DB Baltimore Ravens

    2010 1 14 Earl Thomas FS Seattle Seahawks

    2010 2 43 Sergio Kindle LB Baltimore Ravens

    2010 2 44 Lamarr Houston DE Oakland Raiders

    2010 3 84 Jordan Shipley WR Cincinnati Bengals --- IR

    2010 3 85 Colt McCoy QB Cleveland Browns

    2010 4 131 Roddrick Muckelroy LB Cincinnati Bengals

    2009 1 13 Brian Orakpo DE Washington Redskins

    2009 3 81 Roy Miller DT Tampa Bay Buccaneers

    2009 4 105 Henry Melton DE Chicago Bears

    2009 7 211 Chris Ogbonnaya RB St. Louis Rams --- 3 team in 3 years

    2008 2 53 Limas Sweed WR Pittsburgh Steelers --- Out of League

    2008 3 73 Jamaal Charles RB Kansas City Chiefs --- KC Starter

    2008 3 91 Jermichael Finley TE Green Bay Packers --- GB starter

    2008 4 130 Tony Hills T Pittsburgh Steelers --- 2 starts; now a DNV back-up

    2008 5 151 Frank Okam DT Houston Texans

    2007 1 19 Michael Griffin FS Tennessee Titans

    2007 1 20 Aaron Ross CB New York Giants

    2007 2 39 Justin Blalock G Atlanta Falcons --- 5-yr starter

    2007 2 56 Tim Crowder DE Denver Broncos

    2007 4 102 Brian Robison DE Minnesota Vikings

    2007 5 147 Tarell Brown CB San Francisco 49ers

    2007 6 183 Kasey Studdard G Houston Texans --- Out of league

    For contrast let's look at all the schmucks RG with whom RG was stuck. Hmmmm... It would seem he played or is coming out with a number of draft-worthy offensive mates. Interesting...

    Baylor

    2012 15 Kendall Wright WR 3 Baylor Sr 5-10 190 1 4.42

    2012 3 *Robert Griffin III QB 2 Baylor rJr 6-2 220 1 4.52

    2012 164 Terrance Ganaway RB 16 Baylor rSr 5-11 240 5 4.62

    2012 178 Nicolas Jean-Baptiste DT 17 Baylor rSr 6-2 335 5 5.06

    2012 171 Philip Blake C 6 Baylor Sr 6-2 320 5 5.26

    2012 501 Robert T. Griffin OG 30 Baylor Sr 6-6 330 5.38

    2011 1 21 Phillip Taylor DT Cleveland Browns

    2011 1 23 Danny Watkins G Philadelphia Eagles

    2011 7 216 Mikail Baker DB St. Louis Rams

    2011 7 246 Jay Finley RB Cincinnati Bengals

    2010 3 80 J.D. Walton C Denver Broncos

    2010 6 198 David Gettis WR Carolina Panthers

    As for arm strength... no doubt RG has a stronger arm. Ditto for the legs... As I've posted elsewhere, those are reasons to not draft him, unless he has the aptitude and work ethic to compliment them. As for Colt he made plenty of throws he needed to make at the college level as well. NFL caliber? Pffft.. you write as if throwing through a brick wall was the only thing that matters. It's not...

    Disagree on Colt's value... easily worth a 3rd, IMO, at least a conditional 3rd. However, if teams sense an urgency to move him, then obviously his value drops.

  • I believe Colt is making less than Seneca. If that is the case, Colt would make a serviceble back up.