#4 #22

[Nw220]

Problem is no way does Richardson make it past the Bungles or Jets to Cleveland they would both jump on him before we got the chance and i wouldnt take him with the 4th pick, as far as the Washington trading with St.Louis there could be one peice that could unfold before the draft which is if Dan Snyder makes a play for Matt Flynn and dosent wanna waiger the possibility of working out a trade to get RG3,theres a good possiblity they couldnt and would you wanna take that bet. That might mean they would have to reach at 6 for Ryan Tannehill

I think Washington Signs Flynn because they have never been afraid to spend money, or they could all throw us a curve ball and get Peyton Manning...

But yes there is a good possiblity they could move up with St.Louis but nothing is set in stone, wait until after F/A first.

[Vizion]

@nw220 said:

Problem is no way does Richardson make it past the Bungles or Jets to Cleveland they would both jump on him before we got the chance and i wouldnt take him with the 4th pick, as far as the Washington trading with St.Louis there could be one peice that could unfold before the draft which is if Dan Snyder makes a play for Matt Flynn and dosent wanna waiger the possibility of working out a trade to get RG3,theres a good possiblity they couldnt and would you wanna take that bet. That might mean they would have to reach at 6 for Ryan Tannehill

I think Washington Signs Flynn because they have never been afraid to spend money, or they could all throw us a curve ball and get Peyton Manning...

But yes there is a good possiblity they could move up with St.Louis but nothing is set in stone, wait until after F/A first.

You're probably right about Richardson not making it past the Bengals or the Jets.

Tannenhill has a significant foot injury and won't be in the Senior Bowl. I think his best chance of impressing the Redskins and them possibly drafting him just went out the window.

I actually expect Flynn to be a Brown. After the fiascos of McNabb, Grossman and Beck I don't think Shanahan is going to get another QB from another team. He traded up to get Jay Cutler when he really wanted him, I expect him to do the same this year. Holmgren has never drafted a QB in the first round and his history shows that he likes QB's who have some NFL experience. I am not completely sold on Flynn as I think two games is not enough of a sample size, but bringing him in to compete with McCoy isn't a terrible idea. He's only 26 years old too and learned under one of the best and most productive teams/offensive systems in football - a system not unlike the one they have been trying to implement here.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

Luck goes to Indy, Blackmon to Rams, Kalil to Vikings

#4- trade back with Seattle, of all teams, at #12 so they can surprisngly grab RG3. Acquire their 2nd round pick plus 1st or 2nd round pick in 2013.

#12- Alshon Jeffery WR- USC, assuming he has a bad combine and is available. If not, Floyd will suffice.

#22-Zach Brown OLB- UNC.

#36-Vinny Curry DE- Marshall. Perfect rush end opposite Sheard.

#44- Andrew Datko OT-FSU

[Kosar_For_President]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Luck goes to Indy, Blackmon to Rams, Kalil to Vikings

#4- trade back with Seattle, of all teams, at #12 so they can surprisngly grab RG3. Acquire their 2nd round pick plus 1st or 2nd round pick in 2013.

#12- Alshon Jeffery WR- USC, assuming he has a bad combine and is available. If not, Floyd will suffice.

#22-Zach Brown OLB- UNC.

#36-Vinny Curry DE- Marshall. Perfect rush end opposite Sheard.

#44- Andrew Datko OT-FSU

Not bad Couch, only if Blackmon is gone though

I saw your .gif and had to post this.

[bringbackbrownie2]

@miktoxic said:

you might be new here but you make more sense than a lot of people who've been here for a while.

keep #4 and get blackmon or trade down.

and what i saw of richardson last night doesn't inspire me to get him @ #22. who did jump off the screen last night was the LB hightower from alabama.

if we could get a wr, lb and cb with the first 3 picks.............party over here!

I agree with taking Blackmon or trading down (for another 2nd rounder). But I still think Heckert will want to grab a DE with our #22 pick. Nick Perry USC, Sam Montgomery LSU, and Whitney Mercilus could all be available to fix our need for another pass rusher at RE to complement Sheard. If we do trade down with our #4 overall pick to get another 2nd rounder, our draft could look like this:

?? WR (depend on who we trade down with - but still in the 1st round before our #22 pick)

#22 DE

#37 CB

?? RB (again this would depend on who we would trade down with- but still in the 2nd round)

Then our 3rd and 4th rounders can be used on linebackers, another Wide receiver, and a QB. Unless Heckert again decides to trade away our 3rd rounder or one of our 4ths to move up a few spots in the 2nd round to grab a specific RB.. He has done this the past couple years so it wouldn't surprise me. Then we might have only a 3rd round or 4th round pick left to grab a LB or a QB..

[bringbackbrownie2]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Luck goes to Indy, Blackmon to Rams, Kalil to Vikings

#4- trade back with Seattle, of all teams, at #12 so they can surprisngly grab RG3. Acquire their 2nd round pick plus 1st or 2nd round pick in 2013.

#12- Alshon Jeffery WR- USC, assuming he has a bad combine and is available. If not, Floyd will suffice.

#22-Zach Brown OLB- UNC.

#36-Vinny Curry DE- Marshall. Perfect rush end opposite Sheard.

#44- Andrew Datko OT-FSU

This seems very possible. Heckert will want a WR and DE early in the draft. The only reason I don't think Heckert will draft a LB that high is I'm not convinced Brown will still be on the board for our #22 pick. Also if Hillis isn't resigned, we will need a RB at some point. But maybe we can wait until the 3rd or 4th round for that..

[BrownIndian]

@bringbackbrownie2 said:

This seems very possible. Heckert will want a WR and DE early in the draft. The only reason I don't think Heckert will draft a LB that high is I'm not convinced Brown will still be on the board for our #22 pick. Also if Hillis isn't resigned, we will need a RB at some point. But maybe we can wait until the 3rd or 4th round for that..

Do we know for sure that Trent Richardson is not going to declare for the draft ?

[jparsh]

@vizion said:

I am not too fond of drafting RB's high, but I really think there is a very small chance that Hillis will still be here. If he isn't, and after reading Holmgren's interview, I think he views the key to any QB (specifically Colt's) success as a team having a strong running game so I can see him drafting Richardson. I think Hightower is a stud, I just don't know if he'll be around at #22. The Eagles really really need linebackers.

I know that most people here are very pro-Blackmon, but what would people think of trading down and maybe getting Floyd and an extra offensive lineman with the pick we get from whoever we trade with? If we don't take Richardson but trade down with a team that really needs an RB, we could further build through the draft. I think we should use this draft to fill as many holes possible but still getting quality players who can be productive at skill positions.

You are 110% correct in your feeling about drafting RB's high. They are a dime a dozen. This year there were 14 RB's with over 1,000 and there would have been more if it weren't for injuries to guys like McFadden and Peterson.

If you go down the list of top rated RB's you don't see a high drafted RB there. Look at the Browns roster, there isn't a high rounder in the bunch and if it weren't for injuries and drama, we could have easily had a 1,000 yard rusher on our team.

[jparsh]

@brownindian said:

Do we know for sure that Trent Richardson is not going to declare for the draft ?

If I were Richardson I'd stay back to try to make people forget about that crap ass performance last night.

[jparsh]

@tim-couch-pulls-out said:

Luck goes to Indy, Blackmon to Rams, Kalil to Vikings

#4- trade back with Seattle, of all teams, at #12 so they can surprisngly grab RG3. Acquire their 2nd round pick plus 1st or 2nd round pick in 2013.

#12- Alshon Jeffery WR- USC, assuming he has a bad combine and is available. If not, Floyd will suffice.

#22-Zach Brown OLB- UNC.

#36-Vinny Curry DE- Marshall. Perfect rush end opposite Sheard.

#44- Andrew Datko OT-FSU

Moving up those few spots wouldn't warrant a #1 at all, we'd swap 1's and probably grab a 2 this year. But that would crazy to give up that pick for a 2nd rounder.

[bringbackbrownie2]

@brownindian said:

Do we know for sure that Trent Richardson is not going to declare for the draft ?

He still could but Heckert won't use a 1st rounder on a runningback. So unless Richardson lasts until the 2nd round (unlikely), he won't be on the Browns next year..

[ballpeen]

Zombo said:

Ryan Tannehill?

What time did you start drinking the 'shine this morning?

Zombo

Man , I am from Tennessee. We do that all the time. Right??

I like him.

[Tim Couch Pulls Out]

jparsh said:

Moving up those few spots wouldn't warrant a #1 at all, we'd swap 1's and probably grab a 2 this year. But that would crazy to give up that pick for a 2nd rounder.

It would warrant a #1 if Pete Carroll believes RG3 to be their franchise QB.

If they were moving up for, say, a WR or a defensive player, then by no means would I expect a #1 in return. But franchise QB's are different. If RG3 is a QB that Carroll believes will be the face of the franchise for the next 10 years, and knowing full well that Washington will grab him at 5, Heckert holds all the chips. And you can be sure he'll get a future first for that pick.

I don't believe our FA is sold on RG3, or any of the QB's in this draft. I feel they will either make a play for Flynn or draft Landry Jones next year. Assuming, of course, Washington doesn't sell the farm to move up to 2 and take RG3, I honestly believe we'll be in a perfect position to acquire more picks without having to move back 20 spaces.

[beefjerky]

@poeticg said:

RG3 and Colt McCoy are the same. Colt is IMO better than RG3... why would you want to spend the number 4 overall pick of the Draft to draft a guy you already have on the team? In fact, it may even be a downgrade to what you already have... but seems as how this FO released Vickers and signed Marecic, I see how you'd come to the conclusion we take RG3

They're nothing alike. I like Colt but there's only so many excuses he can get for having a slow release, and a low velocity throw.

that being said I'm not 100% sold on RGIII, his pocket awareness seems to be lacking(a rusher will be right next to him and he won't even sense it)

[choco]

jparsh said:

Moving up those few spots wouldn't warrant a #1 at all, we'd swap 1's and probably grab a 2 this year. But that would crazy to give up that pick for a 2nd rounder.

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

pick #4 - 1800

pick #12 - 1200

pick #44 - 460

pick #76 - 210

seattle to #4 would cost a swap of the 1's, plus their 2nd and 3rd this year, or simply a 1st next year.

[jparsh]

@choco said:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

pick #4 - 1800

pick #12 - 1200

pick #44 - 460

pick #76 - 210

seattle to #4 would cost a swap of the 1's, plus their 2nd and 3rd this year, or simply a 1st next year.

Seattle would be a tad more, but I was judging it on the Redskind or Dolphins. But anyway, I don't think even the Seahawks would have to give us their 2nd and 3rd. That's too many points. I knew the trades were based on a system. A bunch of people on here were trying to say that it depends on how much a team wants a player, that's not how professional sports works. You have rules that govern these kinds of things. Kinda like the person who says to trade Daniel Gibson for Dwight Howard ignoring the fact that the salaries don't match up (and that nobody in their right mind would make a trade comparable to that)

[Dirty Hands]

My new interesting theory on the picks kind of a lion's move....seems to be a lot of nay sayers for richardson at the 4th interesting thought what about blackmon 4th and wright 22nd? gives us 2 good receivers on the outsides with little and blackmon and wright fills the slot let's cribbs focus on what he does best special teams and would make him a match-up issue with 4 WR sets

[Dirty Hands]

Then we would really be able to evaluate colt as well... If he couldn't succeed with those receivers pull the plug

[Kosar_For_President]

@choco said:

http://walterfootball.com/draftchart.php

pick #4 - 1800

pick #12 - 1200

pick #44 - 460

pick #76 - 210

seattle to #4 would cost a swap of the 1's, plus their 2nd and 3rd this year, or simply a 1st next year.

Nice post, I had no clue.

[BrownsKidd]

@dirty-hands said:

My new interesting theory on the picks kind of a lion's move....seems to be a lot of nay sayers for richardson at the 4th interesting thought what about blackmon 4th and wright 22nd? gives us 2 good receivers on the outsides with little and blackmon and wright fills the slot let's cribbs focus on what he does best special teams and would make him a match-up issue with 4 WR sets

I've thought about that. What if they take Blackmon and Wright. Doubt that it will happen, but it sure would give us the chance to see how good our QB's are. But a WCO needs WR's. Could you imagine Blackmon, Wright, Little & Cribs... That could be very interesting. However, you wonder what kind of ego's would be coming to camp.

Right now I'm leaning to grab RG3 and Wright, I hope that can happen. But we will see.