Jim Tressel H.c. Of The I.c.?
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How do you reconcile the fact that after he DID report it....and it WAS Tressel who reported it....and it was Tressel who told them the first time that he did not report the violation....that the NCAA allowed the players to play even knowing what they did?
They essentially said: we know you violated our archaic rules, we know the coach didn't report you....we have all the facts....but we are going to ignore everything and allow you to play in the Sugar Bowl.
Explain that.
Two corrupt, incompetent organizations do not make a right.
The NCAA shouldn't have let them play in the Sugar Bowl.
Tressel shouldn't have lied to the NCAA and played players he knew were ineligible.
Two corrupt, incompetent organizations do not make a right.
Are we talking about Michigan,who in 2009 admitted to NCAA allegations that they practiced too soon and too long according to NCAA rules?
Then being a stand up institution, they are,gave themselves a self imposed slap on the wrist to pacify the NCAA
Let's see which rule infraction "should" make your team better?
Trinkets for Tattoos ?
Practicing when the rules say your not allowed ?
But you see all was forgiven , because Michigan sucked
The NCAA shouldn't have let them play in the Sugar Bowl
The problem here is the NCAA couldn't guarantee the fine sponsors of the "Whogivesashit Sugar Bowl" anyone would show if OSU doesn't
show with all it's star power
My question is...If Ohio State has to forfeit it's win from the Sugar Bowl because of infractions the NCAA knew about
Shouldn't they also have to give up their share of the take from playing in a BCS game? Which they split evenly with the rest of the Big Ten
I believe it's around 20 million per game for a BCS purse...So I say come on boys...lets all pony up that ill gotten cash , and give back to it's rightful owner
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I'm not going to debate the legitimacy or competence of the NCAA and their rules. I am just here to state that Tressel lied to the NCAA and broke the rules.
and yes, Rich Rod did get caught practicing too long (about 20 minutes a day). Most of which was stretching and warm ups, but it was still against the rules. It was something most schools do and many coaches defended him on it, including Tressel, but that doesn't change the fact it was against the rules. I'm very disappointed that Rich Rod tainted the name of Michigan and Michigan football. I don't believe what Rich Rod did was as bad as Tressel, as we worked with the NCAA the entire way and imposed our own adequate and fair punishments, unlike Tressel and OSU. It also doesn't help when you have fatass pussies transferring away because they don't have the endurance for the spread {Boren) so on the way out they try to hurt the program as much as they can.
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
How do you reconcile the fact that after he DID report it....and it WAS Tressel who reported it....and it was Tressel who told them the first time that he did not report the violation....that the NCAA allowed the players to play even knowing what they did?
They essentially said: we know you violated our archaic rules, we know the coach didn't report you....we have all the facts....but we are going to ignore everything and allow you to play in the Sugar Bowl.
Explain that.
Two corrupt, incompetent organizations do not make a right.
The NCAA shouldn't have let them play in the Sugar Bowl.
Tressel shouldn't have lied to the NCAA and played players he knew were ineligible.
Two corrupt, incompetent organizations do not make a right.
The NCAA shouldn't have let them play in the Sugar Bowl.
Tressel shouldn't have lied to the NCAA and played players he knew were ineligible.
Except, of course, no on is ineligible until the NCAA declares them ineligible.
The NCAA ALLOWED to play AFTER what they knew what they did. If the NCAA didn't declare them ineligible when they knew the facts why should Tressel declare them ineligible?
Tressel's problem was in failing to report the potential violations, sure.
Here is the point: nothing that Tressel or these players did was either corrupt or incompetent. All these were were technical rules violations.
So, you go a little fast on the highway...a minor technical violation...neither corrupt nor incompetent, just a violation.
Then you lie to the cop that stops you. You get a charge for falsification. More serious than the speeding violation, but still a technical violation.
Cops and the NCAA both want YOU to make their job easy for them...so they make it a serious violation if you inconvenience them.If he had just reported it, this situation would have been nothing at all. Since he didn't, that is where the big trouble came from. If in fact the FBI told him not to report it, then that should have been a mitigating factor that woulda/shoulda absolved him completely. (but that is not what happened from my understanding)
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I'm not going to debate the legitimacy or competence of the NCAA and their rules. I am just here to state that Tressel lied to the NCAA and broke the rules.
and yes, Rich Rod did get caught practicing too long (about 20 minutes a day). Most of which was stretching and warm ups, but it was still against the rules. It was something most schools do and many coaches defended him on it, including Tressel, but that doesn't change the fact it was against the rules. I'm very disappointed that Rich Rod tainted the name of Michigan and Michigan football. I don't believe what Rich Rod did was as bad as Tressel, as we worked with the NCAA the entire way and imposed our own adequate and fair punishments, unlike Tressel and OSU. It also doesn't help when you have fatass pussies transferring away because they don't have the endurance for the spread {Boren) so on the way out they try to hurt the program as much as they can.
I'm not going to debate the legitimacy or competence of the NCAA and their rules. I am just here to state that Tressel lied to the NCAA and broke the rules.
and yes, Rich Rod did get caught practicing too long (about 20 minutes a day). Most of which was stretching and warm ups, but it was still against the rules. It was something most schools do and many coaches defended him on it, including Tressel, but that doesn't change the fact it was against the rules. I'm very disappointed that Rich Rod tainted the name of Michigan and Michigan football. I don't believe what Rich Rod did was as bad as Tressel, as we worked with the NCAA the entire way and imposed our own adequate and fair punishments, unlike Tressel and OSU. It also doesn't help when you have fatass pussies transferring away because they don't have the endurance for the spread {Boren) so on the way out they try to hurt the program as much as they can.
It wasn't Rich Rod who tainted the name of Michigan.
It was Michigan that tainted the name of Michigan.
Tressel asking for an extension of his punishment, and then ultimately resigning isn't a fair punishment? What world do you live in?
I also guarantee you wouldn't call Boren a fat pussy to his face, nor would you do it to someone a quarter of his size.
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Asking for extended punishment, when your punishment was nothing to begin with, isn't noble. Especially when you eventually had to resign to help the university save face anyway, making the earlier punishment null and void.
Besides, I was talking about the punishment the university put on itself. Their original punishment was nothing, then the NCAA added to it and at least got it up to adequate. Compared to what USC got, they sure feel awfully lucky
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Well this thread took a turn for the boring. Both teams got caught, move on. Just consider yourselves lucky the punishments received/imposed are mere slaps on the wrist.
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Well this thread took a turn for the boring. Both teams got caught, move on. Just consider yourselves lucky the punishments received/imposed are mere slaps on the wrist.
Well this thread took a turn for the boring. Both teams got caught, move on. Just consider yourselves lucky the punishments received/imposed are mere slaps on the wrist.
Very true.
I don't understand why MLD is complaining. If it weren't for Tressel resigning, Michigan would still be searching for that elusive win against TOSU.
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Zombo said:
If ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
Tressel won tons of games, brought millions to the university, and helped many a "narcissistic athlete" turn in to a promising young man.
He's not a Preacher, he's a football coach ... get over it.
Zombo
get over what? youre confusing my apathy with contempt. the guy was a hypocrite....he may not be a preacher, but he sure preached alot about integrity, respect, honesty....
if youre not cheating youre not trying? please Z.....thats just too sad to respond to. he's not special to anyone else other than buck fans....just another cheater in the long list of cheaters. whereas the circumstances surrounding the issue seem to matter to buck fans, they dont to anyone else. i dont remember anyone here crying bloody murder when carroll was in the heat.
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pollyanna my ass, it's people like you that settle for "what ever" that's the problem! But boy-o-boy, bet you wouldn't settle for it in your house, would you? Your wife is out bangin the milkman and she Cliff Claven's you back with your stupid percentages that, 86.2 percent of the women in her age group are bangin the milkman. You going to accept that standard? Choco hit the nail on the head but your just like the Rep & Dem cheerleaders that just sticks to a side no matter how wrong you are. It's not greatness if by default!
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Not every program cheats as hard as OSU did... this isn't the SEC
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
How many illegal hours of practice did Michigan hold this week?
Those actions are worse than what Tressel did, and are an indictment of the university and not just RichRod. It wasn't just "stretching and warm ups" - it was 20+ hours each week. Your penalties weren't "adequate and fair" - get over it, you're wrong.
The entire university of Michigan is nothing but a bunch of lying cheaters, far worse than Ohio State.
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Asking for extended punishment, when your punishment was nothing to begin with, isn't noble. Especially when you eventually had to resign to help the university save face anyway, making the earlier punishment null and void.
Besides, I was talking about the punishment the university put on itself. Their original punishment was nothing, then the NCAA added to it and at least got it up to adequate. Compared to what USC got, they sure feel awfully lucky
Asking for extended punishment, when your punishment was nothing to begin with, isn't noble. Especially when you eventually had to resign to help the university save face anyway, making the earlier punishment null and void.
Besides, I was talking about the punishment the university put on itself. Their original punishment was nothing, then the NCAA added to it and at least got it up to adequate. Compared to what USC got, they sure feel awfully lucky
Who are you to judge what the punishment should be? To determine that it was sufficient? You're just a snot nosed kid.
I think the punishment that OSU put on itself was just fine....and the NCAA didn't really add anything at all to it except the one year of Bowl ineligibility....which really was a makeup for the NCAA's failure to do anything when they already knew the facts.
All the NCAA wanted to do was to defer the financial loss some bowl would sustain from not having OSU in there. The NCAA allowed OSU to play in two Bowl games after they knew ALL the facts about this case.
EVERYTHING done here was all about saving face.
And Tressel was NEVER required to resign...and I doubt seriously if OSU would have ever actually fired him.
And for all we know....it may have been the best thing for Tressel as it is a very good possibility that he will be named HC of the Indianapolis Colts and have Andrew Luck to coach in the next few years.
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Not every program cheats as hard as OSU did... this isn't the SEC
Right, I assure you that anything that OSU did or what any Big Ten school does pales in comparison to what SEC schools do.
200K from Mississippi St. for a starting QB? Fair market value.....and that is for MSU. Alabama and LSU probably pay a half million.
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Well this thread took a turn for the boring. Both teams got caught, move on. Just consider yourselves lucky the punishments received/imposed are mere slaps on the wrist.
Well this thread took a turn for the boring. Both teams got caught, move on. Just consider yourselves lucky the punishments received/imposed are mere slaps on the wrist.
OK, lets bring back on point. Tressel is still in the running, but other names that have cropped up are: Chuck Pagano, Ravens DC. Brad Seely, Niners special teams coach. Even Marc Trestman who is coaching in Canada:
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!
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Zombo said:
Every single major college football and basketball program twists and manipulates the rules and tries to get around them with out getting caught. Every single one of them.
He got caught.
You hit the nail on the head Z, A majority of the powerhouse programs break or skirt the rules for a competitive advantage. There's just too much money involved in college football and the coaches are pressured to do whatever they can to get the job done.. they ALL do it, and it was just our turn to get pinched.
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Pagano it is. I was actually enjoying how off topic this thread turned into but bickering about who's wronger in past transgressions between Ohio State and Michigan is pretty boring. Concerning the SEC, Les Miles is a major NCAA infraction just waiting to happen. I can't wait to see that scumbag crash and burn.
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How many illegal hours of practice did Michigan hold this week?
Those actions are worse than what Tressel did, and are an indictment of the university and not just RichRod. It wasn't just "stretching and warm ups" - it was 20+ hours each week. Your penalties weren't "adequate and fair" - get over it, you're wrong.
The entire university of Michigan is nothing but a bunch of lying cheaters, far worse than Ohio State.
Do I really have to go correct this? I am considering it, but I think my effort would just be wasted on you guys.
Who are you to judge what the punishment should be? To determine that it was sufficient? You're just a snot nosed kid.
I think the punishment that OSU put on itself was just fine....and the NCAA didn't really add anything at all to it except the one year of Bowl ineligibility....which really was a makeup for the NCAA's failure to do anything when they already knew the facts.
All the NCAA wanted to do was to defer the financial loss some bowl would sustain from not having OSU in there. The NCAA allowed OSU to play in two Bowl games after they knew ALL the facts about this case.
EVERYTHING done here was all about saving face.
And Tressel was NEVER required to resign...and I doubt seriously if OSU would have ever actually fired him.
And for all we know....it may have been the best thing for Tressel as it is a very good possibility that he will be named HC of the Indianapolis Colts and have Andrew Luck to coach in the next few years.
The NCAA also added more scholarships lost.
I was basing my judgement on what is fair on what a lot of "experts" were saying but also mostly on what happened to USC.
Tressel wasn't required to resign like Carr wasn't required to resign...
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Pagano it is. I was actually enjoying how off topic this thread turned into but bickering about who's wronger in past transgressions between Ohio State and Michigan is pretty boring. Concerning the SEC, Les Miles is a major NCAA infraction just waiting to happen. I can't wait to see that scumbag crash and burn.
Everyone knows the SEC is where rules and ethics go to die
Oversigning
Paying players
Abusing medical hardships....
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Hot off the wire from Colt's headquarters: J. Tressel was caught with a large dinner napkin while in the act of covering up some shit in the corner.....no head coach fo you!
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