And After Last Night's Giants Win.....
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all in all i thought it was a boring super bowl even though it had it's moments of drama. one thing for sure though is i walked away from it believing more and more that we need to target some 5 star defensive players. and so does terry pluto:
1. For the last few weeks, I'd been hearing about the Browns going defense with the No. 4 pick, focusing on LSU cornerback Morris Clairborne. It's no secret Holmgren/Tom Heckert like lots of good cornerbacks, and Claiborne is the best. The Browns have Joe Haden at one spot, and Sheldon Brown at the other. But Brown could be moving to safety, especially if Mike Adams leaves via free agency. The Browns may be intrigued by the idea of a Haden/Claiborne combination at the corner for several years. That is one of the theories of Dan Shonka from Ourlads.
2. But this week, I keep hearing defensive end -- namely Quinton Coples. I wonder how much of this has to do with Couples having a monster week at the Senior Bowl and the fact that Jayme Mitchell proved that he was not a starter last season. They have no one else at the opposite end from Jabaal Sheard. ESPN's Mel Kiper on the North Carolina product: "Bouncing back from a so-so season, he is dominating Senior Bowl practices. The skill set is hard to look past. The physical traits and talent are there; it's more a matter of consistency. Great size and length to hold the edge as a 4-3 defensive end."
3. Mitchell played 14 games (13 starts) and had only 1.5 sacks. In his first five games, he had 19 tackles. In the last nine games, 13 tackles. He was just out there much of the time.
4. I'm concerned about linebackers, where the Browns have D'Qwell Jackson in the middle. A free agent, he is expected to be back. They like Chris Gocong on one side. Scott Fujita returns on the other side, but he will be 33 in April and has been hurt in the last three seasons. Since coming to the Browns, Fujita has played 30 games and missed 18. They do believe Kaluka Maiava is a capable starter, but I'd love to see a playmaker at one of the outside linebacker spots.
5. Some fans may be screaming, "What about the offense?" My guess is they will go offense with the 22nd pick, where they may find a receiver. Of course, it's early February, and a lot can change. But I hear many teams believe a good receiver will be available when the Browns use their No. 22 pick.
i love the idea of grabbing either coples or claiborne with our first pick, grabbing a wr at 22. if we draft coples @4 and a receiver @22 maybe we can fanagle a deal to jump back up and get minnifield next. then address linebacker and RT.
sure everyone wants 'the guy of the minute' some would say that it's RGlll (he's #15 of BPA on kiper's big board). i say give me coples and sheard coming off the ends and 2 great cover corners and big upgrade at linebacker and we're a top ten defense if not top 5.
and we all know what wins championships, don't we AGAIN!!! DEFENSE!!
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Sign Mario Williams
Sign a WR
Draft RGIII/Claiborne
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RGlll wants to be the number one pick so...............
and fuck him anyway.
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Geez... lotta hate there
And who wouldn't want to be the number one pick?
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
If we draft Coples at #4 he is going to be a huge bust. He is either A: going to be the kind of player who has a monster game one week and then is none existent the next, or B: the kind of person how legit just doesn't has a interest in playing football and will retire after only 2-4 seasons. There are several DE in the draft that are not only more talented the Coples but who actually have a consistent drive to want to play football.
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And who wouldn't want to be the number one pick?
don't hate the guy, just don't want him as our number 4 pick. if he did a brady quinn swan dive and was there at 18 sure trade a pick to get him. but once again, he's not a position of need.
and about him being number one, it's probably more his agent and 'peoples' that are putting out there in front of every camera and journalist who recognizes him. wants to be in indy.
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If we draft Coples at #4 he is going to be a huge bust. He is either A: going to be the kind of player who has a monster game one week and then is none existent the next, or B: the kind of person how legit just doesn't has a interest in playing football and will retire after only 2-4 seasons. There are several DE in the draft that are not only more talented the Coples but who actually have a consistent drive to want to play football.
If we draft Coples at #4 he is going to be a huge bust. He is either A: going to be the kind of player who has a monster game one week and then is none existent the next, or B: the kind of person how legit just doesn't has a interest in playing football and will retire after only 2-4 seasons. There are several DE in the draft that are not only more talented the Coples but who actually have a consistent drive to want to play football.
who?
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Anyway, I think what the Giants/Patriots have shown is that the two most vital positions in football are quarterback and Defensive end in that order. Being able to put good pressure without blitzing in pivotal and starts with a dominant DE. Sheard has some real promise, but obviously Mitchell isn't a starter. Offense should be the number 1 priority for the browns, and I think the FO guys know that. Whether they think Colt is actually the guy and get Richardson/Blackmon trade back for a WR, that still has to be the first pick. However, I'd love to see a defensive end at the 22 slot because this class is deep. Ingram is rising fast apparently but Mercilous (sp?) from Illinois looks like he would easily be there. Getting one of those guys and assuming they don't bust would give us a great, actual capable front line.
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yeah and if it was just as easy to sit back in the pocket all day and throw the ball to someone that is wide open with no 300+ behemoths coming at you trying to break your neck, you and rich4eagle would be hall of famers. or is that flamers?
as far as i'm concerned everyone on the browns is shit. the only decent players we have are a couple of left overs from mangini and the only good ones are the ones heckert picked. sure both super bowl teams have better qbs and wrs than we do. both have better OLs. the pass rush by the giants made the difference. imagine playing four guys on the line and everyone else back into coverage and still being able to sack the opponents qb? i think every browns fan would enjoy that. how about a running game where a guy can get a block and maybe break a tackle for a 40 yd td run? wouldn't mind seeing that either, would you?
well it ain't happening anytime soon and the qb might be a position of need but he's nowhere near the top.
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RGlll wants to be the number one pick so...............
and fuck him anyway.
I am sure there are 300 people that "want" to be the #1 pick....but why in hell does he think that he would be picked ahead of Andrew Luck.
I hope he is #1....and that Luck falls to us at #4....though I don't know why either the Rams or the Viking would not take Luck.....who cares if they both have 1st round QBs on their roster.
Luck is the ONLY guy that I would be willing for the Browns to give their #4 and #22 to trade up for.
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If we draft Coples at #4 he is going to be a huge bust. He is either A: going to be the kind of player who has a monster game one week and then is none existent the next, or B: the kind of person how legit just doesn't has a interest in playing football and will retire after only 2-4 seasons. There are several DE in the draft that are not only more talented the Coples but who actually have a consistent drive to want to play football.
If we draft Coples at #4 he is going to be a huge bust. He is either A: going to be the kind of player who has a monster game one week and then is none existent the next, or B: the kind of person how legit just doesn't has a interest in playing football and will retire after only 2-4 seasons. There are several DE in the draft that are not only more talented the Coples but who actually have a consistent drive to want to play football.
Are you saying: Hello Kameron Wimbley part two?
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@king-ghoolie-lives said:
Yep, spoken and thought just like a typical numbskull Browns fan.
Ah, who was it that made a spectacular catch and almost immediately put the Giants in FG range? Oh, yeah, I remember, it was their Left Tackle.
Offense wins championships. POINTS. TOUCHDOWNS. All the shit that shit players like Colt MCCoy, Hillis, Hardesty, Joe Thomas and the rest of the Browns team think are idiotic and unneccessary to winning.
Hey, go ahead, pass on RG3 and take some useless linemen.
Idiots!
UHM, it was the Giants defense that won them that Championship yesterday. Did you watch the game?
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After Last Night's Giants Win I have noticed that:
1. The Giants do not have 1 first round Offensive Linesman in their roster while we have 2.
2. The Giants had 3 awesome WR's while we have 0.5.
3. The Giants have 2 great Strong and fast RB's while we have 1 strong RB and 1 fast RB.
4. If Tom Brady had thrown the hail mary a little higher, the catch would have been made and the Patriots would have won. Also if Bradshaw had run the TD in the previous play, It would have given Brady more seconds to do it.
5. From a Browns draft perspective - It is absolutely vital to draft the BPA to fill in needs and make upgrades - And that means NOT drafting an Offensive linesman in 1st round to shield the Right side.
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Eli to manningham....in the clutch?
with time to check his progressions...time to throw: 4 secs without scrambling around like a chicken with his head cut off.
the other positional guys are there to let the skill position get their looks or to hold back the opposing teams line. yeah clutch catch. we could say the hernandez drop was a clutch drop too.
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That was funny ..... Maybe not if i was the owner.
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Mik.....it wouldn't bother me is we went D.
IMO the D is closer to being a decent unit. A few more top picks with the right guys might make it a darn good unit. Nothing wrong with that.
There is something to be said for being very good on at least one side of the ball, and if your team is going to be that polar, it is probably better to be excellent at defense. IMO it is easier for a O to have a bad day then a D having a bad day. Defense is largely hustle and desire, and those are two things that should never "slump".
In other words, I think it is a better bet the D is going to keep you in a game than is a O going out and outscoring the opponent every week.
Go with the odds. Build the D. A corner, backer, and DE and we have a D that can push people around.
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yeah and if it was just as easy to sit back in the pocket all day and throw the ball to someone that is wide open with no 300+ behemoths coming at you trying to break your neck, you and rich4eagle would be hall of famers. or is that flamers?
as far as i'm concerned everyone on the browns is shit. the only decent players we have are a couple of left overs from mangini and the only good ones are the ones heckert picked. sure both super bowl teams have better qbs and wrs than we do. both have better OLs. the pass rush by the giants made the difference. imagine playing four guys on the line and everyone else back into coverage and still being able to sack the opponents qb? i think every browns fan would enjoy that. how about a running game where a guy can get a block and maybe break a tackle for a 40 yd td run? wouldn't mind seeing that either, would you?
well it ain't happening anytime soon and the qb might be a position of need but he's nowhere near the top.
well it ain't happening anytime soon and the qb might be a position of need but he's nowhere near the top.
Are we talking about the Browns? I'm not sure how you watch that and not say, "Man, these guys need a quarterback." I don't know if there's a quarterback in the league that contributes more to his own lack of success. I'm not a big "big arm" guy, but when you match the lack of that with the rest of McCoy's shortcomings, it really compounds matters.
If I'm scouting McCoy from a defensive standpoint, I compress the top of the zone, and blitz him to death. His pre-snap is laughable. I've never seen a kid more surprised by guys in his face, and less equipped to do anything about it. You can blitz out of either slot at will, and he almost never sees it. He's very slow moving through his progressions, and he's way early, or way late with nearly everything. Then watching that ball that looks like it weighs 20 lbs. flutter through the air... it's just not up to NFL snuff.
The only thing more expensive and time-consuming for an NFL team than developing a young quarterback, is developing a young quarterback with serious deficiencies in his game. The Browns have a chance to cash out the Colt McCoy experiment and replace him with a complete player at quarterback... And not just a complete player, but a guy so gifted, that it's actually difficult to describe.
So, you can take the most important position on the field an upgrade it by a factor so large, that I'm quite not sure can actually be calculated, and you're not OK with that?
That's like a NASCAR team saying, "We don't want a faster engine... 'cause we've got a driver that tries real hard." What?
If you haven't run a decent race in a decade, and you have a chance to replace the engine with a dramatically better engine... you do it.
They draft RGIII, they immediately turn the most important position into a strength instead of a weakness. If they somehow fail to make a deal to get to #2, and Griffin falls to #4... run, don't walk to the podium.
-jj
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If we draft Coples at #4 he is going to be a huge bust. He is either A: going to be the kind of player who has a monster game one week and then is none existent the next, or B: the kind of person how legit just doesn't has a interest in playing football and will retire after only 2-4 seasons. There are several DE in the draft that are not only more talented the Coples but who actually have a consistent drive to want to play football.
who?
who?
Ingram and Curry both had good weeks during the Senior Bowl and both played on a more consistent level the whole week and can be had farther back in the 1st round. There is also Mercilus from Illinois who put up big sack numbers against great Big 10 o-lines, unlike Coples who put up smaller numbers against weaker competition.
Are you saying: Hello Kameron Wimbley part two?
Yes.
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