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  • K Kerrigan91

    The draft chart hasn't been altered for the new CBA yet. It's not entirely accurate. The value of the top picks have increased, since there isn't as much of a financial obligation to the top picks. It will be a couple years before the values correct themselves.

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    The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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    @kerrigan91 said:

    The draft chart hasn't been altered for the new CBA yet. It's not entirely accurate. The value of the top picks have increased, since there isn't as much of a financial obligation to the top picks. It will be a couple years before the values correct themselves.

    Why would this draft value chart be an item to even be negotiated under the CBA? As I understand the theory, it is merely an informal internal device used by clubs to determine relative value of draft pick where a trade is negotiated. Some clubs may want no part of this "unofficial" device. Why would you think it was being institutionalized?

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      @kerrigan91 said:

      The draft chart hasn't been altered for the new CBA yet. It's not entirely accurate. The value of the top picks have increased, since there isn't as much of a financial obligation to the top picks. It will be a couple years before the values correct themselves.

      Why would this draft value chart be an item to even be negotiated under the CBA? As I understand the theory, it is merely an informal internal device used by clubs to determine relative value of draft pick where a trade is negotiated. Some clubs may want no part of this "unofficial" device. Why would you think it was being institutionalized?

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      @the-gipper said:

      Why would this draft value chart be an item to even be negotiated under the CBA? As I understand the theory, it is merely an informal internal device used by clubs to determine relative value of draft pick where a trade is negotiated. Some clubs may want no part of this "unofficial" device. Why would you think it was being institutionalized?

      I never suggested that. But even as an informal device, the values are off because of the rookie wage scale. The first pick is now more valuable because it's not as much of a financial obligation, and so on down the line.

      Picks are worth more now that there is a hard rookie cap.

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        Zombo said:

        You would have to trade 1,500 Mr. Irrelevants to move up and get Luck.

        Zombo

        That brings up an interesting point: Does the NFL have a Stepien Rule? How far into the future are you allowed to trade your draft picks?

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        @the-gipper said:

        That brings up an interesting point: Does the NFL have a Stepien Rule? How far into the future are you allowed to trade your draft picks?

        Is an interesting question, but the NFL certainly doesn't have the same rule as the NBA (which prohibits trading consecutive #1's).

        Could just fall under the NFL's review of all trades.

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          @the-gipper said:

          Why would this draft value chart be an item to even be negotiated under the CBA? As I understand the theory, it is merely an informal internal device used by clubs to determine relative value of draft pick where a trade is negotiated. Some clubs may want no part of this "unofficial" device. Why would you think it was being institutionalized?

          I never suggested that. But even as an informal device, the values are off because of the rookie wage scale. The first pick is now more valuable because it's not as much of a financial obligation, and so on down the line.

          Picks are worth more now that there is a hard rookie cap.

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          The GipperT The Gipper wrote on last edited by
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          @kerrigan91 said:

          I never suggested that. But even as an informal device, the values are off because of the rookie wage scale. The first pick is now more valuable because it's not as much of a financial obligation, and so on down the line.

          Picks are worth more now that there is a hard rookie cap.

          OK, I thought I must have missed the part of the negotiations where the draft chart valuation was being discussed.

          Yes, I can understand the teams of the NFL wanting some kind of "gauge" for comparing the relative value of their draft picks

          ....but I agree, this chart seem way off to me. Even under this unofficial gauge it should not cost a team a #22 overall pick to move up only 2 slots.

          I think history would tell us that the #2,3,4 overall picks are nearly as valuable as the #1 pick.

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          • K Kerrigan91

            The draft chart hasn't been altered for the new CBA yet. It's not entirely accurate. The value of the top picks have increased, since there isn't as much of a financial obligation to the top picks. It will be a couple years before the values correct themselves.

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            @kerrigan91 said:

            The draft chart hasn't been altered for the new CBA yet. It's not entirely accurate. The value of the top picks have increased, since there isn't as much of a financial obligation to the top picks. It will be a couple years before the values correct themselves.

            good point, I actually considered this and I looked into some. The scale will probably change some but the actual point differentials wont change too much. It's true that the first pick is more valuable but so are all the other top 10 picks. It will change some though

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              chocoC choco wrote on last edited by
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              the values of picks are increased relative to real money maybe. where you fail, again, is that the chart is a tool to gauge relative values of picks with other pick. there is no fucking point system for a 50mil dollar contract as opposed to 30 million.

              is the practical value of the picks increased? absolutely. there is no reason to update the chart based on changes to the CBA, because picks weren't added or taken away. the cost of the contract (which, btw, changes every year) only pertains to pick value when reviewing the cap for room. under your logic, the chart would need updated after every cap increase.

              no wonder foreigners dont like football. damn sport is too complicated for 75% of americans as well.

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                the values of picks are increased relative to real money maybe. where you fail, again, is that the chart is a tool to gauge relative values of picks with other pick. there is no fucking point system for a 50mil dollar contract as opposed to 30 million.

                is the practical value of the picks increased? absolutely. there is no reason to update the chart based on changes to the CBA, because picks weren't added or taken away. the cost of the contract (which, btw, changes every year) only pertains to pick value when reviewing the cap for room. under your logic, the chart would need updated after every cap increase.

                no wonder foreigners dont like football. damn sport is too complicated for 75% of americans as well.

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                @choco said:

                the values of picks are increased relative to real money maybe. where you fail, again, is that the chart is a tool to gauge relative values of picks with other pick. there is no fucking point system for a 50mil dollar contract as opposed to 30 million.

                is the practical value of the picks increased? absolutely. there is no reason to update the chart based on changes to the CBA, because picks weren't added or taken away. the cost of the contract (which, btw, changes every year) only pertains to pick value when reviewing the cap for room. under your logic, the chart would need updated after every cap increase.

                no wonder foreigners dont like football. damn sport is too complicated for 75% of americans as well.

                Well, I suspect that the financial intracacies of say English soccer are probably worse than those for the NFL. Those players can go off and play on the Continent, or even here in the MLS, or in S. America etc., all while under contract with their English team.

                I also think this Value chart should be free of monetary considerations. Like I have done in my other thread...I think it should be based just on what you can project the quality of the player will turn out to be, not on how much you have to pay them.

                OK, sure, maybe in the past...or even maybe in the future, the #2 overall pick's financial package may entitle him to monetary compensation equal to the #4 plus the #22 plus yada yada yada...Who gives a flying fadoodle except the f**king team owners?

                I want to know what the likelihood is of getting a Pro Bowl/All Pro/Hall of Fame player at each of those spots. Again noting my other thread, it seems that you are almost just as likely to get a ProBowler/Hall of Famer at 4 as you are at 1.

                That is why I am opposed to spending much on RGIII to move up.

                Our #22 pick can turn into a Pro Bowler...but not if we don't have a #22.

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