Si.com: Matt Flynn Released
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If nothing else, it adds another scenario to the mix. Interesting off season to say the least.
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Can anyone here show me he's better than McCoy?
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Just to clarify, Matt Flynn was not released. The Packers just let his contract expire making him an unrestricted free agent. No team would release a good backup QB. The Packers just can't afford to pay him the money he is going to want, which is why he will sign with another team.
Just to clarify, Matt Flynn was not released. The Packers just let his contract expire making him an unrestricted free agent. No team would release a good backup QB. The Packers just can't afford to pay him the money he is going to want, which is why he will sign with another team.
So you say he's not on the Packers, got it.
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Phase one of degrading the rams pick
Phase two will be Peyton leaving
Once these two QBs are making those wheels turn the value of RG3 drops dramatically at 2 esp if washington picks up either of those two QBs
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The conventional wisdom is that Matt Flynn will go to the Dolphins, thus taking them out of any running for RGIII. That plus the acrimony over the Rams getting Fisher.
Then, in my view, it is 50/50 as to whether or not Payton Manning stays with the Colts. Assuming he doesn't is there any reason to believe that the Redskins, given Dan Snyder's propensity for going after big names, would not be a player for Payton Manning's services? I doubt that they would take on Payton and then also want to make a major trade for RGIII.
If that happens, then that would leave the Browns as the major suitor for RGIII...and would vastly lower the trade demands the Rams may want....or certainly what the Browns may be willing to pay.
Then who would be the Browns competition? Seattle? Buffalo? Kansas City? Denver? Arizona?
Could any of them go crazy and offer any package to the Rams that would trump the Browns?
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Phase one of degrading the rams pick
Phase two will be Peyton leaving
Once these two QBs are making those wheels turn the value of RG3 drops dramatically at 2 esp if washington picks up either of those two QBs
Phase one of degrading the rams pick
Phase two will be Peyton leaving
Once these two QBs are making those wheels turn the value of RG3 drops dramatically at 2 esp if washington picks up either of those two QBs
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would you pay manning 28 million without knowing if he can play again?
its not 50/50....its about 99% that he's gone.
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would you pay manning 28 million without knowing if he can play again?
its not 50/50....its about 99% that he's gone.
would you pay manning 28 million without knowing if he can play again?
its not 50/50....its about 99% that he's gone.
Except all the talk is about that 28 million dollar deal being renegotiated...so that may be a non factor. I understand that both sides would like to continue their relationship....just at what cost....and to what affect for the future if Luck is there.
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would you pay manning 28 million without knowing if he can play again?
its not 50/50....its about 99% that he's gone.
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What will truly be interesting is if:
The Redskins get Manning and the Dolphins get Flynn (or visa versa) and that leaves the Rams only the Cardinals, 49ers or Seahawks to trade with for RGIII. I doubt either of those 3 teams will be willing to pay a premium to trade within the division. Therefore, the Rams pick Kalil, and we have RGIII sitting there.
My guess is, if RGIII is waiting for us, we will trade with Seattle or Arizona for the rights to take him at #4. Trading back, and we will get Tannehill.
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Tannehill should go somewhere where he can sit behind an established QB and learn for awhile
Not Cleveland
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would you pay manning 28 million without knowing if he can play again?
its not 50/50....its about 99% that he's gone.
Except all the talk is about that 28 million dollar deal being renegotiated...so that may be a non factor. I understand that both sides would like to continue their relationship....just at what cost....and to what affect for the future if Luck is there.
Except all the talk is about that 28 million dollar deal being renegotiated...so that may be a non factor. I understand that both sides would like to continue their relationship....just at what cost....and to what affect for the future if Luck is there.
It will be interesting to see what an NFL team thinks Manning is worth on the open market- it's going to be way less than $28 million I'd bet.
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Zombo said:
That would be Retarded.
Griffin and Tannehill aren't even on the same page of most scouts. Grif is perfect for our WCO, why drop down for someone with more questions?
Zombo
While I agree that Tannehill has too many question marks and is not in the same league as RGIII right now, he has actually played in a type of WCO with Sherman at Texas A&M, and scouting reports tend to mention him along with the WCO. RGIII by any standards is not considered a WCO QB at this point, his strength in passing is the deep balls while Tannehill is considered to be better at short to intermediate accuracy...
That being said, I think its risky to even use the #22 pick for Tannehill..
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Zombo said:
Yes .. "at this point" ... because he hasn't played in the offense.
But he is the ideal prospect for it. The size, the mobility, the arm ... think Steve Young and Bret Favre.
Zombo
On the surface we all see the talent that RGIII has and expect the Browns to go for that talent.
However, the Browns and Holmgren and Heckert and Shurmur all think differently. They are all about their "system". And while it is certainly possible that they see RGIII as an upgraded Donovan McNabb who ran that system for years, don't be so certain if they do in fact see Tannehill as a better fit for their system.
In fact, I still think thay may have faith that Colt McCoy could still turn out to be a mini Joe Montana.....the ultimate WCO system QB.
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so he looked "strong" in shorts and no pressure. you know better than that couch...
Arm strength is arm strength.
There was never a concern whether or not Manning could throw under pads or pressure. The concern was whether or not he could physically throw the ball.
It's not like he's a rookie and we've never seen him play in pads before, this is a different situation. There were two issues after this surgery: whether or not Manning's arm would return to normal and whether or not he could take a hit. He's dispelled one concern already, and unfortunately nobody will know about the other until they sign him and suit him up.
Zombo said:
That would be Retarded.
Griffin and Tannehill aren't even on the same page of most scouts. Grif is perfect for our WCO, why drop down for someone with more questions?
Zombo
I'm still confused why RG3 is the "perfect" fit for our WCO.
RG3 is speedy with deep accuracy. We run next to no deep routes. We hug the bottom of the route tree religiously with timing and spacing routes, things (seemingly the only things) that RG3 stuggled with.
The only thing I can see is his speed being an asset, because he'll be running for his life unless we lock up the right side of the line.
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so he looked "strong" in shorts and no pressure. you know better than that couch...
Arm strength is arm strength.
There was never a concern whether or not Manning could throw under pads or pressure. The concern was whether or not he could physically throw the ball.
It's not like he's a rookie and we've never seen him play in pads before, this is a different situation. There were two issues after this surgery: whether or not Manning's arm would return to normal and whether or not he could take a hit. He's dispelled one concern already, and unfortunately nobody will know about the other until they sign him and suit him up.
Zombo said:
That would be Retarded.
Griffin and Tannehill aren't even on the same page of most scouts. Grif is perfect for our WCO, why drop down for someone with more questions?
Zombo
I'm still confused why RG3 is the "perfect" fit for our WCO.
RG3 is speedy with deep accuracy. We run next to no deep routes. We hug the bottom of the route tree religiously with timing and spacing routes, things (seemingly the only things) that RG3 stuggled with.
The only thing I can see is his speed being an asset, because he'll be running for his life unless we lock up the right side of the line.
Arm strength is arm strength.
There was never a concern whether or not Manning could throw under pads or pressure. The concern was whether or not he could physically throw the ball.
It's not like he's a rookie and we've never seen him play in pads before, this is a different situation. There were two issues after this surgery: whether or not Manning's arm would return to normal and whether or not he could take a hit. He's dispelled one concern already, and unfortunately nobody will know about the other until they sign him and suit him up.
I'm still confused why RG3 is the "perfect" fit for our WCO.
RG3 is speedy with deep accuracy. We run next to no deep routes. We hug the bottom of the route tree religiously with timing and spacing routes, things (seemingly the only things) that RG3 stuggled with.
The only thing I can see is his speed being an asset, because he'll be running for his life unless we lock up the right side of the line.
Im not trying to make any case for RG3, but as far as our offense goes, we really didnt see anything too complex and im pretty sure theres reasons for it. Brand new system brand new coaches. You have to learn to crawl before you can walk. I would hope to think that we have an evolution plan for the O. Give them a few years to grow together then i think we'll see more of what this team and system is capable of.
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Zombo said:
Big arm. Mobility. Smarts.
Ya gotta be mobile. Ya gotta fire the ball right where the receiver needs to get it to make YAC. Ya gotta think quick.
Watch videos of the best WCO QBs if it helps: Montana, Young, Favre, McNabb, Rogers.
He's mobile, he's smart and he can gun it ... who's your perfect WCO QB?
Holmgren made his career by developing Steve Young and Bret Favre in the WCO. Griffin has Young's head with Favre's arm and the mobility of both of them.
Coach's don't want arm strength so they can throw 60 yard bombs all day, they want arm strength because they can zip it on a line to a target through a defense. Like Favre did for 20 years.
Zombo
Mobility and smarts are the perfect fit for any system, honestly.
Griffin's arm strength wasn't showcased on any short passes. His short game was his weak point all season. His timing was off with his receivers.
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