Si.com: Matt Flynn Released
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Zombo said:
I'm guessing they know talent when they see it.
And Steve Young and Bret Favre were the ultimate WCO system QBs.
C'mon ... McCoy's not Montana and he's not Griffin and let's quit putting hope on top of reality.
Zombo
Well, that is your thinking....and maybe a lot of people's thinking....but we don't know positively for certain what H&H&S are thinking.
Maybe they have a different opinion about what constitutes a WCO QB....and it is their opinion that counts.
And let's not go Lady Gaga over RGIII. He looks good certainly.
But then so did Ryan Leaf, Joey Harrington, Jamarcus Russell, Rick Mirer etc. all drafted as high as RG is expected to be.
(By the way, there are some hints in their to some of my trivia questions)
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Zombo said:
I understand he could bust.
But if you have a chance for a franchise QB and you don't have one, you need to go for it.
If Holmgren thinks Colt McFrye is a franchise QB, he is one of the few.
Zombo
I really don't think anybody is suggesting Colt is the answer. I certainly wouldn't, but I do see a couple of potential problems with our system and RGIII. How many times was Colt in the shotgun last year? Maybe 5 times? How often was RGIII taking snaps from center? Is RGIII more effective in a system that does not force teams to go 7 in the box? Wouldn't think so. I would argue against everybody most likely that Blackmon IS the right pick for the Browns and their style of offense, and a better pick than RG3 since we get to keep other picks to fill other holes we need to address.
If Miami and the Skins pick up a QB. Grossman and probably Henne become available. Kolb may end up being available depending on what Arizona does, who else. Am I saying any of those guys are the franchise QB you want. NO. But we can pick up another solid QB and dump Wallace, fill a hole at LB, WR, Other CB, DE, and get sa solid RG/T is we handle the draft correctly.
If we only need to score 13-17 a game to win and we fill those holes how do our QB's look now? Much Better? And if Childress helps as OC do we look better too?
Does getting RG3 and losing out on filling most of these other positions with IMPACT players make us better than if we go the other direction?
Maybe we trade down from 21 to the end of the first and pick up a first next year and a second this year, and then we make a play next year for that fine QB at USC?
There are a lot of ways to go, but I for one don't want RG3 if he comes at the price we think. If the price comes down significantly then sure go for it.
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Zombo said:
I understand he could bust.
But if you have a chance for a franchise QB and you don't have one, you need to go for it.
If Holmgren thinks Colt McFrye is a franchise QB, he is one of the few.
Zombo
Holmgren may not think Colt is a franchise QB....yet, he may also not think that RGIII is either. That is my point.
Certain indicators say that our boys may think that Tannehill is preferable to RGIII.
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If we take Richardson at 4 and then trade up for Tannehill in the middle of the first I'll be pretty pissed
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No one in their right mind has Tannehill rated higher than RG3. Tannehill was behind Landry Jones and Barkley. Tannehill is a classic project QB. He is benefiting from the fact that there are only 2 good QB prospects this year. If you want to compare a guy to Jamarcus Russell its Tannehill. He's a one year wonder with only 19 career starts. I like guys who have a history of solid play. He misses open guys all the time. terrible accuracy. Go watch his film and see him repeatedly fail to hit wide open recievers in stride.
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But..but..but... he's a wco quarterback
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Zombo said:
Really? You are saying that there are indicators that our front office is actually Retarded? Because they'd have to be.
lol....ive long believed our FO is, yes.
if the walrus stays true to his past, he'll be looking for a project. he has never made a high round splash for a QB...he trades for them, but doesn't draft them. heckert, well...he's already had rank pulled against him for our current scout team leader, so its hard to project who'll get the final pick.
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Zombo said:
Really? You are saying that there are indicators that our front office is actually Retarded? Because they'd have to be.
I guess, if you put it that way, yes, there are indicators that our front office is, indeed, Retarded. They also seem to be enamored with Flynn
Fuck Tannehill. If we don't have the balls to go for Grif then get Colt some weapons and give him another year, don't spend a 1st round pick on this dude, that's just more ill-placed wishing and hoping as opposed to making a ballsy move for greatness.
OK, let's go for Grif....by standing pat. Miami seems like the current best fit for Manning. Washington can get Flynn. We can get RGIII.
Zombo
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Zombo said:
Really? You are saying that there are indicators that our front office is actually Retarded? Because they'd have to be.
lol....ive long believed our FO is, yes.
if the walrus stays true to his past, he'll be looking for a project. he has never made a high round splash for a QB...he trades for them, but doesn't draft them. heckert, well...he's already had rank pulled against him for our current scout team leader, so its hard to project who'll get the final pick.
lol....ive long believed our FO is, yes.
if the walrus stays true to his past, he'll be looking for a project. he has never made a high round splash for a QB...he trades for them, but doesn't draft them. heckert, well...he's already had rank pulled against him for our current scout team leader, so its hard to project who'll get the final pick.
Considering that the Walrus will be gone soon (either fired or retired), I hope he will let Heckert call the shot this time.
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Zombo said:
Really? You are saying that there are indicators that our front office is actually Retarded? Because they'd have to be.
lol....ive long believed our FO is, yes.
if the walrus stays true to his past, he'll be looking for a project. he has never made a high round splash for a QB...he trades for them, but doesn't draft them. heckert, well...he's already had rank pulled against him for our current scout team leader, so its hard to project who'll get the final pick.
lol....ive long believed our FO is, yes.
if the walrus stays true to his past, he'll be looking for a project. he has never made a high round splash for a QB...he trades for them, but doesn't draft them. heckert, well...he's already had rank pulled against him for our current scout team leader, so its hard to project who'll get the final pick.
Good point. Holmgren got Favre by trade, he got Hasselback by trade. He may see Flynn as the reincarnation of those two guys.
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lol....ive long believed our FO is, yes.
if the walrus stays true to his past, he'll be looking for a project. he has never made a high round splash for a QB...he trades for them, but doesn't draft them. heckert, well...he's already had rank pulled against him for our current scout team leader, so its hard to project who'll get the final pick.
Good point. Holmgren got Favre by trade, he got Hasselback by trade. He may see Flynn as the reincarnation of those two guys.
Good point. Holmgren got Favre by trade, he got Hasselback by trade. He may see Flynn as the reincarnation of those two guys.
Heckert said today that they have no plans to pursue Flynn. And why would they? There is not enough to say he can perform well. I believe McCoy will be our qb this season unless we get a good deal for moving up for RG3.
And don't dismiss the fact that maybe they really believe if we fill holes and add talent that McCoy could be the next Schuab or Matt Cassel. Somebody who can compete and win games. And if we trade back from 4 or 22 we could be in good shape to grab a great QB next year if McCoy doesn't pan out. But I still say dump Wallace and bring in somebody will Grossmann who can win a few for you in case McCoy goes down again.
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Good point. Holmgren got Favre by trade, he got Hasselback by trade. He may see Flynn as the reincarnation of those two guys.
Heckert said today that they have no plans to pursue Flynn. And why would they? There is not enough to say he can perform well. I believe McCoy will be our qb this season unless we get a good deal for moving up for RG3.
And don't dismiss the fact that maybe they really believe if we fill holes and add talent that McCoy could be the next Schuab or Matt Cassel. Somebody who can compete and win games. And if we trade back from 4 or 22 we could be in good shape to grab a great QB next year if McCoy doesn't pan out. But I still say dump Wallace and bring in somebody will Grossmann who can win a few for you in case McCoy goes down again.
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Good point. Holmgren got Favre by trade, he got Hasselback by trade. He may see Flynn as the reincarnation of those two guys.
Heckert said today that they have no plans to pursue Flynn. And why would they? There is not enough to say he can perform well. I believe McCoy will be our qb this season unless we get a good deal for moving up for RG3.
And don't dismiss the fact that maybe they really believe if we fill holes and add talent that McCoy could be the next Schuab or Matt Cassel. Somebody who can compete and win games. And if we trade back from 4 or 22 we could be in good shape to grab a great QB next year if McCoy doesn't pan out. But I still say dump Wallace and bring in somebody will Grossmann who can win a few for you in case McCoy goes down again.
Heckert said today that they have no plans to pursue Flynn.
actually, he didn't. thats the great thing about the silly season...it depends who you ask.
heckert said "no" to "going crazy in FA".....he did not say we will not be persuing flynn, as he did with manning. you heard that because you think flynn (backup QB) = big name FA (for some reason).
this kind of shit is the same exact thing the "news media" and "BSPN" do when they make a big story out of little blurbs, like the entire hillis saga, for example. people tend to hear what they want rather than hear what is said
the idiots on the fan in pittsburgh have been going apeshit due to sidney crosby saying "we'll get to sunday and see how i feel then" as "i will be returning to the lineup on sunday". its fucking nauseating....
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Trust me, Grossman isn't that guy for you. You're better off with McCoy than Rex "Fuck it I'm going deep" Grossman.
Rex Grossman with Washington:
16 starts
4035 yards
23 TDs
24 INTs
57.4 CMP%
6.8 YPA
237.4 YPG
74.4 QBR
3 game winning drives
2 4QC
6-10 as starter (.375%)
Colt McCoy with Cleveland:
21 starts
4309 yards
20 TDs
20 INTs
58.4 CMP%
6.3 YPA
205.2 YPA
74.5 YPA
3 GWD
1 4QC
6-15 as starter (.286%)
So yeah, maybe the guy's right - if anything Grossman is an upgrade.
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Trust me, Grossman isn't that guy for you. You're better off with McCoy than Rex "Fuck it I'm going deep" Grossman.
Rex Grossman with Washington:
16 starts
4035 yards
23 TDs
24 INTs
57.4 CMP%
6.8 YPA
237.4 YPG
74.4 QBR
3 game winning drives
2 4QC
6-10 as starter (.375%)
Colt McCoy with Cleveland:
21 starts
4309 yards
20 TDs
20 INTs
58.4 CMP%
6.3 YPA
205.2 YPA
74.5 YPA
3 GWD
1 4QC
6-15 as starter (.286%)
So yeah, maybe the guy's right - if anything Grossman is an upgrade.
Rex Grossman with Washington:
16 starts
4035 yards
23 TDs
24 INTs
57.4 CMP%
6.8 YPA
237.4 YPG
74.4 QBR
3 game winning drives
2 4QC
6-10 as starter (.375%)
Colt McCoy with Cleveland:
21 starts
4309 yards
20 TDs
20 INTs
58.4 CMP%
6.3 YPA
205.2 YPA
74.5 YPA
3 GWD
1 4QC
6-15 as starter (.286%)
So yeah, maybe the guy's right - if anything Grossman is an upgrade.
Because stats always tell the whole story. Rex has had a better defense than Colt and a barely better record. Over his career he has more interceptions than touchdowns, let alone fumbles lost. Rex thinks he's a QB in the mold of Favre, but he doesn't have the arm strength or accuracy. McCoy is a better QB than Grossman, and it's not even really that close.
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Rg3 to Washington now, and Manning top dest is Miami supposedly.... This deal could be coming soon. But im good with the Real Deal starting next year.
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Rg3 to Washington now, and Manning top dest is Miami supposedly.... This deal could be coming soon. But im good with the Real Deal starting next year.
Rg3 to Washington now, and Manning top dest is Miami supposedly.... This deal could be coming soon. But im good with the Real Deal starting next year.
Who's the real deal? McCoy? Flynn?
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