Derek Anderson to be on the trading block "very soon."
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Show me something that says its 14.5 mill in guarantees.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...Nfl&id=3233
If you look closely at that, I think that guaranteed money total INCLUDES the roster bonuses, which only become guarnteed and a cap hit if he's on the team at the time they are due.
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No the 5 mil isn't part of his 7 mil signing bonus. That's already been paid.
But it wasn't a 1 year deal as many hoped, it was a 3 year deal with 14.5 mil in guarantees.
So after the 7 mil signing bonus and the 1 mil in salary this season, there's another ~6.5 mil in the contract that would get paid to Anderson and applied to the cap if he were cut.
Show me something that says its 14.5 mill in guarantees. I don't think there is anymore "guaranteed" money past the 7 or so mill, other than the "guaranteed" roster bonus IF he is on the team come March 1.
Show me something that says its 14.5 mill in guarantees. I don't think there is anymore "guaranteed" money past the 7 or so mill, other than the "guaranteed" roster bonus IF he is on the team come March 1.
Once again, lummy says something without having all the facts...here is DA's contract for the 1 millionth time:
2/29/2008: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus due in March), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent
His 'guaranteed money' is:
$7M Signing Bonus - PAID
$5M Roster Bonus in 2009 - Due March 1
$2M Roster Bonus in 2010 - Due March 1
I am not sure where the other $.5M is, but basically if we cut him, he has no impact on our cap. If we keep him, he will cost us $6.45M in cap this year...and another $9.45M in 2010.
(for point of reference, even if BQ makes ALL his bonuses, he will cost LESS than $14M through the end of 2011)
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http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpag...Nfl&id=3233
If you look closely at that, I think that guaranteed money total INCLUDES the roster bonuses, which only become guarnteed and a cap hit if he's on the team at the time they are due.
If you look closely at that, I think that guaranteed money total INCLUDES the roster bonuses, which only become guarnteed and a cap hit if he's on the team at the time they are due.
If the roster bonuses are guaranteed then they will be paid to him whether or not he is on the team. That's what guarantee means. The word guarantee is not ambiguous in any way and can be applied to any part of anybody's contract and it will still mean the same thing.
By the way, I've heard that 2/3 of the salary is actually guaranteed, not the roster bonuses.
Either way he's got 14.5 mil guaranteed and he's only been paid 8. So they can't get out of the deal without coughing up another 6.5 mil.
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If you look closely at that, I think that guaranteed money total INCLUDES the roster bonuses, which only become guarnteed and a cap hit if he's on the team at the time they are due.
If the roster bonuses are guaranteed then they will be paid to him whether or not he is on the team. That's what guarantee means. The word guarantee is not ambiguous in any way and can be applied to any part of anybody's contract and it will still mean the same thing.
By the way, I've heard that 2/3 of the salary is actually guaranteed, not the roster bonuses.
Either way he's got 14.5 mil guaranteed and he's only been paid 8. So they can't get out of the deal without coughing up another 6.5 mil.
If the roster bonuses are guaranteed then they will be paid to him whether or not he is on the team. That's what guarantee means. The word guarantee is not ambiguous in any way and can be applied to any part of anybody's contract and it will still mean the same thing.
By the way, I've heard that 2/3 of the salary is actually guaranteed, not the roster bonuses.
Either way he's got 14.5 mil guaranteed and he's only been paid 8. So they can't get out of the deal without coughing up another 6.5 mil.
Believe that if you want. It will be a lot clearer by March 1st, and I'm bettin that the remainder of the 14.5 does not impact the cap.
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Show me something that says its 14.5 mill in guarantees. I don't think there is anymore "guaranteed" money past the 7 or so mill, other than the "guaranteed" roster bonus IF he is on the team come March 1.
Once again, lummy says something without having all the facts...here is DA's contract for the 1 millionth time:
2/29/2008: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $14.5 million in guarantees, including a $7 million signing bonus. Another $1 million is available through incentives based on Pro Bowls and performance. 2009: $1.45 million (+ $5 million roster bonus due in March), 2010: $7.45 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2011: Free Agent
His 'guaranteed money' is:
$7M Signing Bonus - PAID
$5M Roster Bonus in 2009 - Due March 1
$2M Roster Bonus in 2010 - Due March 1
I am not sure where the other $.5M is, but basically if we cut him, he has no impact on our cap. If we keep him, he will cost us $6.45M in cap this year...and another $9.45M in 2010.
(for point of reference, even if BQ makes ALL his bonuses, he will cost LESS than $14M through the end of 2011)
His 'guaranteed money' is:
$7M Signing Bonus - PAID
$5M Roster Bonus in 2009 - Due March 1
$2M Roster Bonus in 2010 - Due March 1
FYI I think you are showing the wrong parts guaranteed.
Here's what I have heard is guaranteed:
Roster bonus of 7 mil.
2008 salary of 1 mil.
~1 mil of the 2009 salary.
~5 mil of the 2010 salary.
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His 'guaranteed money' is:
$7M Signing Bonus - PAID
$5M Roster Bonus in 2009 - Due March 1
$2M Roster Bonus in 2010 - Due March 1
FYI I think you are showing the wrong parts guaranteed.
Here's what I have heard is guaranteed:
Roster bonus of 7 mil.
2008 salary of 1 mil.
~1 mil of the 2009 salary.
~5 mil of the 2010 salary.
FYI I think you are showing the wrong parts guaranteed.
Here's what I have heard is guaranteed:
Roster bonus of 7 mil.
2008 salary of 1 mil.
~1 mil of the 2009 salary.
~5 mil of the 2010 salary.
That makes absolutely NO SENSE...and no GM would EVER back end GUARANTEED MONEY. It is exactly what a GM would NOT DO.
So, instead of just saying you heard it...how about posting where it came from. Mine is from Rotoworld.com and they have the contract details of EVERY NFL PLAYER.
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His 'guaranteed money' is:
$7M Signing Bonus - PAID
$5M Roster Bonus in 2009 - Due March 1
$2M Roster Bonus in 2010 - Due March 1
FYI I think you are showing the wrong parts guaranteed.
Here's what I have heard is guaranteed:
Roster bonus of 7 mil.
2008 salary of 1 mil.
~1 mil of the 2009 salary.
~5 mil of the 2010 salary.
FYI I think you are showing the wrong parts guaranteed.
Here's what I have heard is guaranteed:
Roster bonus of 7 mil.
2008 salary of 1 mil.
~1 mil of the 2009 salary.
~5 mil of the 2010 salary.
I'm sure the Roster Bonus is guaranteed. If he's still on the roster. Hence 'Roster Bonus'.
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FYI I think you are showing the wrong parts guaranteed.
Here's what I have heard is guaranteed:
Roster bonus of 7 mil.
2008 salary of 1 mil.
~1 mil of the 2009 salary.
~5 mil of the 2010 salary.
That makes absolutely NO SENSE...and no GM would EVER back end GUARANTEED MONEY. It is exactly what a GM would NOT DO.
So, instead of just saying you heard it...how about posting where it came from. Mine is from Rotoworld.com and they have the contract details of EVERY NFL PLAYER.
Mine is from Rotoworld.com and they have the contract details of EVERY NFL PLAYER.
rotoworld doesn't say what parts are guaranteed.
My info is from an "inside source" as Tony Grossi would say, but it's more reputable than your assumptions.
And lemosely, guaranteed doesn't mean it's only paid if you're on the team. Hell if he's on the roster then he won't just get the roster bonuses, he'll get all 24 million in the contract.
Guaranteed means it's paid if you're on the team or not. And 14.5 of that 24 mil is guaranteed.
Feel free to consult your Funk & Wagnals dictionary if you need any further clarification on the definition of the word "guaranteed"
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OK, OK.
Pay him whatever.
Just trade him and get something besides a turnover machine.
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@shepwrite said:
Everyone and his mother in the media has reported that Anderson's looming 5 mill bonus will force the Browns to move him or cut him before then. We've cut and pasted it from a dozen sources local and national. The one and only person on earth who is covering his ears and eyes to that is Lum.It's a ROSTER BONUS. That means he gets it if he's on the roster.
hey shep go check the watercooler at OBR. The top thread. Let me know what it says.
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OK, OK.
Pay him whatever.
Just trade him and get something besides a turnover machine.
Not so fast Ocon...
What kind of turnovers does it make?
Cherry?
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I dont know about you guys but I think Kellen could still be a future HOFer even after all his injuries. We cant let him go he's a first round pick and a franchise player. Plus, him and Quinn have a nice connection.
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Rumors out of Minnesota are getting interesting. Turns out Frerrotte is trying to talk his way out of town and Childress isn't exactly giving T Jackson support.
Here is a quote from PFT:
Latest News and Rumors
CHILDRESS HINTS AT QUARTERBACK CHANGE
Posted by Mike Florio on January 9, 2009, 11:18 a.m.
So with Gus Frerotte trying to talking his way out of Minnesota and Tarvaris Jackson trying to play his way out of the starting job (again), Vikings coach Brad Childress has made it clear that change could be coming in 2009.
“It’s really kind of a whole offseason type of study,” Childress said Thursday. “I’m not going to pass judgment right at this particular point. I think with everybody here in the organization, just like we always have, is to turn over all the rocks and see what you have there. I would also say that there’s a point with Tarvaris of continuing to evolve as a quarterback, and while you’d like that process to happen immediately, it doesn’t always. But there’s not anything we’re going to leave unturned in terms of free agency [and the] draft.
“You see who’s out there, and by the same token Tarvaris is going to be here and we’re going to continue to get him better.”
Sounds to me that they will be looking long and hard at players like DA....and not necessarily at rookies.
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let me get this straight, BQ after one game where every qb who played denver had a 100+ rating and only threw one ball over 10 yards in a losing effort was enough to let go of a at least 500 qb? his other two games were garbage and he even threw a game with a lower overall qb rating than anderson....
So in a season where we saw a third string qb play for a few games we get rid of a backup because of a contract that we can clearly afford when BQ is being paid low back up money.....
That makes perfect sense. Ocon those three games were enough to bet a hundred million dollar franchise on..... Shep and company have lost thier minds and has a sample of three games against poor defenses to make that sort of conjecture. The money issue is not one considering BQ does not make starters money.
I could see trading him for other reasons than the contract, but a new head coach coming in is going to bet his first two years on a player who played 3 games against poor defenses with Dorsey backing him up or some other trade when the other guy with a piss poor defense led us to a 10 win season...... yea.
This is like when the same crowd said DA was going to be traded last offseason because of BQ and other factors... How did that theory work out?
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let me get this straight, BQ after one game where every qb who played denver had a 100+ rating and only threw one ball over 10 yards in a losing effort was enough to let go of a at least 500 qb? his other two games were garbage and he even threw a game with a lower overall qb rating than anderson....
So in a season where we saw a third string qb play for a few games we get rid of a backup because of a contract that we can clearly afford when BQ is being paid low back up money.....
That makes perfect sense. Ocon those three games were enough to bet a hundred million dollar franchise on..... Shep and company have lost thier minds and has a sample of three games against poor defenses to make that sort of conjecture. The money issue is not one considering BQ does not make starters money.
I could see trading him for other reasons than the contract, but a new head coach coming in is going to bet his first two years on a player who played 3 games against poor defenses with Dorsey backing him up or some other trade when the other guy with a piss poor defense led us to a 10 win season...... yea.
This is like when the same crowd said DA was going to be traded last offseason because of BQ and other factors... How did that theory work out?
let me get this straight, BQ after one game where every qb who played denver had a 100+ rating and only threw one ball over 10 yards in a losing effort was enough to let go of a at least 500 qb? his other two games were garbage and he even threw a game with a lower overall qb rating than anderson....
So in a season where we saw a third string qb play for a few games we get rid of a backup because of a contract that we can clearly afford when BQ is being paid low back up money.....
That makes perfect sense. Ocon those three games were enough to bet a hundred million dollar franchise on..... Shep and company have lost thier minds and has a sample of three games against poor defenses to make that sort of conjecture. The money issue is not one considering BQ does not make starters money.
I could see trading him for other reasons than the contract, but a new head coach coming in is going to bet his first two years on a player who played 3 games against poor defenses with Dorsey backing him up or some other trade when the other guy with a piss poor defense led us to a 10 win season...... yea.
This is like when the same crowd said DA was going to be traded last offseason because of BQ and other factors... How did that theory work out?
How many games did Da lose because of his bad play? And how many games did BQ lose because of his bad plays? Not nearly as much as DA. I don't care who the QB is as long as it's not DA. Worst QB ever. To dumb to play QB. All he has is a vertical passing game. Big deal in playoffs how many vertical passing teams win? Not very many.
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let me get this straight, BQ after one game where every qb who played denver had a 100+ rating and only threw one ball over 10 yards in a losing effort was enough to let go of a at least 500 qb? his other two games were garbage and he even threw a game with a lower overall qb rating than anderson....
So in a season where we saw a third string qb play for a few games we get rid of a backup because of a contract that we can clearly afford when BQ is being paid low back up money.....
That makes perfect sense. Ocon those three games were enough to bet a hundred million dollar franchise on..... Shep and company have lost thier minds and has a sample of three games against poor defenses to make that sort of conjecture. The money issue is not one considering BQ does not make starters money.
I could see trading him for other reasons than the contract, but a new head coach coming in is going to bet his first two years on a player who played 3 games against poor defenses with Dorsey backing him up or some other trade when the other guy with a piss poor defense led us to a 10 win season...... yea.
This is like when the same crowd said DA was going to be traded last offseason because of BQ and other factors... How did that theory work out?
let me get this straight, BQ after one game where every qb who played denver had a 100+ rating and only threw one ball over 10 yards in a losing effort was enough to let go of a at least 500 qb? his other two games were garbage and he even threw a game with a lower overall qb rating than anderson....
So in a season where we saw a third string qb play for a few games we get rid of a backup because of a contract that we can clearly afford when BQ is being paid low back up money.....
That makes perfect sense. Ocon those three games were enough to bet a hundred million dollar franchise on..... Shep and company have lost thier minds and has a sample of three games against poor defenses to make that sort of conjecture. The money issue is not one considering BQ does not make starters money.
I could see trading him for other reasons than the contract, but a new head coach coming in is going to bet his first two years on a player who played 3 games against poor defenses with Dorsey backing him up or some other trade when the other guy with a piss poor defense led us to a 10 win season...... yea.
This is like when the same crowd said DA was going to be traded last offseason because of BQ and other factors... How did that theory work out?
So keep DA based on his 2007 season against one of the weakest schedules? Completely ignore what DA showed in 9 starts in 2008? You know, a 3-6 record with a defense that was not as bad as the prior year, worst overall QBR of ALL starting QBs. Yep, great logic on your part.
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let me get this straight, BQ after one game where every qb who played denver had a 100+ rating and only threw one ball over 10 yards in a losing effort was enough to let go of a at least 500 qb? his other two games were garbage and he even threw a game with a lower overall qb rating than anderson....
So in a season where we saw a third string qb play for a few games we get rid of a backup because of a contract that we can clearly afford when BQ is being paid low back up money.....
That makes perfect sense. Ocon those three games were enough to bet a hundred million dollar franchise on..... Shep and company have lost thier minds and has a sample of three games against poor defenses to make that sort of conjecture. The money issue is not one considering BQ does not make starters money.
I could see trading him for other reasons than the contract, but a new head coach coming in is going to bet his first two years on a player who played 3 games against poor defenses with Dorsey backing him up or some other trade when the other guy with a piss poor defense led us to a 10 win season...... yea.
This is like when the same crowd said DA was going to be traded last offseason because of BQ and other factors... How did that theory work out?
So keep DA based on his 2007 season against one of the weakest schedules? Completely ignore what DA showed in 9 starts in 2008? You know, a 3-6 record with a defense that was not as bad as the prior year, worst overall QBR of ALL starting QBs. Yep, great logic on your part.
worst overall QBR of ALL starting QBs.
Yeah worst except for Brady Quinn that is.
Hey wasn't BQ supposed to be an IMPROVEMENT over DA? Wasn't Brady Quinn supposed to complete over 50% of his short passes?
What happened to that?
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let me get this straight, BQ after one game where every qb who played denver had a 100+ rating and only threw one ball over 10 yards in a losing effort was enough to let go of a at least 500 qb? his other two games were garbage and he even threw a game with a lower overall qb rating than anderson....
So in a season where we saw a third string qb play for a few games we get rid of a backup because of a contract that we can clearly afford when BQ is being paid low back up money.....
That makes perfect sense. Ocon those three games were enough to bet a hundred million dollar franchise on..... Shep and company have lost thier minds and has a sample of three games against poor defenses to make that sort of conjecture. The money issue is not one considering BQ does not make starters money.
I could see trading him for other reasons than the contract, but a new head coach coming in is going to bet his first two years on a player who played 3 games against poor defenses with Dorsey backing him up or some other trade when the other guy with a piss poor defense led us to a 10 win season...... yea.
This is like when the same crowd said DA was going to be traded last offseason because of BQ and other factors... How did that theory work out?
How many games did Da lose because of his bad play? And how many games did BQ lose because of his bad plays? Not nearly as much as DA. I don't care who the QB is as long as it's not DA. Worst QB ever. To dumb to play QB. All he has is a vertical passing game. Big deal in playoffs how many vertical passing teams win? Not very many.
How many games did Da lose because of his bad play?
When the Browns lose and DA is QB, it is DA's fault.
When the Browns lose and BQ is QB, it is the everybody else's fault.
This is the paradox.
This is the definition of BQ-Fags.
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