Revised Election Process
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And therein lies the rub.
Is it a polititians job to faithfully represent the wishes of his constituents?
Or to bring his own knowledge and experience to bear and decide what should be?
WSS
And therein lies the rub.
Is it a polititians job to faithfully represent the wishes of his constituents?
Or to bring his own knowledge and experience to bear and decide what should be?
WSS
It's both. How much of each depends on the representative.
But clearly, Cal is one of Sheldon Brown's constituents. If Cal wants to call Brown's office and say, "You need to do something about that stupid rule that makes it easier for big agribusiness to claim their tomatoes are organic in the same way mine are, when they're not" then Sheldon Brown should have someone listening to that complaint, and have a position on it. It may match Cal's, it may not. But this is why Cal gets to vote.
See?
Also, yes, Cal's opinions are disgusting and informed by nonsense, but he's got a right to have them, and have those opinions represented if enough people share them. Thankfully, not enough people think Obama has a civilian defense force made up of ACORN volunteers and only likes his black people. But he's an American citizen who pays his taxes. He gets a voice just like you or I do.
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Be careful what you wish for woody.
I'm all for some sort of basic literacy threshold 4 voters but I can't imagine the hell that people like our friend Heck would raise.
I get the feeling that you'd like to see what you consider to be stupid superstitious christian voters eliminated from the ranks, maybe?
Then again remember that the stupidest among us are usually also the least successful. So how do you get a round eliminating so many poor people from the voting list?
Also, and this might well have been the idea, Our system of a democratic republic basically takes any real power out of the hands of the great unwashed. The citizens are going to wind up with a little more power than student council.
As far as engineers, scientists, economists and so forth don't forget that money talks and bullshit...
For that matter you might want to make employment a requirement to vote.
Or only homeowners vote on property taxes?
WSS
I get the feeling that you'd like to see what you consider to be stupid superstitious christian voters eliminated from the ranks, maybe?
Then again remember that the stupidest among us are usually also the least successful. So how do you get a round eliminating so many poor people from the voting list?
WSS
if i wanted to do that i'd make it all about science. A superstitious Christian is in a position to know just as much about economics and world news as anyone else. They just can't think that Satan is causing problems in some foreign country of that Haiti had the disaster they did because they signed a deal with the devil...
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Anyway I think there should be some kind of IQ test attached to the voting process, where the better you do on the exam them more your vote is worth (the exact method of equating test score to vote worth would need to be tweaked around I'm sure).>>
Too bad there isn't a way to require certain qualifications prior to fathering or mothering a baby. THAT would have a direct impact on the IQ threshold, no?
Anyway I think there should be some kind of IQ test attached to the voting process, where the better you do on the exam them more your vote is worth (the exact method of equating test score to vote worth would need to be tweaked around I'm sure).>>
Too bad there isn't a way to require certain qualifications prior to fathering or mothering a baby. THAT would have a direct impact on the IQ threshold, no?
I don't think stupid people having babies has as much of a direct effect on the country as stupid people voting in our leaders. Also, you can't get involved in their personal life.
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Bunker said:
funny stuff woody, that would be as bad as when acorn stuffed the ballot boxes. the problem isn't about iq scores but how people are misslead and vote like its american idol. pre empt obama singing???? they have done studies and know how to sway people whether its racial divide and dis-content or singing lullabies. it only diverts attention away from the failures of Obama.
and I assume you believe that is only something the left does right? The right would never sway over elderly and/or stupid voters with ads depicting an apocalyptic future because Obama was president, right? Or make people think he is an evil socialist terrorist, or try to make people think he wasn't born here... etc etc
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Actually, we could go with that idea. But Republicans and the Tea Party get to decide
what the "intelligence" grade will have to be. They are the ones who know how to THINK instead
of hate everything.
That leaves out Heck possibly supporting the grotesque murder of unborn childrn, or sexual assualt of older children,
or the sending of very old senior citizens to concentration camps. After all, someone of Heck's stupidity and
rage may be capable of being the next Hitler or something. Or, is that Obamao in a nutshell?
Remember when the Germans pretended that everything was fine, while Jews were being exterminated ?
Heck could possibly be one of those, albeit modern day, I think.
After all, all you have to do is to say unborn chidren aren't people, so they can freely be killed.
And those of us who disagree with him, the same. And those old folks... the same.
And those Christians, the same. I really hope Obamaocare gets killed, before the rest of us are.
Buy guns, buy ammo. I am concerned about our country's future.
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Cal you need to learn you are just a confused, paranoid old man. No one outside of your group of old, scared conservatives thinks the way you do.
The questions would be all based in FACT. It wouldn't matter what side chose the questions because there is only one right answer.
Like I said, if I really wanted to screw the religious conservative group I'd add questions about evolution and physics and science in general. Answering "God did it" for everything won't get you very far...
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Wow. I call T crazy and he bans me. Cal calls me a Nazi who wants to murder people wholesale and ...oh, I don't suspect that'll be a problem.
It's okay, though, Cal. No one imagines you're sane.
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I didn't call you a Nazi at all, you sick, twisted American failure in your own mind.
I just decided to pay you back for trying to denigrate me several times with no ,,, or little, @@ provocation.
Read it again. I simply referred to someone with your kind of rage, etc. who might become the next Hitler.
See? If you are going to put other people down because they disagree with you, "Retarded", "diminished skills, er, mental capacity"
etc., you should have the op to look in the mirror and see what is wrong.
You and the others do it because you lost your case, and you knee jerk angrily by demeaning the others who were right.
You libs can't help yourselves. Seriously, for all I've said that you do stuff, you keep doing the stuff I said you did.
I guess every American who votes against your failure of a pres is something degrogatory with you. Right?
And every one of those millions of Americans who, for one reason or another, go out and buy guns and ammo
to protect their homes have something "wrong" with them ,too, right?
Say, that's exactly what the Soviets did. You disagree, well, you have some mental something, so they put you in the Gulag.
Look at the extreme arrogance, and violence of the brownshirts - etc. Italy. Soviet Union states. Germany - nazi's.
"brownshirts" of a different type - "Muslim" extremists/terrorists. Obamao's TSA and "occupiers" and New Black Panthers, possibly.
It's a historical trend. Sick arrogance, and warped need to control, take power, and keep power (as well as $$$$$$ like saddam and sons)...
and the only way to keep that power... is to resort to intimidation, endless written and unwritten rules, violence, and the disarming of
citizens.
It's freakin history. And a good percentage of you sold out libs NEED to wake up and start being serious with how you
see the world and our own country. History repeats itself. Is it so impossible to comprehend that it wouldn't be tried here?
Obamao is doing exactly, so far, in the direction of making people fear the kind gov he really wants to install. How far will he really go? It's a worry. We can't just sit back and wonder 'what the hell?"... for now. But the direction of our country is a bad direction.
Americans are concerned all over this country. Millions of Americans are buying guns. Millions of Americans will vote out
Obamao in Nov. But Obamao's moves to actually ENCOURAGE social racial and economic strife is dangerous.
He doesn't care. We do.
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My attitude is if you don't pay taxes and receive government assistance for over 12 months, you can't vote until you have gotten off assistance and paid taxes for a year.
People collecting the government cheese are always going to vote for whoever says they will increase the amount of cheese.
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Right ! And, if you don't own property, why should you be allowed to vote for property taxes to be raised?
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My attitude is if you don't pay taxes and receive government assistance for over 12 months, you can't vote until you have gotten off assistance and paid taxes for a year.
People collecting the government cheese are always going to vote for whoever says they will increase the amount of cheese.
My attitude is if you don't pay taxes and receive government assistance for over 12 months, you can't vote until you have gotten off assistance and paid taxes for a year.
People collecting the government cheese are always going to vote for whoever says they will increase the amount of cheese.
thats a bad idea
And Republicans keep taxes low so if you don't want to pay taxes you might vote there...
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Anyway I think there should be some kind of IQ test attached to the voting process, where the better you do on the exam them more your vote is worth (the exact method of equating test score to vote worth would need to be tweaked around I'm sure).>>
Too bad there isn't a way to require certain qualifications prior to fathering or mothering a baby. THAT would have a direct impact on the IQ threshold, no?
I don't think stupid people having babies has as much of a direct effect on the country as stupid people voting in our leaders. Also, you can't get involved in their personal life.
I don't think stupid people having babies has as much of a direct effect on the country as stupid people voting in our leaders. Also, you can't get involved in their personal life.
Where do stupid people come from? Ann Arbor?
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I don't think stupid people having babies has as much of a direct effect on the country as stupid people voting in our leaders. Also, you can't get involved in their personal life.
Where do stupid people come from? Ann Arbor?
Where do stupid people come from? Ann Arbor?
Yep, stupid people come from the town of one of the top universities in the world...
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Where do stupid people come from? Ann Arbor?
Yep, stupid people come from the town of one of the top universities in the world...
Yep, stupid people come from the town of one of the top universities in the world...
Thanks for making my point, Woody. Twice.
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