With #4 We Should Draft
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Think this will have any impact on his draft status?
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Not with us. We have our CB play in man coverage over 90% of the time, you don't need to be smart to do that. His stock most likely dropped for teams who run mostly zone or man/zone at 50/50, but for a team like the Browns I doubt he has fallen hardly at all, if any.
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Perhaps this is the scenario Heck is thinking about regarding trading down with StL: Browns trade back to 6, get an additional second-round pick, and select Michael Floyd?
Floyd is neck-and-neck with Blackmon.. and nearly everyone in the second round should start for us.
With a starting WR1, 22 should be Martin if available.. then we have 2 more picks in rd2 to find a new OG and a new LB.
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Read this on Twitter and died - "Morris Claiborne is gonna be screwed when his man says "Paper sells for 21 cents per pad. What will four pads cost?" during a route."
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Anyone else see the irony in the fact that Claiborn's draft spot could be the same as his Wonderlic score? Has to be a record (at least for a guy in the top 10).
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I don't think it's possible to seriously get a four, or six, on that test.
More likely, surely, is that they thought it was a farce, and just marked
an answer without worrying whether they read the question or not.
Surely that isn't an honest score.
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I've taken a sample wonderlic test I saw only and got about a 50%. I'm a pretty smart guy but the questions are SOOOO easy that you can easily overthink them or not take them seriously. I don't think it's a big deal.
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ESPN has sample Wonderlic questions. I got 13/15 and I am not claiming to be a genius. If these questions really represent the difficulty of the test you would have to be a complete dumbass to get 4/50 right.
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ESPN has sample Wonderlic questions. I got 13/15 and I am not claiming to be a genius. If these questions really represent the difficulty of the test you would have to be a complete dumbass to get 4/50 right.
ESPN has sample Wonderlic questions. I got 13/15 and I am not claiming to be a genius. If these questions really represent the difficulty of the test you would have to be a complete dumbass to get 4/50 right.
Yea the questions seem to be middle school level for the most part. Either he really is that dumb or he didnt care. I think the "didnt care" side is more problematic to me. To have the lack of responsibility, focus, maturity etc. to not take a 30 minute quiz (or however long it is) is really troubling to me.. How does that translate into the attention to detail needed in the film room or the practice field??
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14/15. What a dumb shit.
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Are we limited to answering the questions in 4 minutes. I thought they had to answer 50 questions in 12 minutes.
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14 of 15 & I am a high school graduate with no college.
I find it disgusting & literally unbelievable that anyone could score a 4. That is either total indifference with lack of effort or a lack of intelligence & pride. How many of you would pay a person for that? Not I.
Mike
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ESPN has sample Wonderlic questions. I got 13/15 and I am not claiming to be a genius. If these questions really represent the difficulty of the test you would have to be a complete dumbass to get 4/50 right.
ESPN has sample Wonderlic questions. I got 13/15 and I am not claiming to be a genius. If these questions really represent the difficulty of the test you would have to be a complete dumbass to get 4/50 right.
Right- 4\50 is so dumb- you can't spell cat correctly- even if they spot you the c and t. The 9th month of they year is_________ . Yarn is 10 cents a foot, you have 30 cents, how many feet of yarn can you buy? OTOH, they do throw in several questions in word association and proportional math problems that you do have to be both extremely attentive and intelligent to not screw up in the allotted time. IIRC, Ryan Fitzpatrick (3.98 GPA @ Harvard) is the only NFL player ever to ace it. Steve Young- who eventually got a law degree, scored in the mid 30s.
Are we limited to answering the questions in 4 minutes. I thought they had to answer 50 questions in 12 minutes.
fewer questions = less time to answer. Finally- MHO is that piss poor Wonderlic score will hurt Claiborne's draft status. Fer example, some teams won't draft a qb if he scores less than 20.
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I spoke with Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Harvard-educated starting quarterback of the Buffalo Bills, around NFL Combine time last year. Draft prospects were taking the Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test in Indianapolis and I wanted to chat with a guy whoād nearly aced it.
When Fitzpatrick took the Wonderlic in 2005, he got just one question wrong. His score was reportedly one of the highest ever recorded by an NFL Draft prospect.
āIs the Wonderlic a good indicator of how a player will perform at the next level?ā I asked Fitzpatrick, expecting a thorough Ivy League analysis of the test, its benefits, and the way it pinpoints the leagueās next superstars.
He just laughed.
And then he laughed again.
Fitzpatrick said that although he could see a potential connection between answering 50 questions against a ticking clock in a classroom and being able to process information at a rapid pace on the field, he wouldnāt read too much into a prospectās test scores.
āDan Marino had a low score when he took it, right?ā He asked. āI think his career turned out just fine.ā
I thought about my conversation with Fitzpatrick on Tuesday when ProFootballTalk.comās report that Morris Claiborne scored a 4 out of 50 on his Wonderlic hit the web in the early a.m. hours.
I cringed when I saw the deluge of Twitter and message board snark that followed. My emails about the news were drenched in hackneyed jokes and lazy cracks.
āWill the team that drafts him draw up the plays in crayon for him?ā One reader wrote. Quickly followed by, āJust kidding. Where do you see him going now?ā
I just finished watching several of Claiborneās LSU game tapes, and I can tell you with great confidence that he is the top college cornerback weāve seen enter the NFL Draft since Darrelle Revis left Pittsburgh in 2007. Claiborne was a better corner in college than his teammate Patrick Peterson and had better range than 2010ās seventh overall pick, Joe Haden.
Claiborne is a good kid, too. Ask anyone who follows the SEC and has had the chance to cross paths with him, and theyāll tell you that heās a soft-spoken, polite kid from Shreveport, La.
He also has a learning disability.
According to Greg Gabriel at the National Football Post, Claiborneās disability ā though not specifiedā isnāt a secret around the league. When he was recruited out of high school, it was made clear to the various big-time college programs courting him that heād need academic advisors and assistance in the classroom once he selected a school.
After deciding to attend LSU, Claiborne didnāt fade away and let the rigors of the college environment swallow him whole. He worked with tutors and utilized LSUās various on-campus learning resources to get the grades he needed to stay academically eligible and compete.
Claiborneās time in college should be celebrated. Hell, itād make for a decent movie. Local kid defies the odds, attends the stateās university, gets enrolled in the right classes and goes on to make millions starring in the NFL. Itās as feel-good a story as youāll get in todayās world of college athletics.
Instead, Claiborne is the joke of the Internet this week. Heās the āidiotā and the ājockā that couldnāt break double digits on an archaic, obsolete test that has no real relevance. Heās forced to defend himself on Twitter, as he did Tuesday, when he sent out a string of Tweets, including one that read, āIf u don't have haters u not doing something! It's good to know I do. So keep tweeting. I love it!ā
Whether Claiborne even scored a 4 is really neither here nor there, though.
The real issue is that the report was even leaked at all. Whether true or false, itās a nefarious act from an individual or individuals who clearly have some incentives to damage a young man.
Did the score come from a team that wants to draft Claiborne and thought the information would stray another team away from doing so? Or was it from an agent trying to better position his own client, potentially a top cornerback, himself? Youāll drive yourself crazy playing Andy Sipowicz trying to figure that one out.
But we should know.
We should have the name of the tough guy who went public with information thatās supposed to be highly confidential.
The NFL conducts these tests in what are described as highly secure environments. The results are not intended to be leaked. And yet, here we are today, and Claiborneās woeful Wonderlic is the biggest football headline of the day.
The truth is, Claiborneās score wonāt impact his draft stock in April. I assure you that heāll be the first cornerback taken in the draft, regardless of how he performed with a No. 2 pencil in Indy.
Heāll get over it. Heāll use it as motivation. Heāll come out angry and heāll have a fine NFL career. This will all be forgotten and five years from now, the same message board commenters that were mocking him today will be wearing his jersey and selling his game-used mouth guard on eBay.
But the slime that sheepishly ā and worse off, anonymously ā shared his score with a media outlet will never have to deal with it. Heāll continue to sit on his computer behind a desk and just know that he made a good kid feel bad today. Heāll know that he leaked a kid with a learning disabilityās standardized test score to the world without providing any of the context that should have gone along with it.
Heāll sleep fine and likely wonāt have to face any repercussions.
But I wish he would.
Roger Goodellās all about security and the purity of the game. His stance on Bountygate was aggressive and firm. If the NFL is going to ask its draft prospects to take an exam under the assumption that the results wonāt be made public, they should honor that agreement. Otherwise, why would any of these kids even bother?
Morris Claiborne could have walked out of that room and said, āIāll be a top-10 pick regardless of what I score on this. Whatās the point?ā Hell, if his scoreās going to be discussed on SportsCenter three weeks before the draft, he should have done that.
If youāre going to hold these kids responsible and ask them to honor their end of the pre-draft process, you should hold all parties responsible for it, too.
Maybe Iām getting too worked up over this.
After all, the test means nothing.
Just ask the guy who nearly aced it.
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Link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Morris-Claiborne-NFL-draft-LSU-Wonderlic-score-040312
Here is an article defending Claiborn... I happen to side with him on this. Poor kid, he seems really nice... so what if he didn't get a good grade, at least he tried...
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
I spoke with Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Harvard-educated starting quarterback of the Buffalo Bills, around NFL Combine time last year. Draft prospects were taking the Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test in Indianapolis and I wanted to chat with a guy whoād nearly aced it.
When Fitzpatrick took the Wonderlic in 2005, he got just one question wrong. His score was reportedly one of the highest ever recorded by an NFL Draft prospect.
āIs the Wonderlic a good indicator of how a player will perform at the next level?ā I asked Fitzpatrick, expecting a thorough Ivy League analysis of the test, its benefits, and the way it pinpoints the leagueās next superstars.
He just laughed.
And then he laughed again.
Fitzpatrick said that although he could see a potential connection between answering 50 questions against a ticking clock in a classroom and being able to process information at a rapid pace on the field, he wouldnāt read too much into a prospectās test scores.
āDan Marino had a low score when he took it, right?ā He asked. āI think his career turned out just fine.ā
I thought about my conversation with Fitzpatrick on Tuesday when ProFootballTalk.comās report that Morris Claiborne scored a 4 out of 50 on his Wonderlic hit the web in the early a.m. hours.
I cringed when I saw the deluge of Twitter and message board snark that followed. My emails about the news were drenched in hackneyed jokes and lazy cracks.
āWill the team that drafts him draw up the plays in crayon for him?ā One reader wrote. Quickly followed by, āJust kidding. Where do you see him going now?ā
I just finished watching several of Claiborneās LSU game tapes, and I can tell you with great confidence that he is the top college cornerback weāve seen enter the NFL Draft since Darrelle Revis left Pittsburgh in 2007. Claiborne was a better corner in college than his teammate Patrick Peterson and had better range than 2010ās seventh overall pick, Joe Haden.
Claiborne is a good kid, too. Ask anyone who follows the SEC and has had the chance to cross paths with him, and theyāll tell you that heās a soft-spoken, polite kid from Shreveport, La.
He also has a learning disability.
According to Greg Gabriel at the National Football Post, Claiborneās disability ā though not specifiedā isnāt a secret around the league. When he was recruited out of high school, it was made clear to the various big-time college programs courting him that heād need academic advisors and assistance in the classroom once he selected a school.
After deciding to attend LSU, Claiborne didnāt fade away and let the rigors of the college environment swallow him whole. He worked with tutors and utilized LSUās various on-campus learning resources to get the grades he needed to stay academically eligible and compete.
Claiborneās time in college should be celebrated. Hell, itād make for a decent movie. Local kid defies the odds, attends the stateās university, gets enrolled in the right classes and goes on to make millions starring in the NFL. Itās as feel-good a story as youāll get in todayās world of college athletics.
Instead, Claiborne is the joke of the Internet this week. Heās the āidiotā and the ājockā that couldnāt break double digits on an archaic, obsolete test that has no real relevance. Heās forced to defend himself on Twitter, as he did Tuesday, when he sent out a string of Tweets, including one that read, āIf u don't have haters u not doing something! It's good to know I do. So keep tweeting. I love it!ā
Whether Claiborne even scored a 4 is really neither here nor there, though.
The real issue is that the report was even leaked at all. Whether true or false, itās a nefarious act from an individual or individuals who clearly have some incentives to damage a young man.
Did the score come from a team that wants to draft Claiborne and thought the information would stray another team away from doing so? Or was it from an agent trying to better position his own client, potentially a top cornerback, himself? Youāll drive yourself crazy playing Andy Sipowicz trying to figure that one out.
But we should know.
We should have the name of the tough guy who went public with information thatās supposed to be highly confidential.
The NFL conducts these tests in what are described as highly secure environments. The results are not intended to be leaked. And yet, here we are today, and Claiborneās woeful Wonderlic is the biggest football headline of the day.
The truth is, Claiborneās score wonāt impact his draft stock in April. I assure you that heāll be the first cornerback taken in the draft, regardless of how he performed with a No. 2 pencil in Indy.
Heāll get over it. Heāll use it as motivation. Heāll come out angry and heāll have a fine NFL career. This will all be forgotten and five years from now, the same message board commenters that were mocking him today will be wearing his jersey and selling his game-used mouth guard on eBay.
But the slime that sheepishly ā and worse off, anonymously ā shared his score with a media outlet will never have to deal with it. Heāll continue to sit on his computer behind a desk and just know that he made a good kid feel bad today. Heāll know that he leaked a kid with a learning disabilityās standardized test score to the world without providing any of the context that should have gone along with it.
Heāll sleep fine and likely wonāt have to face any repercussions.
But I wish he would.
Roger Goodellās all about security and the purity of the game. His stance on Bountygate was aggressive and firm. If the NFL is going to ask its draft prospects to take an exam under the assumption that the results wonāt be made public, they should honor that agreement. Otherwise, why would any of these kids even bother?
Morris Claiborne could have walked out of that room and said, āIāll be a top-10 pick regardless of what I score on this. Whatās the point?ā Hell, if his scoreās going to be discussed on SportsCenter three weeks before the draft, he should have done that.
If youāre going to hold these kids responsible and ask them to honor their end of the pre-draft process, you should hold all parties responsible for it, too.
Maybe Iām getting too worked up over this.
After all, the test means nothing.
Just ask the guy who nearly aced it.
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Link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Morris-Claiborne-NFL-draft-LSU-Wonderlic-score-040312
Here is an article defending Claiborn... I happen to side with him on this. Poor kid, he seems really nice... so what if he didn't get a good grade, at least he tried...
I spoke with Ryan Fitzpatrick, the Harvard-educated starting quarterback of the Buffalo Bills, around NFL Combine time last year. Draft prospects were taking the Wonderlic Cognitive Ability Test in Indianapolis and I wanted to chat with a guy whoād nearly aced it.
When Fitzpatrick took the Wonderlic in 2005, he got just one question wrong. His score was reportedly one of the highest ever recorded by an NFL Draft prospect.
āIs the Wonderlic a good indicator of how a player will perform at the next level?ā I asked Fitzpatrick, expecting a thorough Ivy League analysis of the test, its benefits, and the way it pinpoints the leagueās next superstars.
He just laughed.
And then he laughed again.
Fitzpatrick said that although he could see a potential connection between answering 50 questions against a ticking clock in a classroom and being able to process information at a rapid pace on the field, he wouldnāt read too much into a prospectās test scores.
āDan Marino had a low score when he took it, right?ā He asked. āI think his career turned out just fine.ā
I thought about my conversation with Fitzpatrick on Tuesday when ProFootballTalk.comās report that Morris Claiborne scored a 4 out of 50 on his Wonderlic hit the web in the early a.m. hours.
I cringed when I saw the deluge of Twitter and message board snark that followed. My emails about the news were drenched in hackneyed jokes and lazy cracks.
āWill the team that drafts him draw up the plays in crayon for him?ā One reader wrote. Quickly followed by, āJust kidding. Where do you see him going now?ā
I just finished watching several of Claiborneās LSU game tapes, and I can tell you with great confidence that he is the top college cornerback weāve seen enter the NFL Draft since Darrelle Revis left Pittsburgh in 2007. Claiborne was a better corner in college than his teammate Patrick Peterson and had better range than 2010ās seventh overall pick, Joe Haden.
Claiborne is a good kid, too. Ask anyone who follows the SEC and has had the chance to cross paths with him, and theyāll tell you that heās a soft-spoken, polite kid from Shreveport, La.
He also has a learning disability.
According to Greg Gabriel at the National Football Post, Claiborneās disability ā though not specifiedā isnāt a secret around the league. When he was recruited out of high school, it was made clear to the various big-time college programs courting him that heād need academic advisors and assistance in the classroom once he selected a school.
After deciding to attend LSU, Claiborne didnāt fade away and let the rigors of the college environment swallow him whole. He worked with tutors and utilized LSUās various on-campus learning resources to get the grades he needed to stay academically eligible and compete.
Claiborneās time in college should be celebrated. Hell, itād make for a decent movie. Local kid defies the odds, attends the stateās university, gets enrolled in the right classes and goes on to make millions starring in the NFL. Itās as feel-good a story as youāll get in todayās world of college athletics.
Instead, Claiborne is the joke of the Internet this week. Heās the āidiotā and the ājockā that couldnāt break double digits on an archaic, obsolete test that has no real relevance. Heās forced to defend himself on Twitter, as he did Tuesday, when he sent out a string of Tweets, including one that read, āIf u don't have haters u not doing something! It's good to know I do. So keep tweeting. I love it!ā
Whether Claiborne even scored a 4 is really neither here nor there, though.
The real issue is that the report was even leaked at all. Whether true or false, itās a nefarious act from an individual or individuals who clearly have some incentives to damage a young man.
Did the score come from a team that wants to draft Claiborne and thought the information would stray another team away from doing so? Or was it from an agent trying to better position his own client, potentially a top cornerback, himself? Youāll drive yourself crazy playing Andy Sipowicz trying to figure that one out.
But we should know.
We should have the name of the tough guy who went public with information thatās supposed to be highly confidential.
The NFL conducts these tests in what are described as highly secure environments. The results are not intended to be leaked. And yet, here we are today, and Claiborneās woeful Wonderlic is the biggest football headline of the day.
The truth is, Claiborneās score wonāt impact his draft stock in April. I assure you that heāll be the first cornerback taken in the draft, regardless of how he performed with a No. 2 pencil in Indy.
Heāll get over it. Heāll use it as motivation. Heāll come out angry and heāll have a fine NFL career. This will all be forgotten and five years from now, the same message board commenters that were mocking him today will be wearing his jersey and selling his game-used mouth guard on eBay.
But the slime that sheepishly ā and worse off, anonymously ā shared his score with a media outlet will never have to deal with it. Heāll continue to sit on his computer behind a desk and just know that he made a good kid feel bad today. Heāll know that he leaked a kid with a learning disabilityās standardized test score to the world without providing any of the context that should have gone along with it.
Heāll sleep fine and likely wonāt have to face any repercussions.
But I wish he would.
Roger Goodellās all about security and the purity of the game. His stance on Bountygate was aggressive and firm. If the NFL is going to ask its draft prospects to take an exam under the assumption that the results wonāt be made public, they should honor that agreement. Otherwise, why would any of these kids even bother?
Morris Claiborne could have walked out of that room and said, āIāll be a top-10 pick regardless of what I score on this. Whatās the point?ā Hell, if his scoreās going to be discussed on SportsCenter three weeks before the draft, he should have done that.
If youāre going to hold these kids responsible and ask them to honor their end of the pre-draft process, you should hold all parties responsible for it, too.
Maybe Iām getting too worked up over this.
After all, the test means nothing.
Just ask the guy who nearly aced it.
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Link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Morris-Claiborne-NFL-draft-LSU-Wonderlic-score-040312
Here is an article defending Claiborn... I happen to side with him on this. Poor kid, he seems really nice... so what if he didn't get a good grade, at least he tried...
I garentee he didn't try on that test. He was probably like a lot of my students and said to himself "When am I ever going to need this in the real world (ie football)" signed his name and laid back. Remember you get 4 for just signing your name. You have to be the unluckiest person in the world to randomly circle answers and not get a few of them right.
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Great arrticle ! Some learning disabilities require a test be read to the test taker. They don't assimilate the information by reading.
But hearing it be read, they get it just fine. It's just one of those quirks.
He's a cb, it won't affect his draft status. I'd draft him in a New York second if he's the guy for my team....
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Here's a better test than the Wonderlic...
How much of the article Po-G posted do you need to copy to make a comment on it?
MC's learning disability does change things... Back to near the top of my board he goes.
And the NFL should find out who leaked the score.
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